Photo Nerdgasm: UPDATED
I know, I know, Morse trade, WBC, Manti Te’o's Invisible Girlfriend…I have something important to discuss here: Who are these guys? These are two shots taken at the Yankees’ old spring training facility at Fort Lauderdale, Florida, in the 1978-85 range. The negatives were never printed and never identified by the photographer, and they aren’t obvious to anybody. And I speak as an anybody whose proudest moment was going into the Baseball Hall of Fame’s Photo Archive three years ago and having the privilege to be shown their “unidentified” file – and to reel off seven or eight consecutive IDs in the first photos I saw. I was just beginning to draw a crowd when the muse left me. I think I had one tentative name guess for the remaining hundred in the pile.
Anyway, all we know is that they were Yankees, that we think they were non-roster invitees, and that we have three meh possibilities. Want to play?
Who are these guys?
As I said, there are a couple of possibilities. Number One looks vaguely – very vaguely – like Keith Smith, who played exactly 20 innings at short for the Yankees in ’84 and ’85. Let’s look at Number One and Smith, side by side…
Face shape looks pretty good. The eyebrows are close and any deviation can be attributed to a common eyebrow issue for us Keiths – trimming. The head tilt as part of the attitude toward the camera is one of those subtle things that often tell you more than facial features. But maybe you recognize him and it’s somebody else?
As to the other, I’m not nearly as confident:
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if our Mysterious Yankee #2 is neither Kelly Scott – a pitcher who was in camp several times in the ’80s – nor Brian Fisher, a very highly rated reliever the Yankees had gotten from Atlanta and later peddled to Pittsburgh. There are a few bad color photos of Scott in which his hair looks very much like our guy. The similarities to Fisher are obvious – the mouth, ear shape, etc. – but doesn’t the unidentified Yankee look significantly older than Fisher? It’s not like these photos could’ve been years apart: Fisher was in the Yank camp just two years, ’85 and ’86.
In any event, if you want to play sleuth, feel free to use the comments. If you have photos or links to support your thoughts, lemme know. Thanks!
UPDATE: One of your kind comments reminds me that we have a few clues besides the faces of the unknown Yanks. Over #2′s right shoulder, for instance, is a very familiar figure.
The Number 7 is on the one and only Mickey Mantle, who served as a Yankee spring training instructor from the year after his retirement until his health failed in the ’90s – with a couple of exceptions. Mantle was barred from baseball in February, 1983, for having gone to work for an Atlantic City casino, and wasn’t reinstated until March, 1985. Therefore you wouldn’t see a Yankee spring training photo from 1983, 1984, or a shot from early spring training 1985 (most of the fringe guys would’ve been long gone before Mantle’s earliest possible return, on March 18th).
This dates the photo to 1982 or earlier, and 1986 or later. The negatives were supposed to have originated from the late ’70s or early ’80s.
Just as importantly, you can plainly see the memorial armband on Mantle’s left sleeve. The Yankees wore those a lot, and would’ve had them during spring training in 1980 (for the late Thurman Munson), in 1981 (for the late Elston Howard), and in 1986 (for the late Roger Maris).
The images were shot on the same day – they’re on the same negative strip. So they are likely dated to 1980-81 (a smaller chance that they date to 1986). Although then, as now, minor leaguers occasionally would be seen in big league camp even if they weren’t on the roster and they weren’t formally ‘non-roster invitees,’ their likelihood of being photographed was very small (they could and were photographed separately, in minor league camp).
Thus the field of who these two men could be really shrinks to all the guys in Spring Training for the Yankees in 1980 and 1981 who I don’t recognize on sight (and in those two seasons I went from Radio Network sportscaster and reporter, and part-time photographer, to CNN sports correspondent). And that field is:
1980: Pitchers Jim Lewis, Brian Ryder, and Jamie Werly; catchers Scott Benedict, Pat Callahan, and Dan Plante.
1981: Pitchers Curt Kauffman, Lewis, and Ryder; catchers Callahan and Kevin Shannon.
For the record there a couple of other obscure guys in the field that I’ve eliminated because they don’t look like either of these guys: pitchers Paul Boris, Greg Cochran, Tom Filer, Roger Slagle, and Chris Welsh (that’s right: that Chris Welsh, now the Reds’ announcer and then a Yankee lefthand pitching prospect). Speaking of the Reds, neither is either of them another 1981 non-roster invitee named Don Gullett, who was still – five seasons later – trying to spend one healthy season in a New York uniform after having signed a huge free agent contract in the winter of 1976-77.
But I’m digressing. Let’s put together a rogue’s gallery of the remaining possibilities:
Curt Kaufman, 1982
As you see, it’s an incomplete gallery. Nothing turned up for two of those catchers – Dan Plante and Kevin Shannon.
I think most of these guys are obviously neither of our unidentified Yankees. One bears a remote resemblance – I’d suggest Scott Benedict, later a renowned high school coach in Florida, might just be Yankee #1, but the chest hair and the chin in the identified shot suggests otherwise. But do you see that shot of Brian Ryder with the then-Reds farm team, the Indianapolis Indians, from 1982. We may have a winner.
Let’s look at a couple more shots of Ryder, and put them alongside our Yankee #2:
Ryder?
I like the 1981 black and white especially – the profile shot – as a match, but it’s pointed out below that the complexion looks more like those two shots of Jamie Werly.
Ryder was the 26th overall pick in the 1978 draft and produced 15-victory seasons in his first two full years in the minors. But after a so-so year at AAA in 1981 the Yankees packaged him and another minor league pitcher named Fredie Toliver to the Reds, for Ken Griffey Sr (it is almost impossible to recall that we used to just call him “Ken Griffey.”) Ryder and Werly never made the majors – but the latter did put together a solid seven years in the
high minors, including a season as the top pitcher in the Southern League in 1981. In a recent photo he looks a lot like Yankee #1. I think it’s one of them, shown just a few springs ago, with Mickey Mantle over their shoulder…
If anybody has any ideas on the others, feel free to post a Comment – especially if you’ve got a shot of Dan Plante or Kevin Shannon.
UPDATED AGAIN!
Finally it struck me. “Number 1″ here has been annoying me for awhile. Looked familiar, but in a disguised way. Is it possible I’m seeing a guy I knew with long, even bushy hair, and a mustache, without either?
Dennis Werth? Jayson Werth’s step-Dad?

















Keith, if umpire AL CLARK is in any of those pix, I might want to reprint those pix in his autobiography, which I just co-authored. Title is Nothing to Hide: My Journey from the Big Leagues to the Big House.
Dan Schlossberg ballauthor@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Baseball Nerd
My guess on #2 would be Brian Fisher. Face shape looks similar.
Plus the eyebrows match much more closely than on Scott.
I think one way to start is with identifying the people behind #2. 7 has to be Mantle, but who is he with? When they were at camp–and surely the team has a record of when Mantle came to camp–would help date the pictures, which apparently took place moments apart, given the color of the sky, the height and shape of the trees beyond the wall, and the location of the subjects.
I’m not sure #1 is Smith based on the shape of his right ear. One has more lobe.
Could #2 be Jay Johnstone? Keith.. you are the best by the way! You need to be on Letterman more often. You guys are great together
Not Jay the more I look at his images…
KO, I can’t even venture a guess but I sure do miss 1.) Fort Lauderdale Yankee Stadium and 2.) my dad who would take me out of school and to the games there. End of an era. Those we my best childhood memories as a South Florida kid growing up in the 80s. Man those Yankee teams were bad; at least we had Donnie Baseball
Keith,
From what I can tell, the first set of a possible match is not Keith Smith. When I downloaded and enlarged them to 400% I noticed on KS on the right has a cleft chin a la Kirk Douglas and the left guy does not. But this is only my view. I don’t like to disagree with an aficionado such as you.
The second set I see the chin structure is more pronounced than the other two. He has a very prominent jaw line. The middle picture is closer to Brian Fisher because of his nose and eyebrows. Kelly Scott’s facial structure is more rounded. #2 my guess is Brian Fisher,
Unfortunately I don’t have any baseball cards to compare them. But this was fun.
Thanks Keith, looks like a lot of fun for folks. Being a SF Giants fan, I know little about NY Yankee players from that era. Still, thanks for keeping your blog interesting.
Based on the new photos I would say for sure that Jamie Werly is player #2
#2 is certainly Werley given the blemishes on his cheek, his nasal labial folds, and his left ear’s hole (which cuts down sharply and doesn’t have all the folds in Ryder’s ear). I can’t see Werth being #1 based on the shape of his chin and eyes, even with his bottom lip tucked up in some expression of surprise; or Ryder, seeing as Ryder’s right ear is folder up and forward while #1′s right ear points up and back. That half-lidded stoner look doesn’t seem to fit anyone else either.
#1 looks like an offspring of bobby Murcer if truth be told
Offspring of Tom Hanks and Rosie O’Donnell?
Any chance either or both are fantasy camp attendees?
Number one is Tom Hanks before Hollywood cleaned him up. Number two is my former son-in-law. And I thought he just did track and field!
Thanks for that you made me laugh and smile at the same time.
Keith,
Doug Melvin knows both of these guys! None of your guesses are right.
“Less than a year…”
ESPN: “There was no choice but to get rid of him.”
“Off the air once again.”
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also KO even admited that he was unhappy there, so do yourself a favor and go to the we are igorant about KO blogs and let people talk baseball.
Or I should say that he was unhappy at ESPN, so it was right that he would leave there.
So moderators please take this trolls post and my reponse off the blogs so people can talk baseball thank you.
Sorry for the repeat post.
trolls get off the blog and let people talk baseball, all you do is bash KO and make crap up about him that gets debunked easily and do not say different because that would be a lie.
Thier needs to be a troll spry on this blog, but I have to say that I have to laugh with how igorant they are on KO, I know that he not perfect but, I love how they show me that he nothing that they claim he and that they are excatly what they say he is.
They like that one poster on huffington post that goes on and says will I know people that worked and said, not getting what I and the other blogger that wrote to him said I will post it again I care crap about you saying that you know people that work with him, I do not listen to that, because I know that they could have been jerks themselves or hated that KO would but heads against authorities, or that he a prefectionist, or that he demands loyalty out people that he has himself.
Again I do not want KO prefect but just himself, and I love him for being who he is, I know that I will hear from him again if he wants to be on the air, he will be on the air and that is that. Supleton keep showing how Current broke the contract and why KO will be around for years to come. KO keep showing why you are this generations Murrow adn why you will always speaking truth to power. Love you faults and all. Here is more A blogger on huffington post, posted excat thought I was think when someone says that they know people that worked with KO and that they did not like him, or talk about his ego, and try to pass this off like Suplton does in putting out debunked talking points like KO can never come back, I can respect your point of view especially since you’ve been part of this business and know a few people who have worked in close proximity to Mr. Olbermann. I hope you can understand, however, that much of his listening audience finds Keith’s compassion for certain issues invaluable. He strikes me as an idealist and I admire the fact that he does not let people sway or force him to succumb to what they believe is right for whatever interest group. I abhor suck-ups.
So you’re saying that Mr. Olbermann in particular has a ginormous ego? I would like to know how many of his co-workers believe this to be true. We sometimes confuse passion with one’s ego.
I guess I would have to know exactly how Keith ruffles the feathers of those around him. If it is just to be hurtful and rude or to power play, then I can understand and appreciate your thoughts.
I would even go farther that I really would not matter either way, because all I care about is him telling truth to power and care nothing about who he is behind the scences, but I know that he nothing like you say he is,
because this is what one of his co-workers BY before you go off on that thinks of him
Some view them as prima donnas. Some marvel at how they can’t get over grudges against ESPN. Some consider them immensely talented and transformative figures in sports media.
There was evidence of all that Thursday as Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann reunited to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the debut of “The Big Show.” That’s what Patrick and Olbermann called the late-night “SportsCenter” they hosted for a large chunk of 1992 till 1997. They built up a large following with their way of taking viewers wryly through highlights. And they were happy to do the unheard of: poke fun at star athletes, and even their ESPN bosses.
But in a wide-ranging discussion at New York’s Paley Center, their yarns and recollections — some hilarious, some poignant — about their days together in Bristol weren’t the most interesting part.
It was their personalities together. Who were these guys? Except for a brief moment, Olbermann hardly seemed like the tempestuous guy who just got canned from Current TV and filed a blistering lawsuit against the network. And Patrick seemed as devoid of ego as an eighth grader unable to get a date.
Being around each other seemingly transforms them. They’re like brothers with genuine love for each other.
Olbermann is the more outgoing older one, the valedictorian, the star athlete, the one everyone can’t get enough of. Yet, he still looks to his younger brother for affirmation. Without that approval, it doesn’t matter how many fans he has.
Patrick has so much respect for his older brother, he’s happy to defer to him, willing to hand over the stage. He’s more secure and fine with playing second fiddle because he has confidence in himself.
(In reality, Patrick is slightly older than Olbermann.)
The wonderful chemistry they shared on air clearly wasn’t just for the cameras. As they brought entertainment into sportscasts with their sarcasm and repartee, Olbermann said they were “two kids having fun, trying to make the other one laugh.”
Now, 15 years after the “SportsCenter” tag team ended, they can’t say enough good things about each other. On Thursday, Patrick said when asked by people about working for Olbermann with his penchant for angering management and colleagues, he would tell them: “He’s the best teammate I ever had. And they were always shocked at that.”
Patrick offered some melodrama, albeit telling and heartfelt. You find out what someone is really like in “battle” and Olbermann is who you want to be in a foxhole with, he said.
“On the air, we (had) each other’s backs,” said Olbermann.
“I trusted him and I knew he trusted me,” said Patrick.
Evidence of their teamwork came one memorable night when Patrick’s microphone wasn’t working. As if it were planned, Olbermann reached over and attached his mike to Patrick’s lapel. When Patrick was done with his highlights, Olbermann wryly waved for it back.
A glitch became a stitch.
The two had such affection for one another, they would — get this — share. Imagine that at ESPN. The catchphrases “SportsCenter” anchors establish in pop culture are personal and valuable.
One day reading the wires, Patrick came across an intriguing name of a NASCAR driver: Dick Trickle. “I went, that’s my kind of race car driver,” he said.
Going forward, when mentioning NASCAR races, he’d cite the winner and always mention how Trickle did. On the night of the 1996 Daytona 500, Patrick may have said: “Dale Jarrett captured the checkered flag. Dick Trickle finished 43rd.”
It became a hit. But Patrick gave Olbermann permission to use it. Both agreed NASCAR results could not be reported without Trickle’s performance.
Unintentionally, Olbermann helped make Patrick a movie star. Olbermann turned down a role in Adam Sandler’s “Happy Gilmore.” Patrick later saw Sandler at an NBA game and volunteered. He’s now a regular in Sandler productions.
When Olbermann briefly moved to ESPN2 and “The Big Show” was split up, Patrick was distraught and had a difficult time warming to replacements. “I went through a funk,” he said. He thought Olbermann was “abandoning ship (and) management wanted to do this.”
Patrick said there were two defining moments at ESPN where his appreciation for Olbermann was secured. One was the failed microphone incident. The other was more serious and well-chronicled in the recently published ESPN oral history.
There are different sides to the story. But Olbermann and Patrick maintain management was not happy that they carved out their own identity by branding their version of “SportsCenter” as “The Big Show.”
(The origin was Olbermann joining ESPN from a local station in Los Angeles. His sports reports there were four minutes. He was now part of an hour-long show. During one commercial break, the worn-out Olbermann turned to Patrick and said it was a “big f*ck*ng show.”)
ESPN executives called the two into a meeting and railed against them, wanting the “SportsCenter” brand to take precedence. Olbermann pushed back.
Patrick was scared he wouldn’t have a job. He had kids. But as they walked out, Olbermann said: “F*ck ‘em.” Since then, irreverence hasn’t always worked for Olbermann at places like Fox, MSNBC and Current. Yet, somehow Patrick was comforted by his take.
Both Olbermann and Patrick say they were sort of in a cocoon in ESPN’s Connecticut studios. So, it took some time for them to realize how popular their show had become.
Their departures from ESPN have been the subject of some fascination. Olbermann was not happy in rural Connecticut, but says he was nonetheless emotional about leaving. So much so, he proposed to ESPN executive Howard Katz that they work out an arrangement where, for minimal pay, he would still do “The Big Show” on Sundays. No go. (Olbermann said his departure was actually amiable, but matters got worse in the wake of it.)
Patrick left years later after 18 at ESPN. He felt he had given his all to the company and it wasn’t “reciprocated.”
He’s long wanted a call from ESPN just saying “we handled this poorly” — but says, “I won’t get that call.” Part of him, though, hopes it doesn’t come because he competes against the channel with his popular radio show simulcast on TV and work at NBC.
Olbermann, for his part, is unemployed at the moment. A fitting metaphor: he showed up Thursday in a sweater, jeans and glowing Nikes after attending a baseball game. Patrick wore a suit.
As the revealing evening wrapped, there was a disappointing you-can-never-go-home-again backdrop. The likelihood of the two joining up on another ventire seems slim. They did for a while at NBC Sports. And, there were conversations about pairing up at the MLB Network, but any future gambit will never equal the appointment viewing of “The Big Show.”
“I’ll work with him anytime, anywhere,” Olbermann said of Patrick.
His track record indicates he wouldn’t say that about anyone else. But that’s the kind of loyalty and good feeling true brothers have for each other.
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So trolls never come with me about BS from SUzy Kolber which KO has apologized for and others from that book, because I will know that all you love to do is lie about who KO is and want to show that you are excatly like he is, and do not say different because it would be a lie.
KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me.
Here is what I would post in retrurn if you posted the crap that KO cannot get along with colleges, OO you do not even know KO career, KO has not been fired from MSNBC and ESPN, again here is what happened Keep showing that you would rather bash KO than listen to the truth, that he has never naplenmed a bridge and that he unemployable has always been debunked and always will be, I look at those articles and you have to live in fantasy world if you think that shows that KO is a jerk or that he unemployable, I already apologized for what happened with Suzie but people like you want to put that out because KO has to be a bad guy here is what KO did A long, long time ago, one of my bosses at ESPN told me that during times of contention, I always showed too much backbone.
Well, he was damned right.
A whining sacroiliac sent me to the chiropractor’s last week and the X-rays proved my old boss literally correct. I am part of that hidden minority, the spinal mutants, who have six lumbar vertebrae instead of the customary five. I do have too much backbone.
This was the final sign that it was time to do something that for months has been crystallizing out of the gauzy haze of the unconsciousness that surrounds us all: I need to apologize to ESPN.
This began to become evident weeks ago when the deputy mayor of Indianapolis attacked Chris Mortensen, one of my reportorial role models. I once watched Mort protect a source who not only publicly denied what he’d told Mort in private but also questioned his ethics. Just this month, Mort went on the air and criticized the thoroughness of his own reporting on a story. Mortensen is the gold standard, and this hack politician slashed him and said ESPN was “a sports channel first and a news organization fifth.” I was amazed to find my hackles rising and myself rushing to defend my old employers on my radio sportscast.
It all became remarkably clear after that. This isn’t about my skeletal freakiness, or Chris Mortensen, or even, particularly, the primary area of wounded feelings for my former bosses and colleagues, Mike Freeman’s book about the network. This isn’t even about specific events or people, although nearly everybody at ESPN merits an apology from me, and I give it willingly and with great sadness, but with some hope that it will explain if not erase my actions, and might even be of some inspiration to any who might be afflicted in the same curious way I’ve come to learn I am.
This is about not knowing why you do things — literally, not knowing for years and years — and then suddenly beginning to scratch the surface of understanding. That earlier imagery about the gauzy haze is almost factually precise: It feels as if I’ve been coming out of a huge fog bank.
Enough preamble. After five and a half years there, I left ESPN at the end of June 1997. My decision inspired a lot of head-scratching, everything from graffiti on a wall in a syndicated comic strip, to shouts of “traitor” from a viewer at a World Series game. There have been a lot of explanations conjectured, by myself and others, but heretofore I have never definitively stated why I left — in large part because until recently, I didn’t really know. In point of fact, I couldn’t handle the pressure of working in daily long-form television, and what was worse, I didn’t know I couldn’t handle it.
Not the broadcasts themselves, mind you — I’ve rarely had as much fun in life as I used to during those hours on the air with Dan Patrick. I’m talking about an inability to digest all that led up to those hours, about which I had no clue at all. And unless somebody at ESPN had the insight to look for a big-picture pattern, nobody else had any clue at all. I think some executives, most notably John Walsh, had a sense that something was wrong. But whatever any of them said about “insecurity” or “perfectionism,” I know I just took it as an attack and stiffened my extra-long spine.
On top of everything else about it that can destabilize the soul, television is fraught with a million commonplace things that can go wrong. A surprisingly large number of things can go wrong even when everybody involved is giving their all. It’s the nature of a medium so complex it would’ve made Rube Goldberg blanch.
But I didn’t see it that way.
I have lived much of my life assuming much of the responsibility around me and developing a dread of being blamed for things going wrong. Moreover, deep down inside I’ve always believed that everybody around me was qualified and competent, and I wasn’t, and that some day I’d be found out. If you think that way, when somebody messes up, you can’t imagine that it just “happened.” Since they’re so much better than you are, how could they not complete a task successfully? They have to be not trying hard enough — and when they don’t try and the show goes to hell, who gets blamed? You do.
In other words, you start thinking like George Steinbrenner, circa 1977.
Mix that in to the very public nature of the field, and especially the high-profile nature of a job like hosting “SportsCenter,” and you have a combustible combination.
The results can probably be summarized by this conversation I recall from the weeks after the infamous launch of ESPN2 in 1993. After three hours of live shots failing, news breaking, entire 20-minute segments of the show being swapped during commercial breaks, tapes physically falling apart, and production assistants wiping out as they ran through the snow to try to get us information, the producers, my co-host Suzy Kolber and I somehow managed to cover Michael Jordan’s first retirement professionally and entertainingly.
Afterwards, the coordinating producer, Norby Williamson, greeted us like the survivors of a World War I foxhole at Ypres. “Great job. Great show,” he said.
“The hell it was,” I said.
Wrong answer.
You suspend — no, let’s be exact about this, I suspended — the whole human part of the equation. It never occurred to me that most of the problems were the result of mere events. Even the chaos that surrounded the entire launch of the experimental show “SportsNight” was merely the inevitable result of the fact that it was experimental.
And it never, ever occurred to me that if it failed, I wouldn’t be found out, fired, banished, finished.
The oddest thing about all this, is that even when I left — and in six weeks I will have been gone longer than I was there — executives like Walsh and Howard Katz underscored that I was welcome to return at some distant future date, despite all the Sturm und Drang. And, man, I was usually producing both the Sturm and the Drang. Months later, Katz even approached me about contributing to ESPN Classic, shortly after the company had bought that network.
Of course, I could not know that the major bone of contention, the veritable sixth lumbar vertebra of contention, still awaited: Freeman’s book. I should herein point out that none of this should reflect on Mike: He did an exhaustively thorough job, and more to this point, he didn’t misquote me, not once, nor did he use anything I said out of context. Nor did he cajole or sweet-talk me into discussing topics I didn’t want to discuss. Also, this isn’t some kind of loudspeaker confession from George Orwell’s “1984.” I’m not going to renounce most of my criticisms of the place. I did not consort with Goldstein. I don’t think I was wrong on the issues — I think my methodology was wrong. Outstandingly wrong.
My answers to Freeman constituted the ultimate act of somebody who lived in terror of being blamed. After I left for NBC in 1997, I was unprepared for a question I would literally hear daily — on the street, at events, even on the air on MSNBC: “Why’d you leave ‘SportsCenter’?” If you make a decision in your life, even one as eminently logical and self-improving as “Why’d you start washing your hair every day?” and you start getting questioned hourly about it, you’re going to start second-guessing yourself. I eventually got up to about my millionth guess.
So. The logic was impeccable. To answer that question, I couldn’t take the blame (responsibility) for the disaster (career growth) about which I was being persecuted (sympathetically asked about). Why did I leave “SportsCenter”? Obviously, because it was a medieval torture chamber (fairly typical television workplace providing a high level of ego gratification and creative freedom).
There’s a lot in Freeman’s book that I regret. I won’t inundate you with details, but a few require specificity. Referring to ESPN’s executives, I told Freeman that “other than Steve Anderson, I don’t think any of them are any good.” Well, that was ridiculous then and it is ridiculous now. Without even judging how good they were, just to keep a monolith like ESPN on the air every day requires as many good executives as they have at NORAD.
As suggested earlier, I don’t regret my stances on the work environment there, but to say that some actions management took were merely “covering their ass legally” was to subtract the humanity from the equation. It never dawned on me that some of these guys had been thrown in at the deep end of the pool, or would have to expose, prosecute and fire friends and colleagues who themselves had done things that until a decade before had been standard operating procedure at every corporation in America.
I now read with horror of my ESPN2 co-host, Ms. Kolber, sequestering herself in the women’s bathroom and weeping over how I treated her. She told Freeman that as things deteriorated, I wouldn’t talk to her. She’s wrong: I couldn’t talk to her. I pumped up some small-scale complaints into a scenario in which she was at fault for everything ESPN2 hadn’t become. I wasn’t completely obtuse back then, and if anything would have cut through my neuroses, it would’ve been a colleague’s tears. If I had known, I think I could’ve jumped over the fence I’d built around myself and said what the inner guy always knew: No TV show is worth crying over. Suzy: I’m sorry.
There are lots of little gratuitous shots in there that also reflect an insensibility to parts of reality. I get queasy at all of them, but one stands out as representative. Freeman accurately quotes me as complaining about how a labor-intensive participatory field piece I did in 1996 about what the first-base coach does and says during a game, got little airtime. A year later, ESPN ran a similar piece in which the coaches of the Anaheim Angels wore microphones. I complained to the relevant coordinating producer, Jeff Schneider, and he replied that the new ESPN-Disney-Angels connection explained why one piece ran and the other didn’t. It is almost certain that Schneider was joking, or tweaking me, or, most probably, protecting me from a fact I could never have admitted to myself or have survived hearing from him or anybody else: My coaching piece just wasn’t that good.
Several ESPN folks suggested to Freeman that I was trying deliberately to violate the rules — appearing on other networks and writing for publications without notifying them just to tweak management. That was almost right on the money. But it wasn’t as simple as merely trying to annoy ESPN or John Walsh or whoever else. It was me trying to give myself an excuse to get out from under the pressure of working in an environment of my own creation in which I daily expected the blame ax to fall. It was prepackaged sour grapes.
Oddly, I did figure some of this out then, which is why, even after we’d finalized my departure I went back and proposed to them that I do one show a week. That really was instinct cutting through all of these neuroses. That was, should’ve been, and remains my ideal TV schedule: one or two days a week, and the other five or six to remember that I’m not going to be blamed for everything by anybody — even myself.
So, I’m sorry. It should have been done differently. It wasn’t. Then again, I’m only finding out now about that extra vertebra and the extra steps I have to take to learn how to be, well, flexible. Wow so Suzie is beating up on a guy that was able to man up and apologize for what happened wow that shows that she would not know what character is just like you, also Suzie is not great herself on stuff like working well as you and others want people to believe because jack does not want to hear that KO ego is not why he not on Current, here is what KO said about SuzieBelow is an excerpt from Those Guys Have All The Fun: Inside The World of ESPN, which is finally in paperback so those readers anxious for more Bristol back-biting don’t have to carry around the cumbersome hardcover. The new version includes more bitchy anecdotes from Bill Simmons, further details about Tony Kornheiser’s on-air insults about Hannah Storm, and, of course, more from Keith Olbermann, who maintains that he didn’t treat his one-time co-anchor Suzy Kolber as horribly as most people think.
Keith Olbermann:
I hate to put this on the record, but I’m really annoyed that Suzy has portrayed herself as this sweet bystander victim all the time. I swear on my niece’s head that this is true. When those touch-and-go negotiations for her to stay in ’96 ended, we were all working in a trailer while they rebuilt the newsroom, and Dan I were even sharing a computer. And one day she comes in and tells everybody—and I mean every on-air guy on the network was in this double-wide—”I’m leaving for Fox. It’s been real.” And as soon as she was out the door everybody stood and applauded. McQuade came over to me and said “Well at least her time here produced something positive. You get her computer.
Two-and-a-half years later, maybe the day after I got to Fox, now she’s leaving there to go back to Bristol and she sweeps through the news bullpen to say goodbye and damned but it doesn’t happen again. She says her farewells and as soon as she’s out of earshot, the row of writers stands up and starts applauding and cheering.
I liked Suzy then and I like her now but she wasn’t just sinned against.”
“Suzy’s statement seven or eight years later that I had caused her to go into the bathroom and cry really affected me. I mean, it provoked genuine introspection and sincere guilt. But, honestly, that was the first I’d ever heard of it. I mean, we shared an office desk for six months and she never even hinted that however I had treated her it was a problem.
In fact I had been proactive in trying to help her, because Norby and Mike Bogad were really pushing her around during the earliest rehearsals. My agent, and a very good woman friend of mine at ESPN, came to me and said “you know, you can be a little intimidating sometimes, you should take Suzy out to dinner and be her friend.” That floored me, but I took their word for it, and I tried to remind her that while she was the newcomer, they had bent over backward to try to get her, and the very biggest wigs at Cap Cities had personally pushed for her, and while it made sense for me to lead things off because I was by that time established with the brand, she should not just sit there if they shunted her off to the side or sent her on these punishing trips to Edmonton to interview Doug Flutie or whatever. I said I’d back her up completely. That night, we parted closer than ever. And the next day she was in Norby’s office demanding that she get the lead story instead of me! Wow hearing that just makes me love and show that KO gets along with others just fine.
Murdouch, this is guy who would not know what truth is if you put in his face, Jack do you realize that Murdouch has no idea what honesty is, he also like Hyatt thinks that it okay to blackmail his employees like he did KO hereOn Countdown tonight Keith Olbermann used a Special Comment to detail how Rupert Murdoch blackmailed him when he worked for Fox Sports.
Here is the video:
After retelling the story of how he got fired from Fox Sports for reporting that Rupert was looking to sell the LA Dodgers, Olbermann got to the new details,
The second half of my story I have never told publicly before. It’s time. In June of 2000 after a year and a half of doing two one hour cable shows a night for Murdoch and baseball from 7 AM to 5 PM on Saturdays, I got sick. My doctor told me that if I didn’t among other things slow down at work; he would be treating me for heart disease within the decade. I took him very seriously. I told my employers about cutting back maybe from the six days to 5, and offered to give back to Fox some of my salary in the process because my health was at risk maybe even my heart.
They immediately took me off the air. They refused to put me back on until I had gotten a letter from my doctor guaranteeing them that I was well enough to work. By itself that was hardly an evil thing to do. In fact, I recognized it as a prudent business decision, and I complied because I didn’t know what they intended to do with it. They blackmailed me with it.
Wow a guy who thinks like Hyatt and Brohem thinks that someone should work while they are sick that shows that Murdouch is a boss no one even KO should work for, also jack, KO got fired from there for telling the truth, KO found out that Murdouch was selling the Dogers he even went to someone asking if Mourdouch would be okay with the story, which they said yes and than he was fired when Murdouch, because Jack honesty is not allowed when Murdouch organization is in it, I should listen to a guy that is underinvestigation for warptapping when it comes to how KO is, you really love to show me that KO is easy to work,
here is another one that has been debunked
Like this This shows me that person is igorant on who KO and also if I hear people saying that they want to kick someone, that shows that they not KO was the problem and that they are unprofessional to admit that KO was right about what happened and that they do not like it. So Paul I would not believe anyone that you say that you know at ESPN when it comes to KO,and seeing your posts which are made up crap, shows that you know nobody from ESPN and that you love to lie.
Paul people like you show that KO is stable mental and always will be and that you live in a fantasy world if you and do not say different because I will know that is a lie, when you make BS crap up, that just shows that you take metal illness and people unlike KO who are truely mentally ill lightly. Paul KO is not and never has been and never will be mentally ill that is a BS lie and you know it, and if you come on here and say differnt I know that all you care about is living in your made up world and your igorance on who KO is. Paul you show that KO unlike you and your so called friends why he is this generations Murrow and why he his personality has never been a problem. Wow I should believe a person that name calls and uses homophobia slurs to try to tell me that KO is bad. Paul you cannot refute anything that I say. Paul where is your proof that KO is not stable, or yeah that right Paul knows that KO is mentall stable and has never had a mental illness just like Paul knows that KO has never been fired from MSNBC and ESPN, and that Paul knows that KO is no asshole and that he lies when he says that he knows people that work with KO at ESPN. You show that KO unlike you has no idea what honesty, Paul keep showing that you have no idea what a mental illness is and that you are so igorant on who KO is and that you Paul are the asshole and that KO has no idea how to be a asshole. Paul if you say different than I will know that all paul cares about is embarrassing himself with his made up lies about who KO is, from people that are just as clueless about who KO is as he is. Paul keep showing that you are everything that you want KO to be minus the mental ill. Keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow, and why he can never lie and why Paul can never tell the truth, and Paul if you say different I know that will be a another lie, from a guy who would not know what a metnal illenss is and what mental unstatbility is. Paul I know not to listen to people that lie about KO and know that they are lying because unless they live with that person about KO’s mental health, I know that I do not listen to people that lie about KO’s job history and say homophobic crap that is not true, I know not to listen to people that think because someone does not drive that he is mentally ill or unstable, if these are the people that you know, than I know that the reason that they hate KO was because he called them out on thier lies and unprofessionalism and that is if I believed you had friends there. Paul you just show why KO is this generations Murrow and that you are so igorant on KO that is not funny. Do not say different because that will be another lie. Paul keep making me love and respect KO more and more. Paul keep lying to me about KO, you cannot refute what I said in the last post that is how i know that you are lying here and that people you claim you know at ESPN are lying about who KO is and that they not KO were the problem and do not say different because I know that will be another made up Paul lie.
KO keep being yourself and showing Paul that you have zero clue how to mentally unstable and why you are no asshole and that Paul is everything that he wants you to be. KO sorry you got unjustily fired at Current, and will not be happy if you do not get the justice you deserve for being abused there. Care crap about your personality, love you personality and your ego, that makes you so loveable are your flaws along with your strengths. Keep being yourself and you will be the only you are the one that I will watch. Paul I know that everytime you talk about KO that is oppiste is true about him because I know that he is mentally sound and that he does not have a rich background because I researched his past I know that he not gay and that he been in the business for 33 yeras in a stable job and only got unjustily fired two times. So I know that this post you wrote has no facts and honesty in it, and that all it does is a show why KO is this generations Murrow and make me love and respect him more. Keep showing how igorant you are on KO that is all you know how to do and keep embarrassing yourself with your made up crap about who KO is, because all you know about him has been debunked and do not say different Paul beacuse I will know that is just another lie because that is all you know how to do is lie and name call. KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me.
By history on October 24, 2012 6:24 pm – Reply
Here another on trolls about KO’s relationship with someone Wow OO, for posting one of the most dumbiest things that I heard in a long time. KO and katy sperated but are still friends like here Thanks to a breaking story and sheer chance, Keith Olbermann wound up interviewing his ex-girlfriend on Wednesday’s “Countdown.”
That evening, the biggest story in the news concerned Michael Enright, the man who stabbed a cabdriver because he was Muslim. It turned out that Katy Tur, who is a reporter for WNBC in New York, had been in close contact with Enright for weeks. She had spoken to him five times and traded emails with him, all about a documentary that he had made about soldiers in Afghanistan.
Tur had also dated Olbermann, although Mediaite reports that the pair split over a year ago.
“The first time I spoke to this guy, I was struck by how incredibly polite he was,” Tur told Olbermann. “He was ‘yes, ma’am,’ ‘no, ma’am,’ very polite on the phone.”
Olbermann closed the interview by calling Tur his “dear friend.” Wow that shows that they had a good relationship but just where not good as a couple happens alot when dating. Also OO I do not listen to people who want to bash and assume they know how people that are celebrites break up, people like that show that they care nothing about truth and only care about gossip. OO unless you were there when they were dating, than you have no right to assume that you know why they broke up. You really show that OO is everything that they claim KO is. Your post is showing me that you are the arrogant one and that KO has no idea how to be arrogant. I some who loves his personality and would care crap if he was make me love him more, that is how I know that you are lying. You really are so igorant when it comes to who KO is and do not say different because that will be another lie.That story turned out not to be true, first that guy does not get that KO did not wear orange shoes, he wore black fingershoes, so that person never worked with KO. I worked with him on Countdown at MSNBC for 2 ½ years, and the whole time he was on FNiA. I am an NBC employee, so I didn’t work FOR him, I work for NBC. Keith is mostly right, we had very little turnover in the studio over the years I was there. Same stage manager, same camera people. He had nothing do to with the stage crew. There was one incident where he asked a stagehand not be hired back, because the guy came into the small studio when Keith was on the air. That was a bit unfair, because the guy was sent in to look for something, by his boss, but that was it.
On FNiA, one night he accused a sound guy of stepping on his foot, and asked that he not be back. The guy swore it wasn’t him. He was given the next week off, with pay, and then was back on the show after that.
Keith’s a bit weird, but I like him. We sat on the pirate ship in Tampa, and watched the Super Bowl together the last time it was on NBC.
I don’t know how he was in the offices, just in the studio, but your informant isn’t being truthful.
Bob Friend
Studio 8G Head Electrician, NBC
Also KO debunked that guy and he could not refute here is what happened Let’s explore facts here, you Mike listen to gossip websites and say that those sites are telling the truth, that story that was put out 9n months ago was debunked here is what KO said has decided to take to his Twitter to complain about our post, to our infinite shock and surprise. And now (Update 2) he’s responded to our email. His response:
As I pointed out on twitter, your “source” is easily proved as a fake. The “anchor producer” never sat inside the studio and would not have been visible by any camera for any bump shot – but of course we also never did any bump shots.
The turnover figure is laughably wrong. Of the top 20 staffers on Countdown when we started in 2003, 17 were still there the day I left. In fact, three of them went with me to Current, and one of them who’d left MSNBC rejoined me over here (his fourth separate stint working with and for me) – all unlikely events if any of the stuff made up by your “source” was true.
As to the overall characterization of my conduct as an employer and employee I would point out again: prior to my Current gig I’ve had nine full time employers. Three have rehired me later in my career (CNN, MSNBC, ESPN) and three others asked me to come back but we couldn’t work it out.
I will admit the traumatic shopping story is very, very funny. But you’ve been seriously punked here, and here Seeing your reply online I’ll point out again there are simple black-and-white failures of the verisimilitude test. We didn’t do bump shots. The producer was never in the studio. There were also no post-its and there was never any “construction” I requested nor some sort of process by which you go to HR to complain about somebody’s perfume – I mean, in what office have you ever heard about that, which your “source” treats as if it were a daily event. At first I thought this person might have worked at MSNBC but not at Countdown. Rereading the piece I can see its far likelier he or she has never worked in an office of any kind. Seriously, guys, for the six years I was a local sportscaster in LA there was an LA Times columnist who kept printing these predictions of the imminence of my firing from his secret “source.” Only after all that time did one of the editors find out that the “source” was a sportscaster on a rival station who had a screw loose and an obsessive fear that I would eat into his ratings. You have a funny and occasionally informative site – don’t become a travesty. Also here is some that signs there name and is not a amous source and says thisI worked with him on Countdown at MSNBC for 2 ½ years, and the whole time he was on FNiA. I am an NBC employee, so I didn’t work FOR him, I work for NBC. Keith is mostly right, we had very little turnover in the studio over the years I was there. Same stage manager, same camera people. He had nothing do to with the stage crew. There was one incident where he asked a stagehand not be hired back, because the guy came into the small studio when Keith was on the air. That was a bit unfair, because the guy was sent in to look for something, by his boss, but that was it.
On FNiA, one night he accused a sound guy of stepping on his foot, and asked that he not be back. The guy swore it wasn’t him. He was given the next week off, with pay, and then was back on the show after that.
Keith’s a bit weird, but I like him. We sat on the pirate ship in Tampa, and watched the Super Bowl together the last time it was on NBC.
I don’t know how he was in the offices, just in the studio, but your informant isn’t being truthful.
Bob Friend
Studio 8G Head Electrician, NBC, so sorry there is no truth that KO is hard to work with, I do not listen to gossip sites, also this is a guy that does not understand bump shoots, here is what a fan and me who watch the show can say that a producer would not be able to use those shoots, here is what a fan saysWell, the ‘anonymous source’ mentions bump shots and claimed to be visible in them as an anchor producer. This is easily verifiable as false by watching Countdown and noticing the total lack of bump shots. Anyone passingly familiar with television and with Olbermann’s show knows that the ‘source’s claim to authenticity actually instantly reveals him as a liar.
So, it’s pretty obvious Olbermann’s right here.Well, the ‘anonymous source’ mentions bump shots and claimed to be visible in them as an anchor producer. This is easily verifiable as false by watching Countdown and noticing the total lack of bump shots. Anyone passingly familiar with television and with Olbermann’s show knows that the ‘source’s claim to authenticity actually instantly reveals him as a liar. So again you only show that KO is not hard to work with, I like you to explain why KO got alot of his former staff to go with him to Current, someone was with him since he was at ESPN, wow that guy is so hard to work with, why did a guy have a manger for how many years and only broke recently. KO had a producer that was with him until she got a promotion to cheif excutive, so she did not leave because Ko was bad, here is how Hyatt is Just the way you said — with, recall, the additional sudden departure of the manager with whom he was working most closely at Current, Mark Rosenthal (who had started Current on the right track, whereupon Hyatt reclaimed his CEO title from him, and he left, 7-29-11.) Keith reportedly was upset about the loss of Rosenthal from the organization. And then came Bohrman, 8-8-11.
Re saying too much or the wrong thing, I’ve been noticing On Twitter he’s giving brief answers to enquiries. It’s actually getting monotonous (a good thing in this instance!): “Keith, did you really do/say X,Y,Z?” –”No.” “Unnamed sources are saying this about you.”–”Don’t believe everything you hear.” Etc. He’s not initiating many digs at Current.
Wow again I suppose to believe him on working well with others, also here is something else I don’t buy for a minute that Keith’s colleagues feel anything like that about him. Most of them have been with him for years. Jean Sage had been his one and only agent for over a quarter of a century, until just recently when he hired that big outfit from LA.
He treats his staff like gold, giving them the credit for suggesting ideas that make the show successful and making him look good — everything you wish YOUR boss would do. The proof is all out there where everyone can see it.
The only people who seem to have a problem with Keith are M-A-N-A-G-E-R-S.
I’m buying what the CJR guy suspects — that all or most of that crap came from Griffin, to puff himself up. (Notice that Keith refers to “Kurtz’s hysteric source” — singular.) here is it about the staffers from MSNBC that are joining him NY Post has today deliberately run a false piece implying no MSNBC staffers have joined me on new show. 5 have plus 12 contributors – so far
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Again Mike this is from someone that cares crap about how well KO plays with others and cares crap about his personality and I can even see that you again show how ingorant you are when it comes to KO. KO gets along with his staff just fine, he was the one that gave bonuese and he even prasied them saying that it was the best about Countdown, amyous sources from gossip sites Mike again do not show that KO is hard to work well with others, that just shows that you cannot tell gossip from facts. So facts you put out a article from a gossip site by a ammouys source that does not get that producers are not in bump shots and I suppose to beleive that shows that Ko is bad, wow do you live in a fantasy world, MIke those are not facts those are lies and made up gossip, again you take lying sites and gossip sites are truthful, you show everyday why KO is this generations Murrow and why his personality has nothing to do with him being fired. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more with your BS posts. KO again I will be pissed if you do not get the justice you deserve for getting unjustily fired at Current, your personality is just fine, just like your ego, those are many reasons why I love you. Keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me. Mike keep embarrassing yourself, again this story has already been debunked, you really do not know what facts are, a story that has been debunked Mike is not a story that has facts in it. Gawker is not a factual site, keep embarassing yourself and making me love and resepct KO more and more,and show why he will always be around. KO love you fautls and all, and again will be pissed if you do not get the justice that you deserve for being unjustily fired at Current.
Again you are showing that not only do you not know what assumptions are you do not know what opions are. Again you show why KO is this generations Murrow. This guy never worked for KO, and wrote a lying piece. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more, with your ignorance on who he is.
KO is fine to work with, in my opoin he like everyone, thier are people that have a hardtime working with him because he is indpendent like that blogger says and that he a prefectionist and thier are people that cannot stand that.
So never put up that crap about hard to work with, that has been debunked and will only show that you love to lie and bash.
Sorry for the ones that want to talk baseball, I just had to put that out for trolls that need to be limited from this blog.
KO keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life. Love you faults and all.
History, is this a new world record? I think it is your longest reply!
Did not mean it to be, I just get sick of the trolls and just want them to go away.
I do know that would will not happen by ignoring them.
Dear Keith,
Happy Birthday yesterday! I terribly, terribly miss your special comments and news reporting, and “worst people in the world”. It’s been over a year since your untimely departure. I’m one of the millions who misses your show and would love to see you back online, maybe even a weekly webvideo on a new website would be great.
best regards,
Katie (from San Francisco)
I agree with all that you say, but I think that I like that he doing what he is now also. I think that KO should take his time, after the way that he got abused at Current, I hope he gets the justice on that one, so I am happy that I can read him on twitter and here. Still think he should do a baseball show. I do know that KO is on to bigger and better things, KO keep showing why you are this generations Murrow, and as long as you are yourself you will always have a fan in me. Love you faults and all.
lol ya i will only meant the people arguing the expense of 1k are prolly those rarely respec@pisces /agree 1000000x world of warcraft gold http://spotunaruc1652.tumblr.com%2
The guy talking to the Mick is Joe ” pepi ” Pepitone.
Keith- Could Photo #1 be a young Bobby Murcer? And photo # 2: A little-known fact, but having a cup of coffee with the Yanks was Dan Quayle.
That is an intersting thought
My husband is Dan Plante who played for the Yankees organization in late 70s and early 80s. I will get his input and I am amazed as they all look similar..
That is really cool that your husband got to do that. I love hearing things like that one.
Wow let’s face it that you love to posting things that have hate in them, and words that have hate in them. Wow keep showing me that you have no idea what tolerance is. You really show why KO is this generations Murrow and why he on to bigger and better things.
Once again Moderators their is a troll on the loose.
Wow again you really love to use hateful qutos and stuff that shows that you have no idea what tolerance is and do not say different because that would be a lie.
Again moderators we have a troll on the loose, please remove along wtih my posts to them.
Let people be able to talk baseball.
Also to the troll keep embarassing yourself by showing that you are everything that you claim KO is, do not say different because that would be a lie.
Get off the blog and go to we love to bash KO blogs, and let people talk baseball.
KO keep being yourself and showing that you are great on baseball as you are on everything else, again woud love to see a baseball show out of you. YOu really make the sport intersting.