Not So Big Mac After All
A full week of exhibition games in, and Mark McGwire is clearly not on his way to setting a single-season record for confrontational interviews. Not even TMZ-style ambush.
Sure, sure, they’re pulling his name off his highway in Missouri and given it to Mark Twain (begging the question: they’re just now getting around to honoring Mark Twain?). But this today, from the local paper in Naples, Florida, seems to be more representative of the overall tone to the start of the McGwire post-steroid, post-I-did-it-for-my-health-interview, era:
“There is a lot of negativity and failure in baseball. It’s nice to talk about how positive it can be. I’m a positive person,” McGwire said.
With that apparently not ironic use of “positive” there, presumably psychiatrists have just upgraded Mac a few notches in preparation for their upcoming Psychology Rotisserie Draft. But we move on.
There are three ways to read the slow start to McGwire Season. Firstly, it’s just that, a slow start. The real tests start Friday when the Cardinals play the Red Sox, and then next Monday as they begin a virtual playoff series with the Mets (also Saturday, a week from Thursday, the 28th, and 30th – should you want to start circling your calendar). The players are irrelevant; the writers mattered. One can infer from giving New York’s Grouchiest five separate shots at Mac, that the schedule was either drawn up long before McGwire’s hiring, or somebody in St. Louis really doesn’t like Mark.
The second theory is that McGwire’s return really is no big deal, positive or negative, and the writers have correctly gauged the spirit of the times. Since the writers only correctly gauge the spirit of the times once every 12.7 years (and when they do, 60 percent of them ignore it and write anyway), I’m not putting a lot of money on this one.
The third one, I think, is the likeliest. Mark McGwire is simply being forgotten to death. The first evidence of this syndrome – a kind of psychological universal asterisk – was apparent when ESPN’s Barry Bonds Reality Show bombed. It did not generate controversy, it was not attacked as exploitive, it wasn’t even criticized as bad TV. It was just that outside the Bay Area and a small circle of other admirers, nobody wanted to hear from or about Barry Bonds, ever again. As if by a collective unspoken will: Barry Bonds hit more home runs, and Henry Aaron is still baseball’s all-time home run leader.
Perhaps this invisible fog is now enveloping McGwire. Nobody’s raising a stink, because nobody takes him seriously.
Maybe the Missouri Department of Transportation should have re-named the McGwire Highway after another former Cardinals hero: Roger Maris.
FROM A RESEARCHER’S NOTEBOOK:
Imagine if this had happened a little later in baseball’s history – it wouldn’t have been labeled “trivia.” When the Dodgers played an exhibition against the Braves in Vero Beach on March 11, 1967, two late, one-inning defensive replacements for Los Angeles included first baseman Sadaharu Oh, and third baseman Shigeo Nagashima. There’s even an Associated Press wire photo of one of the Japanese immortals, Nagashima, taking a throw as Atlanta’s Jim Beauchamp slides into third. The photo is not on the net, only in a digitized version of the Chicago Tribune’s hard copy, so it’s tough to be certain but it appears Nagashima is wearing not a Dodgers’ uniform, but his Tokyo Yomiuri Giants’ garb.
FROM A PERSONAL NOTEBOOK:
Belated thanks to all who have posted comments lately with well wishes for my father, who continues to fight his illness, more than two weeks after he lost wakefulness, and more than six months after he was first hospitalized. Your support is of great value to me (and my thanks to MSNBC for its understanding in this time, and, for that matter, MLB.Com, for providing this oasis where I can immerse myself in the game between trips to his bedside). This is, in fact, what baseball is for.
I’d also like to welcome new reader Bill Simmons, who has been kind enough to tweet about my note here last week already ceding him the dumbest sportswriting award of 2010 for his laugh-out-loud funny argument that the comeback of Tiger Woods (caught having repeated trouble with his putts) will be more difficult than that of Muhammad Ali (persecuted by the federal government for the color of his skin, his stance against the war, and his religious conversion, and effectively banned from his sport for two years).
Mr. Simmons tweets:
I’m furious that my Tiger column distracted America from a detailed and only mildly creepy case for Johnny Orsino’s Hall of Fame candidacy.
This is pretty standard stuff for Mr. Simmons. Make a fool of yourself comparing Tiger Woods (loss of advertisers) to Muhammad Ali (loss of income, threatened loss of freedom), so change the topic – to an admittedly trivial column about a trivial moment from a marginal catcher named John Orsino.
Mr. Simmons resumes:
KO, please know the feeling is mutual. You’re my worst case scenario for my career in 12 yrs: a pious, unlikable blowhard who lives alone.
This assumes that Mr. Simmons’ career now is where mine was twelve years ago (anchoring SportsCenter, then my own MSNBC political show, anchoring NBC Weekend Nightly News, writing a best-selling sports book, etc). In fact, this assumes that this is Mr. Simmons’ career, which is remarkable. Also, anybody who could write as many words without saying anything of consequence really should throw around the word “blowhard” as frequently as he would a street sewer cover.
Also, I don’t think “pious” necessarily means what he thinks it does.
Having made his point 50% of his words ago, Mr. Simmons still continues. As usual:
I feel bad about saying Olbermann lives alone. I forgot about his cats.
Mr. Simmons apparently uses, for factual research, old parody sketches from “Saturday Night Live.” I’m not surprised. That was Ben Affleck. Thanks for playing.
I am surprised, however, to be able to shed some light on something that has been a prominent topic of late around the internet: the prospect that Mr. Simmons is leaving ESPN. Admittedly I am something of an authority on this process. Nonetheless, I was stunned to receive several emails from some of Mr. Simmons’ bosses there, thanking me for pointing out the absurdity of, and the embarrassment to ESPN provided by, the Woods/Ali comparison.
About five years ago, I guess, somebody said Tony Kornheiser was the most uncontrollable, unmanageable talent in the history of ESPN. I was, of course, crushed (although I believe I got honorable mention). When ESPN bosses are writing me for helping them about somebody they claim has now lapped Tony and myself, I am left to conclude only that if Mr. Simmons does leave ESPN, it may not be entirely of his own choosing.
And we now encourage Mr. Simmons to again falme the comments section under various identities, to his heart’s content. This is a managed site, and they can take ‘em down. But enjoy yourself.
- Posted on March 8, 2010 at 2:24 pm
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Keith, do you realize that he actually tried to grievously and cruelly insult you by comparing you to a *woman*?
This guy needs to have the word CRAFTSMAN stamped on his forehead as a warning to the rest of the world.
Keith — In fairness to Simmons, maybe he couldn’t use “santimonious” and get under the 140 character limit?
I kid.
I don’t think “falme” necessarily means what you think it does.
Excuse me. Watch the woman insult.
KO, I too, am watching Spring Training games through MLB.com. I am having so much fun, the mini view while preparing budgets, etc.
Know that you do not believe, but he and you, are prayerfully thought about.
Humh, Barry Bonds Reality Show…. heck, I live in the Bay Area, love the Giants, and I never even HEARD of this show! It really must not have gotten any advertising.
S. Ray
“Bonds on Bonds” I believe was the name of it. I personally enjoyed the previous “reality show” featuring Bonds, in which ESPN made poor, Pedro Gomez follow Bonds around like a hapless puppy dog for a couple seasons, as Bonds fraudulently chased down history. Ahhh, precious memories.
McGwire… McGwire… I’m sure I’ve heard that name somewhere before…. oh well. It’ll come to me eventually. I love baseball, but I hate what steroids and money have done to the sport, and to the players. I will always watch and enjoy, but I think I could appreciate it more if those two items weren’t such a huge consideration. Then again, I suppose nothing in life is ever truly pure, though… so enjoy what you can and don’t let the negative stuff wear you down, right? P.S. – love the irony of McGwire saying he’s “positive”. Wow. Glad to hear your father is hanging in there. This has been a rough year for a lot of people, and it has barely started. Wishing you both strength and happiness, wherever you can find it. As to that last item, I saw some of the madness. What a crazy couple of days that was. Glad they can clean up the site, though. One last thing – how do you think the Mariners will do this year? I’m hoping for a good year, but I have no idea. Would love to see your predictions on that one. Thanks.
Mr. Olbermann, I appreciate your work however I find it funny that there never seem to be any posts that disagree with you. You state that you believe Bill Simmons is secretly commenting on your posts under false names. I have a question, are you serious? You mention that the site is regulated and comments can be removed so given that information I’m sure this will be removed too simply because I’m questioning the almighty Keith Olbermann. I can assure you I’m not Bill Simmons, in fact I’m not, nor have I ever been a fan of his. You have every right to criticize his argument about Tiger and Ali, however having comments removed because they go against what you think is ridiculous and it completely discredits you as a reporter.
Sincerly,
Not Bill Simmons
@ms1010 – A typo is easily corrected and forgiven, unlike Simmons’ laundry list of research errors he’s made. Seriously, check out the guy’s blog. He says, himself, that he’s going to hire INTERNS to help him clean up all the mistakes.
Anyway….
Mark McWhiner’s lot in life seems on the verge of being summed up by an Oscar Wilde quote: “The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.” You know you’ve hit bottom when they take your name off a highway previously named after you…ROTFL!
Too bad that pic of Nagashima in his Jaiantsu (=Giants) uniform isn’t on the “internets”, as that would be interesting to look at. I’ve never seen the older Jaiantsu uniforms.
I hope I’m not being presumptuous by saying great minds think alike, but I think you’ll be amused by my observations of Bill Simmons’ “research” on my Twitter account (tweets #1-#5). On an unrelated note, you might also be amused by the Beck video I made (link in tweet #17). Linkage: http://twitter.com/silverojo
I found it interesting and hilarious, that you actually got e-mails from some of Simmons’ bosses, in reference to his absurd Woods/Ali comparison…thanking you for pointing it out, no less! I hope this does lead to a less-than-amicable departure from ESPN. Anyone who would insult Ali by comparing his struggle to Tiger Woods’ entirely preventable scandal doesn’t deserve to be with any reputable media organization. Simmons and Woods do have something in common, however; Simmons doesn’t know when to keep his mouth zipped, and Woods doesn’t know when to keep…something else zipped.
I’m terribly sorry to hear that your dad still hasn’t awakened, but I hope that his white blood cell count numbers are improving. I’m working on a little tribute to him, which I’ll post to this blog when it’s ready. Stay tuned, and stay strong…but allow yourself those moments of weakness when you need them. Because sometimes the greatest strength is being able to acknowledge when you’re feeling vulnerable.
I would have to believe this is Mark McGwire’s attempt at winning back the fans. His objective I should think right now is to get into the Hall of Fame. Or perhaps not. Maybe he just misses the game. I don’t know. Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Clemens, Manny. So many damn good ballplayers who didn’t have to go down that road. But the money was there. The accolades. The need to be the best. Was it worth it to them? I bet they have learned that nothing is worth cashing in on your integrity. Nothing. Especially when you hit the big leagues. If you’re fortunate, you have 10-15 years to give it all you have with the abilities you possess. And then leave with your head held high as you pass the torch to a new generation. That’s baseball.
Hopefully we can all move on, just as we always do. I hope the fans and the writers in New York and Boston come to realize that McGwire is not worth hating or loathing any longer. None of those players are. They’ve been exposed. The HOF is most likely out of their reach. That should be enough. Except for one thing – seeing to it that Roger Maris gets into the HOF – where he belongs – as per attached article.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/berniemiklasz/story/8F8F0D5281410DC3862576AB001480A4?OpenDocument
In the meantime, it’s time to concentrate on the players of today and a new baseball season.
“Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday’s success or put its failures behind and start over again. That’s the way life is, with a new game every day, and that’s the way baseball is.” Bob Feller
For the record, the Orsino post was awesome and one of the reasons I love coming here. DON’T EVER CHANGE OLBAHMANN!
First of all, to those in the comments section: “Falme” is a derivation of “Flame” and is combined, in essence, with “Fail”. It was originally a typo that was adopted by bloggers, much like the word “moran” which came from a sign held by…. (wait for it) a moron. Which fits some of the comments left by those who came to the defense of Simmons over the weekend. Not all of the comments were bad, but quite a few were, and fit the definition of “falme”. They were flaming Keith, but many failed because they were rude, derisive, or extremely offensive without having any real substance. Name-calling does not count as legitimate debate, which is unfortunate for those who engage in it and seem to know little else. To the other person who seems to think Keith Olbermann will have his comment removed: Do you see the words underneath each comment? “Report any abuse or spam”? Those are there for people who frequent this blog and the others here at MLB.com. They are there so that offensive posts can be reported and removed – by anyone who posts here. That means that the offensive posts were not removed by Keith himself, but by people who were offended by name-calling and extremely offensive language. And when someone starts wishing people dead – YES, that is offensive.
Hang in there Keith, so glad you are with your Dad at this time. Blessings upon you and yours.
Mr. Olbermann:
I am not in the media, and even I had been hearing about how Simmons loyal following was dominating You Tube hits as a result of a mention in his column- you HAD to know this- your intentional effort to take him on confirms my suspicion you do all of this for controversy/publicity, sort of like a modern day Howard Cosell- you making 7 mill a year, I have to say it is working.
Congrats.
Once again, a thoughtful entry.
That said, how naive and arrogant are you to think that all pro-Simmons comments must be left by Simmons himself? For crying out loud, he’s the most-read internet sportswriter and his book hit #1 on the NYTimes Bestseller list. How can you not expect his readers to show up on your blog in his defense? Let’s hope you just made a failed attempt at sarcasm.
And just humble up and admit it: both you and Simmons are engaging, thoughtful, and successful, albeit in totally different ways. You need to understand that his Woods/Ali argument was not about who’s comeback resonated with greater political/cultural significance; that’s obviously a no-brainer. It was about the degree of difficulty in bouncing back from a purely athletic standpoint.
could care less about bill simmons or tiger (though there has NEVER been a good reason to compare him to ali), i just wanted to take a second to wish you well in what are undoubtedly the most difficult of times. keep your eye on the ball kid, and remember whats important….its not bill simmons
I love baseball.
“Anyone who would insult Ali by comparing his struggle to Tiger Woods’ entirely preventable scandal doesn’t deserve to be with any reputable media organization.”
That would be an insightful comment if that was what the debate was about. No one is comparing their reason for “exile”, only the difficulty in coming back relative to the public sentiment directed towards them at the time.
Too funny. A couple of the Simmons commenters accused Keith of making up new names and logins in order to defend himself, so when he makes the same accusation back (but with a dash of wit)…. they just don’t get it.
Gotta love it.
Gashouse- You show you have no idea what a adult is. Bill Simmons has not acted like an adult on this that is pure bull and pure fiction the guy who has acted like the adult is one you say you lost respect for. You in truth lost respect for Keith becuse Keith is suppose to agree with you and only critze the people that should be critized also gashouse writting a 3000 pase article does not show that what Bill Simmons is saying is true and not absured wow I guess if Keith put out a crazy idea that people like barry bounds does not need to apologize for steriod use and because he wrote a 3000 page article all of sudden it makes sense wow that is beyond navie. I guess you think that Glen Beck is right in not knowing the difference between slavery and immigration because he wrote a book. If simmons was a adult he would a ignore olbermann or B wrote a article or twitter going point by point showing were Keith and his other critcs are wrong instead he just insults those critcs and call them out personal. Clue saying a guy not have talent is not a personal attack but saying a guy is a blowhard and and repating what that person says while makinhg a big deal that KO is single which has zero to do with the piece and while KO fans tell KO they agree or disagree His fans go on Olbermann’s blog and attack him personal and worse than what KO said and you think KO is one acting like a child. Please do yourself a favor and think before you type and maybe you will see that it has been KO along and his fans who have acted like adults.
I don’t know about you, gashouser… but I would rather see a good message poorly delivered, than a lie delivered with grace and panache. That’s one reason I like reading Keith’s blog and watching his show – he delivers truth, reason and compassion… with wit, style, and brilliance. We get the best of both worlds. Unfortunately, far too many of his detractors here have given out nothing more than attacks on his character, and vicious name-calling. Very little in the way of reasoned argument. Nothing beautiful or interesting there. What a shame. To Keith – loved the Twain/Clemens update. Nice.
And I’ll echo those who have sent their best wishes to you and your father. It’s a shame that some don’t seem to understand that it really is possible to care about people we’ve never met – people other than ourselves. It would be a better world if everyone had that capacity. Good luck to both of you, and be well.
“caught having repeated trouble with his putts” Ha! Good one. My Yiddish is limited and out of use.
Hello Keith, I just want to send my best wishes to you & your dad and to tell you how much we all miss you.
Lawrence is doing a great job, but he is not you
Hurry back dude
Correction I meant Glen beck saying that the Constitution has a clause about immigration. Also gashouse if you yourself want to act or show KO how to act like one instead of saying that you lost respect because KO did something you did not like you could tell him why that article was right on Ali and woods. gas people are not perfect even KO will tell you he is not perfect so I have hard time with people who once someone does something they do not like they all of sudden lose respect i would like to know if you say that to your friends and family who disagree with you. I have brother in law who thinks that KO is mean but i do not say I have lost respect for him because he and i think differently on olbermann.
Husky KO offering his opinion about someone is not starting controversy. I guess the fact that simmons likes to attack his critics is also starting controversy you just showed that you a hypocrite you cannot say that one person stating his opinion is starting fights when that person who you are defending is doing the same thing.
tamsun wow so KO if you had read it is showing satire because a blogger in his past piece accused him of doing just that and other fans have done it also is not being arrogant wow talk about bashing. Also if you think about this KO was being serious than maybe you have to conclude that he may not have know that so please do not tell me that just because KO said that it was BS does not make him arrogant. You are proving my point to gashouse what a child looks like. Instead of getting angry at this refute why KO is wrong about the piece BS wrote.
Braves, braves braves i will tell you if you actually read what KO said you will know that KO got the whole of the article. bravs as a history buff i will tell you that what you and BS are saying is beyond crazy. You need to read a book about 60′s and see what a crazy time it was. And Ali changed his religion protested a war and was imprisoned people back than and even now though we are not in Vietnam people still have a hard time aspecting people that are Muslm and if that person protested Iraq or Afghanistan than the suspension would come about that suspension that was a terrioest sympathies think how many times there is a tragedy and when that person is found out to be Muslim people all sudden think that person is sympathizing with the terroist. Than you add the imprisonment and all of a sudden you are deep trouble with the public. The other reason is boxing is a sport that has a lot of stars, so it easy for people and the sport to survive and move on no matter how much that person tried to show that the only did because the had to be true to themselves. tiger did something that this public has already forgiven think Bill clinton hey Micheal Vick was put in jail for dog fighting but people already have forgiven him and football is a sport that like boxing you can find another star and it will be fine, same with Koby Braynt. The other reason is that golf is sport that does not have as many well know stars as basketball, boxing or football Tiger is the only one, so that sport as a whole depends on tiger for its survival or should be able to stand out to get people other than golfer fans to watch. This is why it does not matter how well written the article is it still a wrong assumption and that is why BS and his fans are having a hard time defending it so instead realizing that they may have made a mistake they think it easier to attack the messenger. This is the same tactic that i see the right and fox news do when they called out on thier lies. KO even posted the article to ask you if he was right. so again think before you type.
Mark claimed he’s a “positive person,” huh? PAGING DR. FREUD! I doubt the enhanced Mr. MacGuire even got the irony of his comment. And, I’m sorry to have to disagree with the lateness of Mark Twain being “honored” by a highway; I haven’t read a darn think from Twain that I’ve liked. HUCK FINN is particularly odious; I had to read it AGAIN in a literary criticism class in grad school & barely got through the thing.
gashouse Wow you are talking about prettiness I have a problem with spelling that has nothing to do with my education thank you and i do not drink. I have a question for you why is okay for BS who from what I see acts way more petty than KO does you show you you have no clue what hypocrisy means also i watch Countdown explain how telling truth about people which is what KO does is being petty. Also how is KO stating his opinion is being petty and how someone doing something you do not like mean al sudden you lose respect. Also what are doing but defending BS and you are getting on my case for defending and telling you why I think KO is right. You also did not answer how BS has been a adult about this when I have shown you he has not and KO has. Also again read the article KO is not showing his pettiness he arguing back the assaults that BS put on him so get your head out the sand and stop attacking people that are trying to tell you why you are wrong.
blurr- Do I would love for you to have a parent who is sick and have to be the one that has to take care of them than tell me that KO is wrong for missing days. You show that you have no clue what heart is. I may not be a fan of BS but if that guy was in KO’s situation I would not be bloging saying that he is being fired and other crap. Also KO is not being fired his ratings unlike what you KO haters like to think is not going anywhere. Explain why is MSNBC number two in the ratings now beating CNN. The only time CNN beat Msnbc was when it was Haiti hurricane in January which is what CNN is know for being there for breaking and big news. Every show that is not a Fox show for all of January and February are down KO, RM and MSNBC as a whole cannot lose half their viewers from last year when January was a inauguration and Hati cover this year and with the olympics which was beating everybody. again show that you have heart and see that KO is absent dealing with more important things than a Tv show.
Forget about debating the respective merits and writing abilities of Simmons and Olbermann. If the volume of comments on Simmons-related entries relative to that of any other one is any indication, we can probably infer who is the more popular, at least in cyberspace. This is a niche blog and Olbermann did himself a great favor publicity-wise by inadvertently picking this fight.
Gas house You sir once again show why KO is not petty and you are. I have bad time with grammer and that makes me a third grader. By the way i have high school and community college degree and i also have a disability. Olbermann sir did understand the context because gas that was what Olbermann was saying is that the plight of what tiger did and what Ali did are different. You would know that if you had read the article. Also i hate to break it to you but from what i am reading on the internet aka deadspin BS has attacked other people for questioning his writing instead of defending what he writes. It also seems from what i read that this guy does this when someone criticizes him. Also someone notices that he also does not always follow through on his says aka hiring a intern to correct his mistakes. Learn gas from what i said up top KO is not perfect I do not expect him to be but why are making it out like BS is a saint who is above criticism all you Bs fans from what i see do this and makes me sick because it shows you care only about the person instead of what the criticism is. maybe like that person up to said KO should phrase that differently but that still does not make wrong or he thinks wrong and that certainly does not make him petty. Also why can you not debate KO on that and say he wrong instead of attacking him and say all of sudden you lost respect for him. Also KO was defending his career which if you had been paying attention BS attacked. I will tell you once again KO arguing what he thinks is right is not pettiness. Also That is what KO talked about and I talked about also how does that make KO wrong. Also why did Bs and his fans not say this instead of attacking KO. Also KO did not mention names gas is not making stuff up maybe those people asked KO not to mention thier names how gas do you what was said in those emails that KO read in his email again you show that you have no earthly idea what you are saying. Also you again show why i trust KO instead of you because you have no clue what a adult is you think it okay to call someone a third grader because i think that you are being naive about something I apologize of you took offense to that but please learn spelling has zero to do with passing the third grade has zero to with the article and shows that you are just as bad as the person that you are trying . Also KO has called out republicans and democrats alike on Countdown. Most of the people that he calls out will do the same exact thing that BS and his fans do call him names and say because i do not like what he saying i lose respect. Also if it was okay for KO to call out using the same methods that you are critizing him for now why is not okay for him today. Please instead of fighting me maybe you should think about what you are saying and not try to say things that hypocritically.
Olbermann raises a valid point. Simmons often uses 300 words when 20 would suffice. Word economy!
Historylover: I suggest you check your spelling, grammar, syntax, and general sense of the English language before criticizing other people’s posts and opinions. And to you and KO (whom I once looked up to and took advice from “The Big Show”)…they are people’s opinions. Period. Everyone is entitled to them, whether you agree with them, disagree with them, or are aloof to them. The back-and-forth “I know you are, but what am I?” child-like feud between a bestselling author and a respected TV host is disgusting. If KO disagrees with Simmons’ column, there is no need to turn it into a personal attack- say your piece on the column and the opinion and move on.
gahouse posts getting delated have nothing to do with how thin skinned KO is my posts got deleted also like other people’s did. This if you had read what entireoffitself said you would know that KO does not control what he taken away or what stays there is a little thing at the bottom that a blogger/poster can use if they think a person is saying something that is offensive. Also I checked the first blog post about this and thier are still people on there that disagree and still as I look at this one people who disagree. It gas is the bloggers decision what gets put up and what gets taken out, so stop blaming KO and be mad at the bloggers that removed your posts. It make you realize that name calling is not how debate is. I know i am not perfect and can forget it but I am fine when someone removes my posts because it makes think about what I am saying maybe you should try that and remember argue you bases not name calling. KO thought about that when people called him out the Scott Brown incident and realized he was wrong John Stewart helped him realize it apologized and even admitted he can be over the top that does not sound like someone who really thin skinned.
I should say rethink that maybe my posts did not get removed but still it is important lesson so sorry about that mistake. but please realize that your posts were not the only ones removed. Like I said before it has zero to do with Olbermann
Also gas house I have now decided that I had it with arguing with you. I know that i cannot change your mind and you know that I cannot change yours so instead of arguing about stuff that will not get us anywhere lets just say that we disagree on who was the adult and being petty and who was the child. I apologize again if I called you a name or insulted you I was just trying to show you that Simmons just like Olbermann is not perfect and that it crazy to say that just because you do not like one aspect about a person that does not mean that you throw away all the good aspects that person has. but again if you do like KO fine. I told you I do not like BS but as i said everyone to their own taste. KO i miss you but completely understand why you are not there and will be patient until you comeback. I think you did good telling people what you thought about the article and defending yourself on that. again you show me why I love and admire you even if you do something I may not like aka Billy Crystal throwing.
ESPN did not fire him. What part of KO leaving because of contract negotiations do you not get also show me again from a legitimate news source where katy has left that again would be big news. If was true who cares people break up all the time for different reasons. Again you only attack KO personally with bold face lies at that and you show you care zip about truth Alpah only about bashing people who disagree KO knows more a honesty and integrity than you maybe you should learn what true journalism is and what true honesty is before you bash KO. do not tell me that his audience has left him because if again if that was true than all the shows on CNN CNN Headline News and MSNBC are loosing audience because Fox only saw growth so please zip it with the Bull lies.
Chaps how does my grammar have anything to do with the article and opoin. You prove to me that you like gashouse have no clue what being child like is. You would rather make fun of my grammer and say that I mangily the english language also I was telling gas as I am telling you that is not okay for you to say that BS is above criticism why me and KO are not. I give a rats *** about what you or gas feel about Olbermann what I do care about is that you and gas will bash him and say that it okay for BS to bash him and to say that BS was the adult. That chaps is what I have a problem with. As I told gas but what you seem to not get is that I do not think KO is perfect or above criticism I am sorry if I gave you that impression, but you and gas and a lot of other BS fans need to learn that simmons is not above criticism and also acted like a child lets at least agree on that both are human and could of handle the situation better. Get off my case about grammar.
sflinn that sounds like a general support that boss will say when they are defending someone, also they are more people that run MSNBc than those three and those people could have been angry about what went on and thought it was an embarrassment. Again unless you were there with Olbermann reading the emails you have no clue what you are saying. I am not saying again KO is wrong is saying that but to me the fact that KO used to work there tells me that he has connections and knows that some people were not happy. So I do not think KO made that up.
Sorry meant ESPN
Sflinn first you and others did not read the post KO put up. It was saying that Their was some embarrassment at Espn for what BS had written. KO never said that people were going to fire him. He had come to that conclusion on his own. You might want to read before you assume what KO wrote also, BS did not take the high road I am sick of you fans spurting that Lie. What part of the mutual agreement. attacking KO on his fact that he lives a alone is taking the highroad basically BS did the same thing you are accusing KO and he has done it with anyone that tried to tell him he wrong on the article he has never once refuted their claims. YOu may call me on my love for Olbermann os blinding me that is fine but you need to see that your love for BS is blinding you that you are not seeing that BS has not taken the high road. Also KO’s past at ESPN has zero to do with a boss saying that did not like a article and thanking KO. Unless you were there reading those emails you have no clue is KO is wrong. You keep attacking me for defending Olbermann and say that i need to respect your opion and that Olbermann is not above criticism but you keep acting like BS is. stop with the hypocrisy. Read the post Olbermann put up he was saying some of the bosses were emailing him thanking him for pointing out BS embrassing article. Which lead to KO not those emails to think that BS would get fired. stop assuming things that are not true.
sflinn You are still not reading what KO wrote. Were sflin were you when KO got those emails so how do you know that KO made that up. Also someone editing an article does not mean that they agreed what BS was saying or that they were embarrassed by it. Also what part of BS ersorting to childish retorts on Olbermann do you not get. BS instead of defending his article sflinn made fun of Olbermann’s career and said more personal crap like calling him a blowhard and all KO did was state his professional Opion maybe not worded well but still his opoin and you and others claim that KO was the only one that was childish and continue to think that your man took the high road. Also KO never said unnamed sources he said what he saw not what someone else quoting him. KO not those emails concluded this guy would be fired. I can admit that KO was being childish can you guys admit that you have no clue is those emails were made up because until one of those people come out even if they did and refuted it. It is still a he/said she/said argument which no one knows who is right also I will start believing you sflinn once you and other BS fans start realizing that A your guy acted just as childish as you accuse KO of and B you quit with saying these emails are made up until you know what really happened until than you have no clue what you are talking about just say that KO drew a wrong conclusion. Until than you can quit trying to tell me that the only bad guy in this is Olbermann and that this is a sad day for him. This is a sad day for both. KO should of used better words in arguing the article and not should have made conclusions on what those emails meant, But BS should have refuted KO in showing why he and the rest of the critics of that article are wrong instead of making fun of their career like he did to KO. learn BS acted just as much of child as you are accusing KO of being. You say I’m being blinded by my love for KO from seeing something you want me to see, well sflinn you and others are being blindsided by your love for BS to not realize that guilt is on both not just one.
Also Sflinn do not site me Mediate because it sounds like they are not getting like you that KO concluded about the firing not the emails. Also you need to know that just because those three are his bosses does not mean they have bosses. The reason why this is hard to refute that the emails are made up is that ESPN is a big company. Just say that we agree that both were acting childish and it a sad day for both. I well not take anyone serious who try and tell me KO is the only one to blame. That just showing me that person is just doing the same thing that they accuse me of doing. Again KO is not perfect and that human side is why i love him. I again say BS is not either and as fans you should like that human side and imperfections of him, instead of trying to protect him when and ignore when he was wrong on that one. Also I believe KO on those emails not being made up because even on the internet even by some fans that think KO went to far thought that was a poorly written article. SFinn KO is not the only one who has criticized it. Again you can edit something think at the time that it would be okay than see the backlash and controversy and realize that maybe this incident was an embarrassment.
nomesolke – blame the bloggers that removed those post as one other poster said it is the bloggers decision not mine or Olbermann’s on who stays and who goes. It not my problem that other people are not happy with those post. maybe they are better than me and know when to ignore the name calling. I do not want a job here in that I am not a baseball fan and if I would have ran the site some of those post as much as I may not have liked them I would have kept. Other people just feel like not posting. Which is thier right I am not preventing from people to refute me only that they stay on point without making fun of my grammer and other name calling which I may have been part of and others could have delated those post without any protest from me. Please remember it is the posters who tell the monitors which post to delate not me and not olbermann.
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KO, I have a blog and really need some traffic. If I criticize you repeatedly and make a lame attempt to connect a current sports “hero” to an all-time great, will you repeatedly use my name in a lengthy post?
My thoughts & prayers go out to you and the Olbermann family at this time.
You showed great love and compassion… I am humbled.
I agree, Mark McGwire is really a name of the past, and I think the home-run race between him and BBonds is all but forgotten to people outside baseball fans (who are likely trying to forget it!). Sometimes amnesia can rekindle the spirit, especially in professional sports.
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Also KO was defending his career which if you had been paying attention BS attacked. I will tell you once again KO arguing what he thinks is right is not pettiness. Also That is what KO talked about and I talked about also how does that make KO wrong. testking JN0-304Also why did Bs and his fans not say this instead of attacking KO. Also KO did not mention names gas is not making stuff up maybe those people asked KO not to mention thier names how gas do you what was said in those emails that KO read in his email again you show that you have no earthly idea what you are saying. testking 646-985Also you again show why i trust KO instead of you because you have no clue what a adult is you think it okay to call someone a third grader because i think that you are being naive about something I apologize of you took offense to that but please learn spelling has zero to do with passing the third grade has zero to with the article and shows that you are just as bad as the person
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You would know that if you had read the article. Also i hate to break it to you but from what i am reading on the internet aka deadspin BS has attacked other people for questioning his writing instead of defending what he writes. It also seems from what i read that this guy does this when someone criticizes him. Also someone notices that he also does not always follow through on his says aka hiring a intern to correct his mistakes. Learn gas from what i said up top KO is not perfect I do not expect him to be but why are making it out like BS is a saint who is above criticism all you Bs fans from what i see do this and makes me sick because it shows you care only about the person instead of what the criticism is. maybe like that person up to said KO should phrase that differently but that still does not make wrong or he thinks wrong and that certainly does not make him petty. Also why can you not debate KO on that and say he wrong instead of attacking him and say all of sudden you lost respect for him. Also KO was defending his career which if you had been paying attention BS attacked.
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