Not Convicted? Not The Point (Updated)

This is the first time in my life – and this wish began when I was nine or ten – that I’m glad Santa never answered my request that he bring me a Hall of Fame ballot.

Watching the handwringing by the voters has been entertaining and curiously satisfying (you ignored Dale Murphy for ten years? Great – you deserve Bonds and Clemens). But one part mystifies me: The argument, repeated again and again in various fashions, that one somehow has to vote for Bonds or Clemens or anybody else because these players were never found guilty of steroid use and are legally just the victims of accusation.

Ever heard of Eddie Cicotte and Buck Weaver?

They were the only-slightly-lesser figures behind Shoeless Joe Jackson in the 1919 World Series scandal, numbers two and three in the skills chart among the infamous “Eight Men Out.”  And like Jackson, they were convicted of nothing. Not of taking bribes, not of deliberately losing the Series to the Reds – nothing. Acquittals all the way around.

Now they were likely helped in this by the disappearance of tearful confessions to the prosecutors and the Grand Jury (although technically we must call them “reputed confessions” since, conveniently or not, they did vanish before the trial). Nevertheless, all three of them (plus Happy Felsch, Chick Gandil, Swede Risberg, Lefty Williams, and the unfortunate eavesdropping utility man Fred McMullin) were banned from baseball for life without the possibility of appeal by brand-new Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis and his unilateral decision has been the rationale for keeping them out of Cooperstown.

I’ll add some numbers later to flesh this out but I think at least Jackson and Cicotte are Hall-of-Famers and I support forgiving them and electing them (and, yes, Pete Rose for that matter). Had Jackson been hit by a bus and not by a ban in 1920 he would’ve been part of the first Cooperstown class of 1936. Cicotte might have needed a couple more strong seasons to get in, but he had just crossed the 200-win plateau and the parallels to the career of R.A. Dickey are unmistakable (to say nothing of the easy comparison to Hall of Famer Burleigh Grimes – though Cicotte’s “Shine Ball” may have been illusory and he may have been nothing more than a hard-knuckleball pitcher who had finally ‘gotten it’ around 1917).

Weaver’s qualifications appear to have needed the testimony of witnesses to elevate it to Hall of Fame status. He could’ve used another five years which Landis denied him. Most relevantly he alone among the expelled players adamantly maintained his complete innocence.

From a Hall of Fame perspective, of course, it doesn’t matter. They were convicted of nothing and at the very worst it appears Weaver was guilty of not snitching. They’re not in the Hall and they’re never going to be. And for better or worse, that’s the precedent for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa – and Bagwell and Piazza, for that matter. To quote the movie nominally about Shoeless Joe, “There are rules here? There are no rules here!”

Parenthetically I don’t think any of them, Bagwell and Piazza included, get elected. There are a lot of voters and this is way too complicated for many of them to reach the same conclusions about which players get the benefit of the doubt and which don’t. The highest percentage any of these guys get will be around 51 (75 is needed). And somewhere Cicotte and Weaver and Shoeless Joe will shake their ghostly heads and say that letting mortals judge immortality is bad enough without letting them do the judging without any real rules to guide them.

Statistical Postscript

The Baseball Reference version of WAR gives Cicotte a whopping career number of 54.5, and that’s for only thirteen seasons. He is cradled neatly on the all-time list between Hall of Famers Joe McGinnity and Whitey Ford, and ahead of the likes of Three-Finger Brown, Eppa Rixey, the aforementioned Burleigh Grimes, and Mariano Rivera. His last four seasons produced WARs of 11.2, 3.0, 9.2 and 4.7, and it should be pointed out that this is a case where the old and new methodology concur. Cicotte (and if you’re wondering, it was pronounced ‘See-Cot’ with an even emphasis on both syllables) was 28-12, 1.53 in the 11.2 season and 29.7, 1.82 in the 9.2 season.

Weaver fares less well – a WAR of 18.2 (for only nine seasons) but his OPS was only .692 and his OPS+ 92. What is tantalizing is that his last season – ended when the scandal broke and the White Sox suspended them all on September 28, 1920 – was far and away his best. A man who had hit .300 exactly once (and exactly .300 at that) was now hitting .331 and slugging .420 a month after his 30th birthday. He had been getting better each year since 1917 and was wrapping up a break-out season.

Interestingly, Joe Jackson’s WAR was only 59.6 (Home Run Baker territory) but he too had really only played nine full seasons and 1920 might have been his best (12-121-.382 when his past career highs had been 7-96-.408). He hit .356 lifetime and was only 33 and his park/league adjusted OPS, 170, is tied for the seventh best all-time.

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KO again you are showing why you are a awesome writer and in my opin when it comes to news why you are this generations Murrow. This is a very intersting piece and as someone that loves history this is very facinating.
Again sorry you got unjustily fired at Current and will not be happy if you do not get the justice you deserve.
I do have to say that I think that all those guys from Shoeless Joe to Barry Bonds should be banned from the hall, but that is just me.
Again keep being yourself and you will always have a fan, meaning always be on my wall, ipod and ipad and life. Want you to get a baseball show ( mostly so I won’t have to watch cable news, or Tv reguarly, you are the only one that will get me to watch.) Other than that know that you are on to bigger and better things, love you faults and all.

wow, @- ), post more than a dozen of your demonic-lie from hell anonymously in a single page? go get some professional-help before you go Newtown. Don’t give me wrong, I’m not always a fan of any equally demonically slanderous sneaky attacker, but hi, fyi, any kind of demonically and viciously sneaky-smear-attack from hell is belong to hell only, means, your history-made balle-vidio is fake, rotten, immoral & illegal, totally IRRELEVANT to any place other than hell. My point, your demonetization-behavior is totally shameful, disgusting, should be condemned in any moral-society!!! SHAME ON YOU & your shameless-behavior!

Get off the blog. This video has zero to do with KO and do not say different because that would be a lie. Keep showing why he this generations Murrow, Now get off and let people talk baseball.

Get off the blog. This video has zero to do with KO and do not say different because that would be a lie. Keep showing why he this generations Murrow, Now get off and let people talk baseball.

Also I will always disagree with you about Pete Rose, I think anyone that is gambling against thier own team, like I remember watching in Ken Burns Tenth inning needs to stay out too. Keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me, again facinating piece.

Wow
Those are strong words, I hate this troll too, but I would not wish them to go to hell. Well I am also jewish and do not believe in one, but still, yes this troll is everything that you say, KO is good guy who tell truth to power. Keeps showing why he this generations Murrow and always will.
Again for KO sorry that you got treated like crap at Current and will not be happy if you do not get the justice that you deserve for being unjustily fired from Current. Keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me. Love you faults and all.
To the troll again this blog is about baseball, please do the right thing and leave and never come back.

Again
Moderators
Get this troll off with thier made up video that has nothing to do with KO or baseball. This troll only embarrass themselves and turns the conversation away from where it should be on this blog and that is baseball.

Again
Moderators
Get this troll off with thier made up video that has nothing to do with KO or baseball. This troll only embarrass themselves and turns the conversation away from where it should be on this blog and that is baseball.

I have often wondered where you stood on Pete Rose. Your views on Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, et al were always clear. I’m not much of a baseball fan specifically but I am a sports fan in general. I could never understand why any athlete would consider using steroids, especially after the Raider’s Lyle Alzado died from brain cancer. Then, a couple of years ago, I was on prednisone for 10 days. Only 10 days and I felt like new. That experience adjusted my views about steroids. Perhaps if they were available to all professional athletes, under a team doctor’s close supervision, then these people whose livelihood depends on the health & resilience of their bodies could use what is good and valuable in this substance. Don’t ask me how you’d keep folks from abusing them, because I don’t know. And even if this became a valid option in the future it wouldn’t excuse those who used them before it was. But it was mighty nice for my knees to feel brand new.

Dina
I think I can answer some of this about where KO stands on Rose, if you read the Big Show book that he wrote with Dan Patrick, thier a chapter or I should say a list of who KO would like to see in the hall of fame, Rose was not one of them, it was cute in the audio him and Patrick talking about it, because DP wanted him in.
I think since than KO has changed his mind and know says that Rose belongs in the hall. This how I get where it stands, he may have changed his mind about that since than. Other than that you have a very intersting and informative post.

Wow
Another video that has nothing to do with KO or baseball, just one that a troll puts up to embarrass themselves because they have no idea how colleges work. Do not say different because that would be a lie, keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come.

One can never judge but be judged. Don’t know scripture but it’s close enough. What I have to understand is that in these situations, the 1919 players were not found guilty but the accusation set such a stigma, Shoeless Joe and the others could not wipe the slate clean. And because of the outcome of the game whether they fixed it or not, left many people angry and hurt. It also left a stench on baseball.
Now for Bonds, and company it is not at all a different story. They were found to be using PEDs and that is fact. They can not circumvent that with platitudes or excuses that PEDs are not effective or are inconsequential. Bonds even stating that he thought the drugs were for muscle aches, claiming that he did not know they contained steroids is no excuse. If something is going to come in direct contact or ingested into your system, you better find out what’s in it.
But now the dilemma of people trying to nominate and fill the Hall of Fame with viable candidates have to decide whether this is valid or can be overlooked because the outcome is not looking pleasant. The reality is that these players were using and performing possibly beyond their natural talent. Which part of the player was real and which part was the drug? Where did the body leave off and the chemical take over? Do they really have a true talent or was it all chemical? The stigma is there and should be treated the same as the “Eight Man Out” team. In effect the rules are being defined as they go along.
They have been accused, but more so, they have left us wanting.

OO
Keep showing how igorant you are on KO is and also who Mathews is. I have to laugh with how made up that video is and always will be. You really are igorant that you have no idea how You Tube works, and do not say different because that is a lie. Get off the baseball blog and stay off all you do is lie about KO and journalism and truth in general and do not say different because that would be a lie. Get off the blog and stay off.

RB
I love it when trolls like you come on here and embarrass yourselves by putting video’s up that have nothing to do with KO and only show how igorant they are when it comes to who he is.
Makes me more of a fan of his and shows why he this generations Murrow.
Know get off the blog and let people talk baseball.

Mary
I total against anyone that got accused of doing steroids from joining the hall. I feel the sameway about Armstrong when they talk about weither to put him in the cycling hall of fame.
People that use drugs to enhance thier proformance should never have a honor like that, I feel the same about Rose and gambling espically because he bet against his team, that is really not worthy behavior.
This is what I believe, that is why I disagree with KO and anyone when it comes to putting Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame.

There’s a cycling hall of fame? Who knew??

Jim
I do not know if thier is, I would not be suprised because thier is a hall of fame for almost anything. Truth is I was putting up a general emphases, in saying if thier was and if they were considering Armstrong, like Bonds and Soso, ( I am not sure I spelled his name right.) I would not put him in.

OO
Again this is a made up vidoe, thanks for showing that you have no idea what fantasy is and what reality is. You really love embarrassing yourself, know get off the baseball blog and stay off, go to we are igorant about KO and truth blogs. You are not and never will be welcomed here.


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Get off the blog, with you video which describes how bad Colter is when it comes to truth and do not say different because that would be a lie.
Sorry but that is a video that describes why Coulter is no longer on the alumi at Cornell. Keep showing how igorant you are on KO and why KO is this and always will be this generations Murrow.
Get off the blog and let people talk baseball.

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Personally I do not think Rose belongs in the Hall, but I think that Joe Jackson certainly deserves it. As for Bonds, Clemens and Sosa, I am on the fence. They did break the rules, however, I have read many articles and posts about how steroids have only a slim impact on your performance, contrary to popular belief. I think that obviously more research and results need to come out before we can rule whether or not to keep accused steroid users out of the Hall. Only then will we have some rules to guide the Hall of Fame voters.

Jackson
This is a very intersting post. I agree with you about Rose, I know that people gamble and it correct me if I am wrong a big part of the sports world now, well at least in Vegas. Having said that this guy was beating against his own team, that is pure BS in my opoin.
I on the fence about Joe, he did help caues one of the greatest scandal I think and I could be wrong about this in the sport, I am really do not think that is worthy of Hall of Fame material, but on the other hand if I remember hearing right when I watched the Tenth Ending that he was set up when it came to that, which makes him a victim. So in that case he deserves to be in the hall, anyone who knows more about the sport can certainly correct me if I am wrong.

Having said that, when it comes to the drug issue, thier is one person I would make a expetion to and that comes to my favorite sport aka Tennis Andri Agessi, I do this because he cocaine use had nothing to do with his ablity to play tennis, it mostly had to do with the demons that he was fighting in his privite life which was pretty cool that he was able to overcome and have a even better career in his last years playing.
When comes to personal demons and athelets is to me understandable, but using to enhance preformce and give you a better edge than your fellow athelets no.

Wow
Video that does not describe KO and has nothing to do with baseball. Only people that do not use thier brains and logic and live in alternate realities believe this made up lie that Coulter put out, sorry both have Ivy League degrees, you just made me more of a KO fan by showing how igorant you are about him.
Get off the blog and let people talk baseball.

Interesting thoughts. In my opinion some of those men put up Hall of Fame numbers and should be in the Hall. None of those aforementioned players were caught with steroids while they were testing (read: While it was against the rules). Hank and Willie took amphetamines and The Babe never faced a black pitcher. It’s all in perspective.

Clarke
Again I get were you are coming from, but still again I think not, we should in my opoin again be encourging future athelets it does not matter which sport they are in, to think that they can use drug like steriods to get results. They should go on thier talent.
Also the Babe Ruth not hitting against someone that is black, has nothing to do with him, that was the owners of the teams at the time that were in charge of weither blacks could play. So I do not think that we should hold that against Ruth. If he did not think black and others people of color should be playing than that would be another story.
But again you do put out a intersting prepsetive here.

Wow
OO you once again show that you are beyond igorant about who KO is and even who Mathews is. This is one of the most stupidest vidoes that I have seen. Neither one of those charaters look like KO or Mathews. So the person that made this video is as igonrant as you are about this two men.
Keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he on to bigger and better things and why you have zero and always will have zero clue about who KO is.
OO once again get off this blog, this is not the we are igonrant about KO blog and want to show it, this is a baseball blog where they talk baseball. You OO are not welcomed here and need to scram. You are igorant and do not say different because that would be a lie about who KO is and just want to lie and put up made up facts about him and Mathews for that matter.
You only show why KO has zero clue how to lie and for someone who does not like Mathews you make him appealing also with your made up BS about who Mathews is too.
Keep lying and embarrassing yourself with your igorance know get the hell off this baseball blog.


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Sorry
RB but only people that live in alternate realities believe made up crap like this. You only have to have a brain and logic which you do not have to believe this made up lie. KO and Coulter both have Ivy League degrees, and if you say different than that will just show how igorant you are on KO and always will be.
You really show why he this generations Murrow, know get off the blog and let people talk baseball.

Sorry I meant we should not be encourging future athelets to be using any enhancing drug including steriods. The side effects of those drugs just scare me out of my wits, and that is just reading about the effects that they have when women use them, aka the East Germans women swimers. Which really makes me against putting anyone that uses them into the hall, I want all the these athelets to sorry I am having trouble spelling the word when they retire from thier sport.

Once again this OO is a made up video that has no truth and shows that you are igorant about what reality is and what made up is. You keep showing that you live in alternate reality and love to bash people that tell truth to power like Mathews and Olbermann. You are pathic and need to get off this baseball blog and go to the we are igorant and love to lie about people like Mathews and Olbermann that pratice something that you are igonrant about called journalism, and do not say different because OO that will be another lie. You are not welcomed here, modetors get this troll off this blog and tell this troll never to return.
Keep making me more of a KO fan and showing why I will be pissed if he does not get the justice he deserves for being unjustily fired at Current. This is a made up video OO and always will be.

Wow
Thanks for showing how igorant Coulter is about her own college, and always will be. She lied to you about Cornell and you were guilble to beleive it and do not say different because that would be a lie. Cornell alumi even kicked her out for lying about Cornell and saying that people that go to the Ag college do not have the same degree, they do and they are just Ivy League as the ones that go to the expensive side, this has shown to be made up and nothing that you say will change that. KO sorry RB has and always will have an IVy League degree, so this video has nothing to do with KO and you show how igorant you are on KO by showing it.
Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.

My point was that they weren’t technically cheating since there was no testing. If it was explicitly against the rules and they tested positive, that’s a different story.

Thanks for clearing that up, I still think weither there was testing thier still the accusations and for me, that should disquilfy them from the hall.

OO
Keep showing Oo that you have no idea what being human means, and that you are igorant about who Moore is. You really make me love KO more and more. Also OO this blog is not about Moore, this blog is about baseball.
Get off the blog OO you are not and never will be welcomed, you need to go to we are igorant about who Moore, Olbermann and jouranlist in general. Get off the blog and stay off.


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Get off the blog, with you igorance on who KO is, sorry KO has an Ivy League degree. Thier is only one Cornell and KO and Coulter both went there and they both got Ivy League degrees. KO has no idea how to lie, you have no idea what honesty is and do not say different, you just made me more of a fan, this video shows how sutpid Coulter is and how igonrat you are when it comes to facts like KO having a IVy League degree, and made up crap like the Coulter made up lie about thier being two schools, thier are not and never will be two schools, KO got his IVy League degree at Cornell like Coulter he just paid less, he even went to classes at the other school, only people that live in alternate realities and like to not use thier brains believe this made up lie, you just showed that KO has an Ivy League Degree and that he has never lied about it. Keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why you are igonrant beyond beilf about who he is and always will be and do not say different because that will be a lie. YOu make me more of a fan, know get off the blog and let people talk baseball, this video has zero to do with KO and only shows how igorant you are about him.

Spot on as usual, KO. There’s a lot of hypocrisy going on in HoFville. My ten this year are Piazza, Bonds, Biggio, Schilling, Morris, Murphy, Clemens (the Constitution says he’s innocent and I was in the Army for more than ten years defending that document) and four more that I have to think about.

OO once again get off and stay off this baseball blog, you and your igorance on KO, mathews and truth in general are not welcomed and never will be here. Go to the we hate truth and hate the people like Mathews and Olbermann blogs. You show that KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come.
You are beyond pathic that you think that a made up You Tube video and that was put togehter by someone that is igorant as you about who KO and Mathews are when it comes to telling truth.
Get off the blog and stay off, you show why I will always be a KO fan and why he is and always will be this generations Murrow. You show that you are everything that you claim Mathews and KO are and do not say different because that will be a lie. Get off the blog you are not and never will be welcomed here.


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Get off the blog, with your you tube video that only shows how igorant and dishonest Coulter is when it comes to what Cornell is. Do not say different because that would be a lie. Sorry but Coulter lied to you there is no such thing as two Cornell’s and never will be, KO has a Ivy League just like Coulter. If you say different it will just show how igorant you are on KO and that KO is this generations Murrow and has no idea how to lie and you are everything that you claim KO is, and do not say different because that would be a lie.
Get off the blog and let people talk baseball.

Mary, I know Scripture. It’s “Judge lest ye be judged.” One of my faves! Tell it all at city hall, KO! Some of these guys are dirtier than PaPaw’s outhouse, and the only salvation is that everybody knows! Here is my poem about Barry Bonds from my collection, Vivisection:

Babe Ruth’s Defunct (For e. e. cummings)

Babe Ruth’s
defunct
who used to
swing a hard wooden
bat
and run onetwothree bases just like that

he was an honest man

and what I want to know is

how do you like your brown eyed boy

Mister Cheat

RB
Thanks for showing that you have no idea what lying is. KO sorry went to a IVy League and graduated with an Ivy League degree, Coulter lied to you and you believed it becaue you have no idea what truth is and what lying is, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Sorry that video has zero to do with KO and shows how igorant you are about how colleges work which does not suprise me.
Keep showing how KO has zero clue how to lie and you have zero clue what truth means and do not say different because that would be a lie. Now let people talk baseball and go to we are igorant about how colleges and believe every lie out of Coulter’s mouth blogs, sorry this has nothing to do with KO and you showing it shows how igonrant you are when it comes to colleges and KO.

Patricia
I with you on this one, I do not think that Bonds and Soso belong in the hall. If you cheat to get an advantege, then you do not get the honors that they hall brings, beacuse you did not play fair to get that achivement.

Happy Hanukkah, history! Happy Winter, too! :)

Wow
Once again keep posting a made up video that shows how igorant you are and the person who put this together is. Those two people do not even look like Mathews and KO, and they do not even sound like them. That is how igorant you are about who KO is. OO get off and stay off the baseball blog.

Moderaters
Please remove all of OO’s posts and tell OO that they are not welcomed here and that this is called a baseball blog, you can remove mine why you are at it. OO this shows me how igorant you are on KO, you cannot even put up videos that have KO and Mathews actually voices and do not say different because that is a lie. Keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and embarrassing yourself on that one. Get off the baseball blog OO and stay off.

Get off the blog, you just show that you have no idea how colleges work and show that KO did graduate with a Ivy League degree, go to we are igorant about who KO is and want to show it blogs, all you do is show that you are everything that you claim KO and others to be. You show why he this generations Murrow and why he will around for years to come. Sorry this video shows how igorant you are, it has nothing and never will have anything to do with KO. Get off the blog and let others talk baseball.

Thanks and a Merry Christmas to you, I hope where you live you are at least getting snow. One of the things I hate about leaving in Austin we barely see snow in the winter, and I love cold weather.
Again KO that was a great article.

Hey, I am right next door to ya! Cold, but no snow! Whee!

Thanks for saying that, I was born in Texas, but I was thought that I should have been born North because I love cold weather, got my mom’s cold waether genes, she was born and raised in KO’s home state of New York. O well, I not happy with the MLB, want them to put the vidoe out of KO doing Clubhouse Confedential that he did yesterday, aka Friday. Want him to have a baseball show, because I would love it. Again will follow him anywhere as long as he is himself.

I think you can count on KO being himself. If that is your Christmas wish, it is coming true! Listen for a bell to ring when he gets his angel wings! ;) Hugs.

OO
This is not baseball, this is a made up video that has no truth to it, and only shows that OO has zero clue who KO is and who Chris Mathews is and only embarasses themselves with thier igonrace. Get off the blog OO, you only make me more of a KO fan and show that OO is everything that you claim KO is and Mathew are, and do not say different because that will be a lie. Get off the baseball blog.

This blog OO is about baseball.
Moore has nothing to do with this blog. Also again this is a made up video that has no truth in it. You love to show how igorant you are on every subject and do not say different because that will be a lie. Get off the blog and stay off.


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Get off the blog with your made up You Tube videos that have nothing and never will have nothing to do with baseball or KO. Do not say different becaues that would be a lie. Get off the blog and stay off.

All of this troubles me far more than it should, since we have better and bigger issues to worry about even within baseball! But here goes.

First, if Rose bet against his team as a player, he sure did a fine job of faking effort. A hall of fame without the all-time leader in hits is not a hall of fame. He should be in, and not because he’s a lovable human being.

As to the steroid users and rumored ones, no one has banned them. Perhaps Bud Lite should follow in the footsteps of Kennesaw Mountain Landis, but that would be, to invoke John Quincy Adams, referring to a cockboat in the wake of a man o’ war.

So then we come to the next question: what about their competition? I don’t want steroid users in the hall of fame, but the ones mentioned above are not the only ones who used or are rumored to have used. Before Jackie Robinson, it was the competition of white vs. white. For the next 29 years, it was non-free agents vs. non-free agents. Since 1969, we’ve had divisional play and more recently interleague play. Since 1973, the American League has refused to play baseball, instead using a designated hitter. Does that affect pitching? You bet your life it does. It seems to me that if we say THESE stars of the steroid era can’t get in, then what do we say about the people who didn’t use? Do we recalibrate their statistics? Do we wonder whether those with lesser numbers used steroids but didn’t have enough talent for them to be of any help?

In the end, without Rose and, yes, Shoeless Joe, and these folks, we have a hall of fame that brings to mind a line from Jon Miller–yes, the second greatest baseball broadcaster now working. He said it’s like the photos of the Chinese communist leaders where Chairman Mao is in there and then he’s not. I think we should be better than that.

I agree with you all the way, that is why I love him, that is a great hoilday or I should say Hanukak wish you me. I know that he on to bigger and better things, hope it is a baseball show. I still not happy with MLB network for not putting up the video of the episode that he was on the Clubhouse Confedential. I hope that they do soon, he is so great doing baseball, could watch him do anything, sorry again that he got treated like crap at Current. Will not be happy if he does not get the justice he deserves.
Patrica I hope you and all the other blogger here have a great Christmas, I also hope that KO has one as well. Again KO keep being yourself and you will always have a life long fan in me, love you faults and all. YOu really are this generations Murrow.

RB
Thanks for making me more of a KO fan and showing why he this generations Murrow. This is a baseball blog that KO started so people can talk baseball and I can listen, you are not welcomed with your made up spam, that has zero truth and do not say different becaues that would be a lie, know get off the blog.

I have to agree with you Patrica on all of that.

OO
Again get off this blog with your igorance and your made up videos, that are as igorant as you are on KO and Mathews. You show why KO is this generations Murrow and do not say different because that is a lie.

RB
Thanks again for showing how igorant you are on KO, again this video has nothing to do with KO and also nothing to do with baseball and do not say anything different because that would be a lie. Get off the site and let people talk baseball.

Sorry I meant Michael I agree with you on all of this. Sorry did not see who was blogging. Been a long day.

Again
OO this blog is what is know to people that live in the real world called baseball, KO started it because he loves baseball and always have. This OO is a made up video that has zero to do with Mathews and KO, I have to laugh that you think that this shows who Mathews and KO are, it does not it shows why you are everything that you claim KO and Mathews are. You again only embarrass yourself with your igorance, get off the blog and let people talk baseball, you are not and never will be welcomed.

Wow
Again this is a baseball blog, not we are igonrant about who Micheal Moore is blog. Get off the blog and stay off. Go to the we are igorant about Moore and KO and everything in general blogs, you show that you really are everything that you love to say KO and others are. Get off the blog you are not welcomed.

RB
Go away, This has nothing to do with KO or baseball. RB this is what is known as a baseball blog, go to the we are igorant about things blog. Get off and stay off.
KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me.

Dale Murphy? Meh. I certainly wouldn’t boycott The Hall if he made it in. But if he never makes it in, I’m certainly not boycotting either. Otherwise, I mostly agree. But some of the Roid Rage Krew will make it on soon enough. Within 10 years, one of them goes in, then most of the others eventually.

RB
Thanks for showing how igorant you are about KO, thier are no two Cornells and never will be, that is a lie that is put out by Coulter who got kicked out of the Cornell alumi for bashing the college like that, and do not say different because that will be a lie. Go to the we are igorant about KO and other things blog and let people here talk baseball.
Keep making me love KO more and more that is what this post is doing.

What will, untimately, be the criteria? Are a player’s accomplishments, earned fairly on the field, the final word? Plenty of not-very-good-people have played this game.

Again
RB you put a video that has nothing to do with KO and also shows how igonrat you are about who KO is. Go away and let people here talk baseball. All you do is make me more of a Olbermann fan and show why he this generations Murrow. You are not welcomed here.

LOL! Producer of Parks and Recreations, Michael Schur chooses superpower, talks about steroids, and makes his baseball hall of fame picks! http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40780462/

Again
This is not a video about baseball or KO, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Get off the blog and let people talk baseball.

Interstin article, is all I can say.

Once again Modertors,
Take away OO’s posts and prevent OO from every coming on this blog again. OO go to the we are igorant about Mathews and KO blogs and stay there, you are not welcomed here, KO keep being yourself and keep showing why OO is everything they claim you are. Again care crap about your personality and sorry you got abused at Current and will be pissed if you do not get the justice you deserve for being unjustily fired from there, keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life, love you faults and all.
OO get off the baseball blog and stay off.

An information that we need.

This is not a Moore blog, or more importantly we are igorant and love about who Micheal Moore is blog. This OO is and always will be a baseball blog, get off and stay off, you are not welcomed here with your made up BS video’s and that OO is all that they are, and do not say different because that will be a lie. You really make me love Moore and KO more with this BS post that shows that you have no idea what honesty is and do not say different because that would be a lie. Get off the blog and stay off.

If you are talking about the baseball that KO put out, than yes, if you are talking about the made up video that has no truth in it and just shows how igonrant OO is about Mathews and KO and always will be and OO do not say different because that would be a lie, than no that is not informative, that is just a troll showing that they are everything that they claim KO and know Mathews is, and that they are igorant about jouranlism and truth in general.
KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me.

Does this place even have moderators? Someone leaves an obnoxious annoying and false video like 10 times and he is not banned? Ridiculous.I would have banned after the first one. Get this jerk gone.

Scott
Trust me, I would have also and I pretty easy going. I want this person out just like everyone else, and I mean it and always will. I love KO and always will, but I love hearing people talk baseball here, I learn alot about the sport and even have fun, I know that I would be there if KO had a baseball show, and actually want him to have one. I will always say that the moderators need to tell this troll that they are not welcomed and that need to leave.
They need to go to the we are igorant about truth and jouranlism websites and this troll better not say different because it would be a lie.
Again this is a baseball blog, meaning you come here and talk baseball and I can listen and learn, so again to the modertors tell the trolls that they are not welcomed and to get out and stay out.

Again Moderatros
Get OO and any other trolls off this blog, they are not and should never be allowed to post made up crap and BS like what OO posted, and OO or BY or who every do not say different because that would be a lie. Ignore thier compliants, this blog does not protect thier free speech and never will be.

Again Moderators,
Tell the trolls to stay off the blog with thier igorance about who KO is and info in general and trolls do not say different because that would be a lie. This is a blog that talks about baseball, not the we love to show how igorant we are on Moore and KO and other subjects.
Your free speech is not protected here, so get off the blog and let people talk baseball.

Also for everyone else, hope you guys had a great christmas and great New Year, and I hope to be listening to the baseball that is talked about here.

Again Moderators,
Can you please get the trolls off this blog, I do not care if you get rid of my posts, I just want people to be able to talk about and let me listen to a sport that people love including KO.

Wow
I love trolls that love to show that they love to support hate and intolerance and do not say different because that would be a lie. You just make me love and respect KO more and more, and show how KO got unjustily fired.
Keep showing that T has no idea what tolerance is.
Now get off this blog and let people talk baseball.

Sorry meant now get off this blog and let people talk baseball.

Again moderators please get this trolls get off the blog and let people talk baseball.

I have three Letters to the radio announcer that called the Merkle game- as will as the “longest count down” fight. Dempsey/ Tunney.
Interested? Email me/

They need to go to we love hate and intolerance blogs, because T just showed that is all they know how to do, but again I will repeat love that T shows me that KO knows what being human is and what tolerance means and makes me proud to always be a fan.

That sounds pretty intersting to me at least, I would probably think that KO would like the ideal.

Props for mentioning Buck. Another intangible is he’s the third baseman on Ty Cobb’s all-time team. John McGraw also called him the best third baseman of the era and had hoped to get him via trade if Comiskey decided to get rid of the 8 and Landis had allowed them to play. At 30 he had at least five more seasons ahead of him and he had enjoyed break out hitting year in 1920.
The more that comes out, the more it seems he was no more guilty than Comiskey, Gleason, Schalk and most of the other guys on the team. He knew something was amiss from the beginning but he wasn’t sure exactly who had agreed to the fix and who hadn’t. Except for Gandil, Risberg, Cicotte and Williams it wasn’t easy to tell by the results. Even Abe Attel said more than once that Buck Weaver should be reinstated, that he was not a part of the fix. A claim he never made about any of the others.

Thanks for the intersting info.

My contempt for the Baseball Writers Association of America is no secret among my fellow baseball geeks. But contempt requires at least a modicum of respect. No more.
Here’s the fun part: with no living, breathing inductees–a former player, owner, and ump, all deceased, are the only ones to be inducted–who’s gonna turn up in Cooperstown or even watch on TV? (Man, the HoF museum folks must be pissed as all get out.) So, they’re going to re-honor Lou Gehrig and Rogers Hornsby and a host of others under some pretext. No, thank you.
Put aside the PED suspicions of Bonds, Clemens and the bullshit guilt by association that’s keeping Bagwell out; jerk Morris, Trammell, etc. another year; fine, OK. But there is NO valid excuse for Biggio and Piazza not being inducted this year. Disgraceful.
Sending in any empty ballot has consequences, namely to the players lacking in percentages to get in to the Hall. This is what I’d like to see come from this debacle:

a) voting privileges revoked for anyone who sends in an empty ballot; and

b) HoF inclusion to be decided not only by the BBWAA but a committee including HoF players, respected baseball journalists and even fans.

Bottom line: in light of current developments, to continue to leave this great responsibility in the hands of the petty, disgraceful, sanctimonious BBWAA is no longer feasible.

Like it or not, Baseball was resurrected by the so-called steroid era. (To Selig’s credit he hasn’t been too hypocritical about it, as far as I can tell.) I was married at the time of the McGwire-Sosa HR race and my-then wife–a native of Argentina, where they know diddly squat about baseball–was so into it she bought me a Sosa Cubs jersey (which I still own and occasionally wear).
As for the writers, despite all their access, not one said a word while it was going down. Which means a) they looked the other way; or b) they are inept. Neither one looks too good on the resume. Yet, now they are trying to be all high and mighty. Which is why I say to them, fuck you and the hypocritical, sanctimonious horse you rode in on!

Wow
Let’s go to a duo that is as igorant as you are when it comes to truth, and like you loves to defend people that lie and use hate speech. Keep showing how igorant you are on KO and Moore, and jouranlism in general.
Also this V has nothing to do with baseball, get off the blog and stay off.

Wow
V
This has zero to do with baseball, and this duo again is one that has no idea what honesty and truth are, and like you hate when people like KO and others tell the truth, or as people that live in the real world put it, tell truth to power. Keep showing why I like Moore and making me like him even more.
Get off the blog and let people talk baseball.

Also V
YOu just showed why KO is this generations Murrow and made me love him more and more. Keep it up, Sorry that you got treated like crap at Current and will not be happy if you do not get the justice that you deserve. Love you faults and all. As long as you are you KO you will always have a fan in me.

This has nothing to do with KO or baseball.
Also how does this make Obama look bad. RB get off this blog and stay off, unless you are talking baseball you are not welcomed.

Again this has nothing to do with KO or baseball. It has no relevence here. know get off the blog and stay off. Go to we are igorant about crap club. You really show why KO is this generations Murrow.

Wow
You show that you have no idea what facts are and what opins are, neverless what truth is.
KO RB was somehting that you have never heard off and that was that he was unjustily fired at Current. Here is what happened What in the world are you talking about, what does this have to do with cheating on taxes. You really show that you did not read what LB had to say. Also KO is not a tax cheat that was what people in the real world call lying, here is what happened OW is not a legit website. Sorry meant on the tax that judges that have told him he did not have to pay, to extensions that happen all the time that gave KO more time to pay, showing that KO always follows the law when it comes to his taxes. It really made me laugh because I know that I am bad at math and I could read that stuff that OW was putting out and see that KO was paying his taxes and that he was just doing what normal people do all the time, stuff that my dad who is a account has helped people out with, including the story that OW was making a deal about. That is how dishonest this website is. Also they never have sources to back stuff up that is said, or it from other uncredible websites like newsbusters with alot of gossip sites. They only show that KO has no idea how to lie and be hateful, and all that webiste can do is hateful and dishonest. So Nick sorry but if it from OW I know that it is a lie and not to believe it, they always show why KO is this generations Murrow and just how principled he is. By that story got debunked, the only site that was talking about it OW which is not a legit site and even than a fan was able to debunk it, do not put what OW said beause that has been debunked. KO was never in trouble with the IRA, also here it about Cornell eep basing KO, I read those emails and I have to laugh that you think that shows that KO broke the contract or that he was the bad guy of all about ego. I would be angry if people were banging trash cans when I was doing a show, I would be pissed if I was about to do a show and people where trying to take photos of me, wow these emails Science is what reasonable people will call reasonable complaints, also where was KO threatening staff and bashing people, I can see why KO would come close to thorwing something. You show that KO temper was not the problem, I want to laugh that Current thinks that this shows that KO was dangerous, this shows just how frustrated KO was with a studio that was falling apart. The emails at the top show that KO had everyreason to throw something, I would be at the point of throwing something if I was dealing with people interupting me during a show, and people thinking that it okay to take a picture before a show is about to begin. You still have not shown proof that KO’s all about ego and that he has a bad personality, you have not even shown that KO broke the contract. All you show me is that I am right when I say that Current broke his contract. Science Current stated fully well when they say that they deal with business, that means that they have to fix problems like sets and making sure that Countdown runs smoothly, anyone with a brain Science which once again you show that you do not use, can see that banging trash cans is not expectable when a show is in progress, that person should have waited until Countdown was finished to do that, also any person with a brain that unlike you they like to use, knows that taking pictures right before a show and without a persons permission is anyiong and KO has every right to be upset at that stuff, and again this is if I believe that KO actually throw a mug because I have never seen him with a glass mug, also the fact that the satlite feed had broken and that KO was not getting the right info before a show, again I know that I would be at the point where I would want to throw something. All these emails show that not only was KO dealing with imcomptent bosses, but also imcomptent staff that did not want to do thier jobs but only complain. You prove me right when I said that all Current has are whinnie emails that show that Current is not responsible for thier behavior and showing that they are everything that they claim KO is. Keep showing how Current broke KO’s contract and how KO was unjuistily fired. Keep showing that you do not like to think things through. KO dealing with set problems and people who think it okay to do noise during a show and want to take photos before a show is on without asking permission which they have to ask before taking a picture that is not what ego and a guy that has a bad temper looks like. That is what a person that under stress with having to work with imcomptent people that do not want to do thier jobs looks like. Keep lying about what happened at Current and showing that you have no idea what a person with a bad temper and all about ego looks like. Those emails just make me feel sorry that KO had to deal with people that unlike him do not want to act professional and do thier jobs and do not want take responsibity for thier mistakes. These emails make me hate Current and show just how irresponsible and unprofessional that company is. The person emailing about throwing should have been more upset like I was that tenichal problems were still going on. Thanks for making me love and respect KO more and hate Current more and more, and showing that Current is the bad guy and once again showing that KO’s ego had nothing to do with why he not at Current and that his personality is not why he got fired. You keep loving to show how KO got unjustily fired. Wow I want you to work with all that those emails where complaining about and than see if you would be at the point of wanting to throw something, I know that I would, this email shows how much stress KO was under for dealing with stuff like banging trash cans and pictures being taken before shows without permission which anyone Science weither you are celebrity or not would want, and tenichal problems that show just how irresponsible Current is and how they are everything that they claim KO is, and that they never lived up to thier end of the bargin from even what they say thier responsiblity is. KO again will be pissed if you do not get the justice that you deserve for being unjustily fired. Keep showing how Current broke the contract that is all those emails show, and they prove my point that all Current’s proof is whinnie emails by people like mangement did not want to do thier jobs and take responsibility for thier mistakes and the stress that KO had to deal with, they just make me feel bad for KO and make me want to yell at Hyatt to stop lying about what happened and tell the truth that they not KO broke the contract and that they only cared about taking KO’s audience and money and that they lie about being progressive and that they care nothing about the cause and that they are just as hypocritecal as Fox and that they need to go away. These emails make me want KO to sue for all that Current has and take this hypocritcal dishonest network out. KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me, love you faults and all. Science keep putting post that show that KO’s ego and personality had nothing to do with what happened at Current and that he was unjustily fired there. Sorry but you will never show me that KO the bad guy because thier is no evidence that person that uses common sense and his brain that shows that KO the bad guy. Scince unless you are in KO’s case and dealing with what he had to deal with you cannot say that KO the bad guy, because you do not know what you would do in his place, I am not violent but if I where in KO’s situtaion I would be at the point of throwing something. That is why I know that had nothing to do with temper and had all to do with the stress of having to do mangements and his staff’s job, because he the only responsible professional there. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more and making me hate KO more and more that is all you know how to do. You love to show how Current broke that contract that you do not know what stress is and what temper is. Science this is not diva behavior not wanting noise when you are doing a show is what professional responsible people would be upset about because it what you have never heard of dinstracting, same with taking pictures without permission not only is distracting but disrespectable too, KO should have been upset when these things were done, I know that I would be. Also I question if that mug story is even because me and I know others that watch Countdown never saw KO use a glass mug and it very noticlble the mug that KO uses and they are all ceramic. So keep lying about KO that is all you know how to do. YOu just make me love and respect him more and show that KO has no idea how to be a diva and be all about ego. You really are pathic. Wow KO got a Ivy League degree keep showing BY how igorant you are about KO, sorry KO paid his taxes. Thier is no evidence otherwise the OW stuff was not true. KO keep being yourself and you will have a fan in me.
By history on November 27, 2012 9:00 pm -
“Who the hell is BB?”
OO
bathtub boy is not KO, that is Gibbson or more important a made up story about KO that was debunked because Gibson could not handle that KO did not want to cover MOnica Lewensky scandal. Thanks again for showing your igorance on KO. That is not KO’s nick name and never wil be. Just a another bashing by Gibson.
By history on November 27, 2012 10:44 pm – Reply
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Wow
You are always good for a laugh with your made up crap about who KO is and your embarrassing made up posts that show your igorance on KO.
Again OO leave this blog and let people talk baseball, you are only ruin it. Keep up the bashing and the igorance, you really show that you have zero clue what a human is.
By history on December 11, 2012 1:48 am -
Thad
KO does not have a show right now because Current a broke his contract or I should say decided to hire him to get progressives on, but that was it, they promised him to be news cheif and than hired Brohem was lied to him about it being a title aka the Cenk incident. They got on his case for doing what any broadcaster would do when they have a thorat infection, showing me that they care nothing about him. He will be back, he has no idea how to burn bridges so never listen to people who say that it a made up talking point and always will be. It his decision of weither he wants to do news or sports or even if even wants a show. So he never gets one that is because he did not want one and is done with television. I do not think that he done and look forward to future projects. May take a while because he might be pick about what put in and what is promised understandable with how Current treated him. Will not be happy if he does not get the justice for being unjustily fired from there. Current is no way in my view a progressive channel and never will be. KO again keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me, love you faults and all.
By history on November 27, 2012 5:26 pm – Reply
Wow
KO has never been fired from ESPN and MSNBC that has been debunked over and over again. Once again OO you show that you are igorant on the difference between being fired and quiting, OO what part of you do not do last shows and get a salary if you get fired, here again is KO’s job history because you love to get this one wrong. Again OO that is a made up talking point by you and others that have zero clue about who KO is, let me explain, Paul again you seem to love to write the most stupidiest post that I have every heard of. So in our world because a company is small and claim that they are progressive that means that they can treat thier employees like they did with KO like crap and I should just be on thier side because they are suppose to have the same idology. That is beyond the most stupidest crap that I have heard of in me my life. First Paul you cannot refute like Current could not why KO got unjustily fried and abused here it is again I love KO and why his personality had zero to do with what happened at Current, that article even tells about Hyatt and AIDS aka firing someone with AIDS and you want me to believe KO’s the bad guy. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more and show that all you wnat to do is bash him and put up gossip articles that can easily get refuted, you also do not get what I do about KO is that he a professional and someone that is not afraid to stand up for what he believes in which is what mangement hates about him and why he has a hard time with them, it what people love, keep lying about KO that is all you know how to do, you keep showing why I am a fan and always will be. Jack you also show why KO got unjustily fired from Current you have no evidence that KO is unemployable, only a gossip site by mangement that for the first two aka MSNBC and Fox are hypocritical and includes Current, and one with someone who has just as bad a reputation as KO suppose to have, and who wants to still get on KO’s case about something that he apologized for showing that she has zero crediblity and sounds like it just a revenge post. KO keep being yourself again will be pissed if you do not get the justice for being unjusticly fired from Current. Jack why does KO been in this industry for 33 years if he so unemployable that is how BS your argument is. KO keep being yourself and showing off your great personality and showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come, keep being yourself KO and you will always have a fan in me, again Current needs to stop lying and tell people the truth that your personality and ego is not why you got fired and that you work fine with others, Hyatt needs to explain why he and Brohem thinks it okay to make thier broadcating stars to work with a throat infection, that jack shows that Current never cared about KO, just like MSNBC who wants to re-write history and is okay with people that speak at partisain events and other employers doanting but KO the bad guy, that he unbelieveable MSNBC is on that topic. All that shows jack is why I do not watch Current and MSNBC and how dishonest those mangements are. You really love to show that KO works fine with others. KO keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life and why you got unjustily fired from Current. jack you just make me love and respect KO more and more with your BS crap about who he is. Jack thier is no and you just showed once again there is no evidence that KO personality was what got him fired. Keep lying about KO and showing that KO has zero clue how to lie and that you Jack have zero clue how to tell the truth about KO and his past employment. KO love you faults and all. Here is KO true oo job history not your made up debunked version Mike thanks for showing me that you are beyond ingorant on KO’s job history. KO Mike was never fired from MSNBC or ESPN, also Mike KO was rehired by both of those companies, wow some bad personality there, Mike do you live in alternte reality, Mike you do not do last shows which KO did at both MSNBC and ESPN if you been fired. KO and even MSNBC have said that KO quit, he even got his salary that also Mike does not happen when you are fired. So no Mike he has no history of being fired by every employer that is pure BS and again has been debunked. He only be fired from Fox and that was for reporting the truth and Current and that was unjutily because they promised him the moon and never delivered. Also MIke he did not leave for the same reasons, you really hate listening to facts. ESPN he left because he and his bosses could not agree on a new contract, he wanted to go to New York, they wanted him to stay in Bristol, the reason he left the second time was that Patrick had quit ESPN and thier was nothing that he really did, so no ESPN had nothing to do with KO working well with others and personality and ego, so wrong there. MSNBC he left first time because he hated doing repaeted news of Monica Lewinsky, they sold him to Fox Sports, Fox is where he got blackmailed and fired for reporting the truth about Murdoch and the Dogers. So wrong there Mike, MSNBC a second time he left because a they scwered him over on campaign crap and he felt that they were taking creavity control away, again had nothing to do with personality and ego. So Mike you just again show how ingorant you are on KO. KO personlity again is not the reason he got fired at Current, again I care crap about that Mike, and I looked at the evidence thier is no proof Mike that KO broke the contract, none, zipo. Keep embarrassing yourself with made up debunked crap. I do not listen to people who are beyon igorant of KO’s job past espically ones that put out that debunked crap that KO was fired from MSNBC and ESPN. Mike I do not have to be a fan to tell you, people that are fired do not get rest of salary and last shows, KO got a salary from both the times that he worked at ESPN and MSNBC and did a last show that he thanked and said goodbye to people, that shows even to people that are not fans and people that unlike you know what commen sense is and uses it that KO was never fired from those networks. Mike sorry but you lie throught your teeth when you put out the debunked crap that KO’s ego and personality are bad they are not. Mike all you do is make me love and respect and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry only got fired from Current and Fox, quit MSNBC and ESPN both times, that does not show that he hard to work with only that mangers have zero clue how to handle independent, prefetionist like him. I do not oo listen to people about KO who are so igorant when it comes to his work history, those people show that have no idea what facts are. OO you do not do last shows like KO did at MSNBC and ESPN if you were fired, you do not get a salary if you are fired, KO is this generations Murrow, you would not know what Murrow is. You oo are the one that is showing that you are Krusty the clown, you cannot refute anything that I say, so you decide instead to be the grammer and spelling police, people that are like that show that they are everything that they claim KO is. KO has worked in this industry for 33 years, that is the truth. OO I know that people that lie about KO’s career show that they are not to be listened to when it comes to KO, because they show that they do not know what facts are. OO you just showed that you do not have common sense. People that live in the real world not your fantasy world know oo that if someone does a last show and still gets a salary, that means OO that they quit and did not get fired. You show that you are beyond igorant when it comes to KO and you know that you are igorant when it comes to KO, but you are such a gutless coward that you only care about putting up debunked crap, like the lies about KO’s career than listen to the truth. You show with that post that KO is this genertions Murrow and you Oo are Krusty the clown and do not say different because I know like all your other posts that will be a lie and just show how igorant you are on KO. OO keep showing that KO can never lie and that you do not know what facts are and what truth is. OO KO only been fired from two places and they were by bad bosses, one that thinks like you telling the truth is bad aka Murdouch and one that wants to be lazy and not take responsibity for what happened at Current, that is it, the other places he quit out. There is no evidence but in your mind OO that KO was fired from MSNBC and ESPN. You do not even know what being fired is and what quiting is that is how made up your posts are.
OO quiting is when you do a last show and still get a salary like what happened at MSNBC and ESPN, getting fired is no salary and no last show that is what happened at FOX and Current, anyone with a brain that they like to use unlike you know that. You are so igorant on who KO is. YOu show again with this post why KO is this generations Murrow and show that you do not know what facts are. Keep lying about KO’s job history, the facts are and always will be and if you say different you would be lying and showing that you do not know what a fact looks like. KO quit ESPN in 1997 because of contract neogations falling apart, went to MSNBC quit MSNBC the first time because he wanted to do real news not just report on MOnica Lewnsky all the time, went to FOx got blackmailed by a guy that is know been in a scandal for hacking phones showing that he not to be trusted when it comes to honesty about anything, fired for telling the truth about Murdoch selling Dogers. Went to MSNBC, quit again because he did not like the hypocricracy that went on there and thought that he was loosing support and got a offer from Current. Than got unjustily fired and if you say different you be lying and showing how igorant you are on KO. There is no evidence that his personality is why he not there. This shows that he worked pretty steady in his career also
You again show why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come, you Oo are Krusty beacuse your post has no facts and truth in them. You even lie about KO’s career and put up stuff that has been debunked over and over again. Keep making me love and respect him and showing why I am a life long fan.
I do not listen to people on KO who put up that debunked crap about KO’s career because I know that people like you who say that, have no facts and are not wanting to argue facts all you want to do is show and if you say different than that will be a lie beacuse KO has quit MSNBC and ESPN both times. People like you show why we need KO and why KO is this and always will be this generations Murrow. KO keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life. Love you faults and all. So Paul keep putting out a debunked lie. KO has been working in broadcasting business for 33 years at different jobs. Wow I wonder if you worked that long, also KO is not a rich kid. He was raised in a upper middle class family, that is not what a rich child looks like. Paul I watch KO had his prefectly fine mentally, I guess in your world peoeple that tell the truth and show why they are this genrations Murrow are bad. Also Paul the reason why KO cannot drive if you would listen is That Scinece is called a head injury not brain damage, also KO does not have a personal limo driver, that story Science turned out not to be true, the person that was suppose to have drove KO and said this basically came out and said that he had never drove KO. So keep lying, also you claim to read KO on twitter, so please Science if KO has his own Limo driver why are the pictures like last night that he shows are him reading the subway, wow some driver, also him not being able to drive Science does not mean that he has brain damage, I guess you are going say that people that are visaul imparied are also brain damged because they cannot drive, you really are putting up BS posts and showing that you the unintellngent one, not me and not KO. KO had a head injury that is why he cannot drive, head injuries and brain damage are not the same, you can have damage with out hitting your head, and you can have a regualry head injury that has nothing to do with your brain. Keep showing that you the one that has zero inteillgence and that KO is the intelligent one. Love how you believe debunked stoires. Again keep showing how igorant you are on KO. YOu just love to show why he is this generations Murrow and why you have no idea and never will have a an idea about who he is. KO never broke the contract and Current was not able to pay the drivers, which make sense because they never seemed to pay the electrity bill because KO was in the dark or fix his set. Keep proving that KO cannot make crap up and that you cannot tell the truth. You really love to prove that KO is this generations Murrow and you love to embarrass yourself in showing how igorant you are on him.I guess in Paul fantasy world the only people that are fine mentally are people that can drive, wow Paul people have all sorts of reasons for not driving that does not mean they need to see a shirink or that they have metnal problems, it means that like KO they have a injury that pervents them from see right while driving. Also KO is not gay. So Paul explain to me, how do you know a person is gay, because straight people are so spouse to know how to drive, and have children and family by now. Wow Paul that is not remotely what gay and straight look like. KO has dated women before, he even dated igraham, also I do not listen to people when it comes to who show that they are homophobis like you are. This is the most stupidieset thing that I have read all week. KO fine mentally and always has been only people like Paul who do not know what honesty is and love to make stuff up about people’s private lifes says that. KO tells truth to power, and shows why he this generations Murrow and can never lie. Paul hates KO because he suppose to tell him how bad people that are gay are, and he suppose to let the people that Paul wants to critized to critized, Paul do yourself a favor and learn what mentally ill is. KO standing up to bosses like he did at Current and other places is shows that he cares more about vaules and morals than he does issues and do not put that debunked crap about Current because here is what happened there Again because you do not like hearing the truth here is what happened at Current Again you show that you do not listen to truth or facts, that is a made up talking point. again here is the evidence that you love to igonre that shows that KO was unjustily fired. I do not listen to people like you who keep putting made up crap. Current being a ragtime operations is a BS excuse. ragtime operations do not make people who are have a thorat infection that is serious in KO’s industry have work, that shows that they do not care about who they are hiring, they do not get rid of thier co-Ceo that knows what he doing, that is how made up that statement is here is again is the facts and what happenedWow you also seem to want to lie about KO’s career. KO was not fired from ESPN or MSNBC. I want you to explain to me why was KO able to a last show at ESPN, I did not realize Nick that people that were fired could do that. Nick what happened at ESPN is that they could not find a agreement when it came to reneogationating his contract. He wanted to be in New York, because he was single and cannot drive and had family there. ESPN wanted him to stay in Bristol, so they left on mutal agreement. At MSNBC the first time he quit because he did not want to talk other things beside Lewensky scandal. He was then traded to Fox, he got fired from Fox for reporting the truth about Murdouch selling the LA Dodgers. Which at Fox is not allowed. He was than hired back from MSNBC, and when he left in January of 2011 he was again allowed to do a last show and mangement even said that KO left on his own aka mutal agreement and he got paid the rest of his contract, that shows pacfically that KO was not fired from MSNBC just like ESPN. Also KO was rehired by ESPN to work with Dan Patrick before he left ESPN. Nick keep lying about KO’s career history.
Nick also I want you to explain when has a professional responsible business ever put out a letter that is a personal attack on the person that they letting go, so again explain Nick how this ego and KO’s fault. Also KO keeps his fans up to date on twitter about his abences and what is going on and when the subs are going to on and letting the subs like Press tweet when he going to be on. He also saying who on the show and his staff doing twitter saying who on when Shuster is on, while Current will not take responsible for thier mistakes like the tenichal problems which is business which in the couter-suit they claim is thier job. Nick why did Current want KO to do a commerical for a corporation and have a corporate sponser, when they advertised that they were corporate free, also giving corporation his website, wow trying to make KO a hypocrite to his audience and people like me who are fans, and love that he stands on principle. Why did Current leak the primary story to the press, and KO and his lawyer only confirm that lawyers that were involved that Current said were saying, Nick how is that sabtoging them, when they were putting out email and letters and putting out qutos about KO, and all KO does is defend them and confirm that lawyers involved, along with making KO go against his principles and make them go again what they stood for by being corporate free. Wow Nick that shows that Current is sabtoging themselves and unjustily fired KO.
Nick KO was unjustily fired and that is the truth and thier is nothing that going to change that. Also nick explain why when articles about KO come out he or his team aka lawyer and manger always quoted, but with Current it sources, and that Hollywood story says sources and they say that KO was the one responsible why not deny when KO said they had told him it was his manger. Who is it the manger or KO. and they cannot deny that they blackmaiel and threaten to fire staff, all showing that they not KO realeased the salary. They also never reprimended KO for saying that he was on a preplanned vacation to fans on twitter, showing that they had approved it. So again I would be pissed if KO does not get the justice he deserved for being unjustily fired.
Nick keep making me love KO and respecting him more and more and showing why KO will be aroud for year to come. KO keep being yourself and showing why you are this generations Murrow and you will always have a fan in me. Lov eyou faults and all. Again Hyatt is someone that fired some with AIDS and you take what he says seriously. Dude I researched this over and over again and nothing shows that KO personality is why he not at Current. Keep showing how igorant you are on KO. KO again keep being yourself and sorry that you got unjustily fired at Current. OO loves to show why you are this generations Murrow and that OO loves to put out debut, Paul KO quit ESPN because of a contract disagreement, he did a last show and got a salary, Paul people that get fired do not get to do a last show and say goodbye or get there salary, he was hired back and ended up quiting again. He quit MSNBC first beacuse he wanted to do something other than Lewnisky and MSNBC did not, so he left or said he was sold to Fox sports, was blackmailed at Fox and reported on a true story about Murdouch selling the Dogers and was than fired, wow I did not know that telling the truth and being fired for it and being blackmailed there showed that KO had mental problems, oh that is right is shows that KO is mentally and has always been mentally sound. He went to MSNBC a second time and was there for eight years, he was at ESPN first time for five. Wow expect for Current, KO has even been steady working at the same job for a while with five at ESPN and eight at MSNBC, wow that again shows that Paul would not know what a mental illness is if it bit Paul on the head, he quit because MSNBC mangement is beyond hypocritical with the fact that they do not mind aka Geogary and SHultz people being speakers at fundraisers and Scrabough who only got caught a punished when he donated when KO was unustily punished for it. So MSNBC has a dishonest mangement team, they even do not want to see and keep acknowledging that KO was the one that brought them the success that they have. So wow I did not realize again like Fox mangement aka MSNBC dishonesty mangement was showing that people had mental problems, or that is right it does not. Paul also I have been on twitter, you think that trolls that love to bully and name call people should be allowed to say whatever they want and not get called out. Wow you again show that Paul thinks that name calling and lying about people’s careers and saying made up crap, shows that Paul hates facts. Paul those are the people that KO calls out that shows someone that loves to tell the truth and expose real bullying. This is not what mentally ilness looks. Also he talks politcs and baseball and puts out sunsets and answers questions. Paul I want you to explain how is that mental ilenss. Oh that is right it does not because Paul has no idea what a mental ill person looks like. Also Current KO was dealing with imcomptent mangement, which say that they handled the business part of things but did not want to fix set problems only wanted to complain about them and put blame on others, the one owner Hyatt fired someone with AIDS at his other business and was sued, and while at Current, got rid for no reason at all his co-ceo who knew the business, knew how to handle egos and yes KO has a big ego everyone in his business does, but ego is not why he not at Current, he’s is just right for someone in his industry. So that shows that I should not believe Hyatt when he says anything. His president Broham should know that when someone has a thorat infection aka a broadcaster, you do not try to make them work, espically when they are about to do Super Tuesday, the night before Super Tuesday is not important compared to your broadcaster vocal health. The fact that Brohem did this shows that he cared crap about KO and would have rathered worked him until he vocal chorads were so damaged they prevented KO from every working again even at Current. I was beyond pissed when I read that email. Paul I do not have to be a fan to know that KO is mentally sound, I also know that he is not a and never was a rich kid, yes he went to Hackly but going to a prep school or even a private school Paul does not make a person rich. Also going to Ivy League school like Cornell is also not mean that you are a rich child. Also calling out trolls Paul and putting up cool sunset and sundown photos and tweeting baseball and politics and interacting with people, shows that you are mentally stable, having worked in the brodacasting business and worked steadily in it, shows that you are mentally stable. Driving Paul has nothing to do with mental health. Again Paul I do not listen to people that think it okay to make fun of people that are gay when it comes to mental health. You show Paul and do not say different that KO’s mentally and always been mentally fine, you show that Paul loves to show how much of a homophobe that he is, and that KO unlike Paul knows more about tolerance. Paul wants to show that he igorant about who KO is and what his career and job history are. Paul you show why KO is this generations Murrow and make me love and respect him more with this made up BS piece. I know that anyone putting this out shows that they have no idea who KO is and that they would rather make fun of the mentally ill which is pahtic than listen to the truth. KO keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod, ipad and life. Love how you show Paul what tolerance and what mental stableness is. Also how you have no idea how to be mentally ill or how to be homophobe. Wow keep embarrassing yourself Paul with BS posts like this that shows that Paul does not live in the real world and loves to make lies up about people along with showing what a homophobe he is. KO sorry you got unjustily fired at Current, I will differently be pissed if you do not get the justice that you deserve for being unjustily fired there. Again you are the only one that will get me to watch news again. Love you faults and all. also exlpain why Carr says he can work again Paul. Again Paul people have said this about KO since he left ESPN. This Paul has been debunked over and over again. So sorry Current claiming to be progressive does not show Paul that KO can never work again. This shows that you do not get that bad mangement can happen anywhere. Also Paul Current is not progressive, and do not put out the hosts. They think that it okay to lie to viewers about who they are, they say they are corporate independent but than they go and try to get KO to go against his principles and do a commerical for AT&T. This Paul is not what progessives are about. Cenk Paul keeps critizing Obama so wow they are not Obamabots. KO Paul has critized this president. So the fact that you say that shows that you know that KO can easily get a job in broadcasting but you do not want to admit it. Again you show that you are beyond igorant about who KO is. Paul I laugh at people like you who put up that BS lie and try to make it true. Sorry Paul KO can work again if he wants to in his idustry. Keep showing me why KO is this genrations Murrow and that you are beyonf igorant about who KO is.
Oo the he burnt his last bridge has been debunked over and over again, you are showing how igorant your are on KO when you put out that debunk lie. Here is what Patrick said about this, Also Dan Patrick who been a friend of KO since they worked together at ESPN. would be laughing at you when you say KO is unemployable. KO quit MSNBC in 1999 and than was rehired in 2003, he quit ESPN in 1996 and was rehired in I think 2004 because he was regulary with Patrick before he left that is how made up the burnt his last bridges is. Keep lying about what I am, you just make laugh with how dishonest you are when it comes to fans. First you think when I defend KO I and other fans are in a cult and because I call you out again on that lie, you think it obession. I on a KO blog where he writes, that is not a obession. Also if you hate KO so much why are you on a site that writes, I think the truth is you are obessed with lying about KO and making up crap about his past. You already lied about his employment. I know that it will take awhile but just like Carr of the times and Patrick he will be back. Always is, said he would not be and than came the bad deal with CUrrrent. So keep lying about who I am and who KO is. I only and only evey be a fan and as a fan I not afraid to defend the person that I am a fan of. Being a fan is not a obession. Keep lying about me and KO. YOu again just make me love and respect him more. I go by the people that know KO personally like Dan Patrick when it comes to when KO going to back and employment not trolls who cannot get that KO was only fired from two places. and has worked in the same career for 33 years and counting. Again if KO is so toxic why do channels hire him back, that is what I keep telling you up top that is why I laugh when people like you say that, because it always needs up as a lie. It sometimes takes a while but if he wants to a network will take the risk. Again why is that Dan patrick who a friend of KO and worked with him at ESPN says that he would come back to a network, Carr who article was mostly negtive says that network will easily hire him after a certain amount of time and he in the industry. So keep living in your fantasy world on that one. That always turns out to be a lie. So I do not take your garantuee because I know that anyone that says that shows that they do not know who KO is and even how popular he is with people, even to fans that get angry at him when it came to Current want him back on the air somewhere. So sorry but I do not listen to people that say that a network can never hire him and never will because I know from looking at the pattern of his career and the success that he brings aka ESPN and MSNBC, which shows the track record of building channels showing that he already secrued his place in history when it comes to television, shows why networks take the chance on him. Sorry but you show that you do not want to listen to truth, again only insult. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more. Wow even Carr who would agree with you about KO and his bosses says that KO can come back. Wow OO that is how BS that lie is. OO the truth is KO can work anywhere if he wants, so if does not come back that is because he does not want to work. If does come back which probably happen it because he wants to work, and also again like what happened the when he was unjustily fired at Fox, it took a while before he went back and second time, Sorry but KO has burnt nothing that is made up BS and again shows that OO is ingorant on KO’s job history, keep showing that you have zero clue who KO is. Sorry but KO can work again, keep embarrassing yourself with your igorance on who KO is. Sorry but KO did break the contract and was nothing that Current said that he was, and I am someone that cares crap about his personality and how he gets along behind the scences. There is no proof RB that KO broke that contract.
Current came out with something that you have never heard of a attack letter, because they knew that they are everything that they claim KO is and that they broke the contract.
Keep shoiwng how igorant you are on KO and what his career is and do not say different because that would be a lie. Keep showing why KO is nothing that you and Current says he is and that you are everything that you want KO to be.
ALso that takes to web page not the article. Keep making me more of a fan.
Get off the blog and let people talk baseball. All this shows is how igonrat you are about who KO is and always will be.

RB
That name describes Gibson not KO,
You just showed that you love to defend people that use hate speech and think it okay to bully others, aka saying that John Stewarts pain on 911 is not real, also this story tunred out not to be true, here is who Gibson is BUt that is Gibson but thanks for shwoing that Oo has zero clue what real is like Olbermann and his being unjustily fired from Current and what fantasy and made up is like story Gibson is. I also guess that OO likes people like Gibson to get away with lying.
OO please leave with your igorance on KO and let the others here talk baseball. YOu get debunked over and over again and do not say different because that will be another lie. Thankd for making fun of JOhn Gibson.
Because that is who BB is, KO likes showers not baths as he said on twitter, that is how igorant you are on him.
You really show how igorant you are on reality and fantasy are. You also show that OO loves to support hate speech and bullying because that is all John Gibson is.
Thanks but this picture desecribes you and Giboson and has zero to do with and never will with KO.
Again leave this place and go to sites that are as igorant as you on KO, and let people talk baseball.
Here is who Gibson is uring the August 14 edition of MSNBC’s Countdown, host Keith Olbermann named Fox News’ John Gibson the “winner” of his nightly “Worst Person in the World” segment for, as Media Matters for America documented, mocking comedian and Daily Show host Jon Stewart’s expression of grief in response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Olbermann stated that Gibson “played a tape of comedian Jon Stewart’s heartfelt anguish from September 20th, 2001, as a New Yorker who lived near the Trade Center, and Gibson and his producer mocked it. He called it Jon Stewart sobbing. That idiot sidekick called Stewart a, quote, ‘phony.’ ” Olbermann added: “Secondly, Gibby: Jon Stewart’s expression of pain after 9-11 and yours, Gibby, and mine — that was the unity. And no matter what kind of administration propagandist I think you are and how I’ll mock you for it, I would never doubt the sincerity of your pain. You’ve got a lot of damn nerve doubting the sincerity of anybody else’s.”

Gibson mocked Stewart during a discussion of Philadelphia Daily News columnist Stu Bykofsky’s August 9 column, headlined “To save America, we need another 9/11.”

From the August 14 edition of MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann:

OLBERMANN: And our winner, John Gibson of Foxed News. In part of this insane discussion that America, quote, “needs,” unquote, another 9-11 to create national unity, Gibby played a tape of comedian Jon Stewart’s heartfelt anguish from September 20th, 2001, as a New Yorker who lived near the Trade Center, and Gibson and his producer mocked it. He called it Jon Stewart sobbing. That idiot sidekick called Stewart a, quote, “phony.”

Firstly, to anybody who subscribes to the theory that this country needs another 9-11 with hundreds or thousands killed — here’s a funny thing. I don’t see any of you suggesting you or your family should be its victims.

Secondly, Gibby: Jon Stewart’s expression of pain after 9-11 and yours, Gibby, and mine — that was the unity. And no matter what kind of administration propagandist I think you are and how I’ll mock you for it, I would never doubt the sincerity of your pain. You’ve got a lot of damn nerve doubting the sincerity of anybody else’s. John Gibson of Fox Noise, today’s “Worst Person in the World.” n Christmas day, I summed up the recent skirmish between John Gibson and Keith Olbermann. (To get caught up, click here.)
On Tuesday night, Olbermann threw another log on to the fire and poured on some gasoline as he made complaints about the Worst Person in the World award the #3 story on Countdown. (The full transcript is after the jump.)

Gibson accused Olbermann of misquoting him in an e-mail to this blog, so Olbermann played the full audio tape of Gibson’s statement about religion.

“Ordinarily when somebody gets caught saying something as intolerant as this, their choices are a) to apologize, b) to resign, or c) to make sure there’s no tape and try to lie their way out of it,” Olbermann said. “John chose “d” — blame it on somebody else.”

“The audio clip is the definitive answer, and I would hope John would now have the self-respect to acknowledge what he said, and to leave the airwaves for good. Because, between the remark and the denial, he has — sadly — forfeited his right to stay here.”

Crooks & Liars has the video. The full transcript is after the jump…

> “Egads — being quoted correctly! Let’s see how Fox answers back to this latest ‘assault,’” an e-mailer says…

At the end of June we began to devote about 90 seconds out of each news-hour to a feature called “The Worst Persons In The World.”

The mighty and the anonymous alike have made the nightly list — from Robert Novak to Scott Peterson to the Ronald McDonald who held up a Wendy’s.

And up until now, though well over 200 people have earned the dishonor, we’ve never had a complaint.

Our number three story on the Countdown: we have a complaint.

Evidently John Gibson and Bill O’Reilly of Fox News don’t like being considered among the Worst Persons In The World, even though they clearly are.

O’Reilly first.

He was funnier.

Last week the Big Giant Head did some sort of year-end wrap-up of his rants and distortions.

It was a self-loofah’ing of congratulation, for the nightly disaster his program means for the truth.

“Speaking of disasters, our competitor at MSNBC is a notorious smear merchant. So far this month, December, The Factor’s third rerun at 4:00 in the morning has beaten the MSNBC’s original 8:00 program more than 50 percent of the time. Unbelievable.”

A couple of things here: We never claimed O’Reilly’s program doesn’t draw vastly more viewers than does this one. To borrow a phrase — hey, 800 billion flies can’t be wrong.

But it is curious, isn’t it, that he brands me a “smear merchant” and yet instead of trying to refute even one of the hateful things we’ve quoted him as saying or doing, he instead turns to the ratings.

That’s probably because the only things we’ve “smeared” O’Reilly with have been his own quotes.

To borrow another phrase — when you’re as guilty as he is… change the subject.

Unfortunately I now have to change the subject to John Gibson, and this is greatly painful because I really don’t know why he’s decided to try to destroy himself, but he has.

O’Reilly, after all, is one of those blissful idiots who can rationalize anything. That doing this enough usually results in a nervous breakdown, is well-known, and his clock is clearly ticking, in that regard.

But even he is not so functionally stupid as to deny saying things that are preserved on tape, which is what Mr. Gibson is doing. Let me flash you back to the day he made the Worst Persons list.

But the winner, and this one comes with great personal pain, because we were friends when he worked here and thereafter, John Gibson.

Selling his new book about this phony baloney war on Christmas, John revealed a very ugly side to himself. He is one of those people who think all religions but his are mistaken. You know, the way a lot of these religious nut bag terrorists think. I would think, Gibbie said on a syndicated radio show. if somebody is going to be — have to answer for following the wrong religion, they are not going to have to answer to me. We know who they’re going to have to answer to.

I’d tell you which religion, John, thinks is the only one that’s right, but what’s the difference? It’s not the faith that’s the issue. It’s the intolerance. John Gibson, today’s worst person in the world.

John first complained about that on his radio program. Then he went to town on television.

“I find myself being misquoted or the actual words I’ve said taken way way way out of context in order to build outrage against me…

Names like ‘fathead’ and the ‘worst something or other’ for things I really did not say…

Today one of my former colleagues repeated a misquote to justify saying some truly disgusting things about me. Condescendingly, he ’tisk tisked’ that he used to like me. I frankly doubt it. Otherwise, why would he be so willing to believe trash?”

Well, John, I believed it because it’s true. And it’s on tape.

I’m afraid he is, at best, suffering from amnesia. At worst, he’s just flat-out pretending something never happened.

John Gibson’s remarks about religions being wrong and those who believe them having to answer for them, came on a show hosted by a Janet Parshall, broadcast by Salem Radio Network, on November 17th — and they’re on tape. The website Media Matters for America has a transcript and an audio link, and I’m afraid there’s no ambiguity whatsoever.

GIBSON: The whole point of this is that the tradition, the religious tradition of this country is tolerance, and that the same sense of tolerance that’s been granted by the majority to the minority over the years ought to go the other way too. Minorities ought to have the same sense of tolerance about the majority religion — Christianity — that they’ve been granted about their religions over the years.

PARSHALL: Exactly. John, I have to tell you, let me linger for a minute on that word “tolerance.” Because first of all, the people who like to promulgate that concept are the worst violators. They cannot tolerate Christianity, as an example.

GIBSON: Absolutely. I know — I know that. PARSHALL: And number two, I have to tell you, I don’t know when they held this election and decided that tolerance was a transcendent value. I serve a god who, with a finger of fire, wrote, he will have no other gods before him. And he doesn’t tolerate sin, which is why he sent his son to the cross, but all of a sudden now, we jump up and down and celebrate the idea of tolerance. I think tolerance means accommodation, but it doesn’t necessarily mean acquiescence or wholehearted acceptance.

GIBSON: No, no, no. If you figure that — listen, we get a little theological here, and it’s probably a bit over my head, but I would think if somebody is going to be — have to answer for fo
llowing the wrong religion, they’re not going to have to answer to me. We know who they’re going to have to answer to.

PARSHALL: Right.

GIBSON: And that’s fine. Let ‘em. But in the meantime, as long as they’re civil and behave, we tolerate the presence of other religions around us without causing trouble, and I think most Americans are fine with that tradition.

Now, there is always the possibility — however remote — that that wasn’t John Gibson, but merely some kind of professional John Gibson Impersonator.

In which case, that guy is clearly the Worst Person of All-Time.

Or an evil twin, maybe.

Otherwise… that’s really the whole shebang right there. That phrase “wrong religion” actually sounds worse in context, doesn’t it?

It’s the same kind of misunderstanding and perversion of religion to which we react in horror when we see it in terrorists who have twisted religions for their own purposes.

Might as well have been commentators on some All-Access Al-Qaeda show on Al-Jazeera talking about infidels.

And by the way, don’t you get this creepy feeling of embarrassment when somebody trying desperately to be holier-than-thou, promptly mis-quotes the bible?

“I serve a god who, with a finger of fire,” you just heard Janet Parshall say, “wrote, he will have no other gods before him.

Actually, Ms. Parshall, as any of us who’ve actually read the bible know, the first commandment is “thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

That’s not just a difference in pronouns. He’s demanding exclusivity from those who believe in him. Nothing in there saying other people can’t serve other gods in which they believe.

Sorry. I’ve strayed from the main topic, probably because it is awfully painful.

Whether he thinks me insincere or not, I really did like Gibby. Hard-working, always there to cover a shift, or help out in any way he could. Now, instead, he’s denying he said some truly despicable things — things recorded for posterity — and worse, he’s now trying to blame those hateful things on me.

Ordinarily when somebody gets caught saying something as intolerant as this, their choices are a) to apologize, b) to resign, or c) to make sure there’s no tape and try to lie their way out of it.

John chose “d” — blame it on somebody else.

The audio clip is the definitive answer, and I would hope John would now have the self-respect to acknowledge what he said, and to leave the airwaves for good.

Because, between the remark and the denial, he has — sadly — forfeited his right to stay here. This is who Gibson is RB, so I do not listen and know that anything that Gibson says is false and made up.
You just showed me that KO is tolerant and that you have no idea what tolerance means. Thanks for making me love and respect KO more and show that you and Gibson are everything that you claim he is. RB you are so igorant on who KO is and do not say different that it not even funny, all you are doing is embarrassing yourself with your igorance. Know get off the blog and let people talk baseball. KO sorry that you got treated like crap at Current would not be happy if you do not get the justice that you deserve for being unjuistily fired from there. Keep being yourself and I will always be a fan, love you faults and all.

Thanks T for showing how igorant you are on KO, and also that you love to show that you love to defend people that are anti-sematic. You really make me love and respect KO more and more, and show why he this generations Murrow. You show how tolerant KO is and that T has no idea what the word tolerant means. KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me. Thanks for showing that T has no idea what being human means.
Know get off the blog and go to we love hate and intolerance club and let people talk baseball.

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