The Non-SABRmetric Argument Against Miguel Cabrera
It was my privilege to be part of this morning’s MLB Network Hot Stove roundtable on the real election of 2012 – Cabrera v. Trout (reairs at 4 PM ET if you’re reading this before then).
If you noticed the index cards in my hand, you’ll know that I offered a lot of data - not about VORP or WARP or BABIP or any of the new analytics – but essential hardcore boxscore stuff that undercuts the second biggest argument for Miguel Cabrera as American League MVP: That preference has to be given to the guy on the winning team, and that Cabrera ‘carried the Tigers on his back into the playoffs.
Firstly, the Tigers finished with only the seventh best record in the American League. That’s seventh out of fourteen. In the pre-division days they used to call that The Second Division - and it was a sign of shame. As it applies to this topic, there is also this embarrassing reality:
Angels (Trout’s team) 89 wins, 73 losses
Tigers (Cabrera’s team) 88 wins, 74 losses
The Angels, playing in a far tougher division, won more games than the Tigers did – yet any MVP doubt is supposed to fall on Cabrera’s side because he was on “the winner?”
It doesn’t make sense – it’s a remnant of the days when only one team per league made the “post-season” – and it wasn’t Cabrera who won the AL Central, it was Cabrera and the rest of the Detroit team -but I’ll just concede it to Cabrera’s supporters.
What I will not concede is this assumption that Cabrera deserves the MVP over Trout because, since the Tigers made the playoffs, he was necessarily more valuable – especially as the Tigers managed to sneak past the collapsing White Sox ‘down the stretch.’ One of the cards I didn’t get to fully reveal on the show suggests Cabrera was hardly repeating the Carl Yastrzemski feat of 1967 over the last two weeks of the season.
After the games of September 18, the Tigers were two games behind Chicago. The remainder of the season gives us a small but insight-filled sample of what Cabrera did – and what he didn’t do – over the last 15 games.
CABRERA, AFTER 9/18/12:
Games: 15
Average: .291 (16/55)
Homers: 4
RBI: 10
BB: 3
It should be noted that three of Cabrera’s RBI came in one game – on September 29 – and two others came on October 2. So he drove in runs in seven of the Tigers’ 15 stretch games.
And there’s a fascinating statistic from those games. The Tigers only won four of them. In other words, they were 4-and-3 when Cabrera drove in runs in a game…and 6-and-2 when he didn’t.
More confusing to the Cabrera “Pennant-Winner” meme, is Detroit’s record when other Tigers drove in runs in those final fifteen games:
TIGERS RECORD WITH RBI BY…
Prince Fielder 6-1
Alex Avila 4-0
Jhonny Peralta 4-0
Austin Jackson 4-1
Delmon Young 4-1
Andy Dirks 3-1
Miguel Cabrera 4-3
But…those RBI in those four games won those games, right? The MVP surely did something essential in the most essential of simple stats, down the stretch, right?
Not really, no.
This is from a card I was in the middle of reading when Chris Russo cut me off. He had reason to do so.
CABRERA RBI AFTER 9/18/12, DETAILS:
1. 9/19: Tigers leading 4-0 in 7th when Cabrera hits solo HR (6-2 win)
2. 9/22: Tigers leading 7-0 in 4th when Cabrera hits solo HR (8-0 win)
3. 9/23 (1st Game): Scoreless in 4th: Cabrera RBI 2B produces 1-0 lead (10-4 loss)
4. 9/23 (2nd Game): Scoreless in 1st: Cabrera RBI 2B produces 1-0 lead (2-1 loss)
5, 6, 7. 9/29: Tigers leading 2-0 in 7th when Cabrera hits three-run HR (6-4 win)
8. 10/1: Tigers leading 1-0 in 6th when Cabrera hits solo HR (6-3 win)
9, 10. 10/2: Tigers losing 1-0 in 3rd when Cabrera 2-RBI 2B produces 2-1 lead (4-2 loss)
I’d grade the actual game situations in which Cabrera produced as ‘tepid.’ Two of his RBI (and half of his homers) were clearly unnecessary tack-on runs. His three-run blast on September 29th would prove necessary when the Tiger bullpen melted down; the solo job on October 1st might have been necessary – hindsight can’t give us a clear answer. On the other hand, the drove in the first run in both games on September 23rd, and his double wiped out a one-run deficit on October 2nd – and that the Tigers blew all three of those games should not subtract from the clutchness (clutchiness?) of those hits.
My point in here is not to dismiss what Cabrera did for the Tigers as the White Sox plummeted past them. There are countless fielding plays, runner advancements, and just his presence in the lineup to consider as “clutch” contributions. But the RBI-by-RBI examination proves conclusively that Miguel Cabrera did not carry the Tigers on his back down the stretch. He was not the slam-dunk MVP of his own team at the team it mattered the most. Without fine-toothed comb examinations of each game it’s hard to say who was, though the superficial data suggests it was Fielder.
I’ve already gone on at length about why I don’t think the Triple Crown matters in MVP voting (it’s outdated analytics, as dangerously misleading as if we based the voting on the first set of statistics that were so popular pre-1871, which was a ratio of Runs Scored to Outs Made). But I added one bit of research that underscores Rob Neyer’s point that if you have a Triple Crown, it usually means that a lower-than-normal average or homer or RBI total has proved to lead the league in what can only be described as a happy anomaly:
LOWEST AVERAGES TO LEAD AMERICAN LEAGUE SINCE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE DESIGNATED HITTER IN 1973:
.326 Bill Mueller, Boston, 2003
.328 Joe Mauer, Minnesota, 2008
.329 George Brett, Kansas City, 1990
.330 Miguel Cabrera, Detroit, 2012
.331 Michael Young, Texas, 2005
Cabrera won the Triple Crown – in part – because batting average was way lower than usual, and he produced the fourth lowest average among the last 40 A.L. batting champions during a year in which he had terrific homer and RBI numbers.
So you don’t have to go to WARP or VORP or VOR-WARP to deflate the Cabrera MVP qualifications. Good old-fashioned numbers and easy to read details can do it for you.
Oh, by the way, about clutch? During that same post-9/18 time, Trout went 16/52 (.308) with three homers, six RBI, and ten walks. Moreover, after August 19th, as the rest of the Angels made their feeble attempt to stay alive in the West, they were unbeaten…in games in which Mike Trout drove in runs.

Ask the pitchers who they would rather face in a “clutch” situation…
Not surprised. Everyone loves to $hit on Detroit why should Keith Olbermann, who hasn’t been in the sports world in a decade, be any different. Mike Trout had a great season but Miggie was far more feared a batter.
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So because KO has not been in sports that means that he does not know what he talks about. Excuse me, that is the most craziest thing that I have heard all day. KO you did a great job on Hot Stove and once again wrote a great article, you really do have really neat handwriting. Also like to say that once again you make me love and respect you more and more, because you again show what a real debate is. Also I have to say that I would never want to debate you, beacuse you come not only prepared, but knowing what you are saying. KO keep again sorry that you got absued at Current and hope you get the justice that you deserve for getting your contract broken by them. You show why you are this generations Murrow, and again as long as you are yourself you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life. Love you faults and all. Also KO you look better than you have for as long as I have been a fan. I just want to say that you can get any job in broadcasting that you want, but I think that you should find one that does not have as much stress and pressure, because you look better and probably feel better when you do not need to deal with that. Love you again KO faults and all.
I understand. I truly do. But by making that argument, you are handing over the history of the game to the sabermetricians and statisticians. Bert Blyleven deserved in the HOF, not for his accumulated stats but, for his HOF curveball. Watch it. See it. You just know. With his numbers and that pitch, he was a no-brainer. Similar to Cabrera here. The argument isn’t who had the better stats or added more statistically provable value to their team, it is who was the best player in the league. He won the Triple Crown. The Triple Crown. HOF curveball. Triple Crown. Don’t overthink it. Believe your eyes. Cabrera for MVP.
“Believe your eyes.”
In other words, allow your personal biases and preferences to trump objective data.
Cabrera will probably win the MVP. But Trout should win it.
Makes so much sense…can’t believe anyone see’s it any different
Um. Where are Trout’s “down the stretch” stats here? If I recall correctly, they kinda’ sucked.
I hardly agree with anything Olbermann says and he is far and away right on this. Do your homework people and the truth shall set you free. Let us not forget that while Trout was hitting much tougher AL West pitchers, Cabrera was feasting on the Royals. Please, it’s not even a contest. There is so much that sways this in Trout’s direction and it’s not to discount what Cabrera has done. He had a great season and my second place vote goes to him, despite that he is a complete butcher at third base while Trout is elite defensively.
Unfortunately, Keith, because Cabrera did a triple crown, the votes will fall to him. I didn’t get the impression that anyone else was worried about the other criteria shown as part of the selection process. It is going to be more an emotional vote and not based on sound stats that decide this. It also didn’t sound like too many people were taking the entire season into consideration just the last third of it. What I wish for is Mike Trout win the MVP and Miguel Cabrera be honored for his triple crown. All will be awarded & no one goes home empty handed. BTW You looked hot on the Hot Stove. \o/
Mary
KO basically would agree with you on that, I just watched the show and he was saying just that.
That even though he thought that Trout should win that in the end it going to be Cabrera. Also you are right he did look hot, as again I will say on top, he looked about as good physical as I have seen since I became a fan. It was good to see, it was also good to hear a healthy bartino voice that he has, you can really tell that he was having vocal problems during the last months that he was at Current. Which makes it even more frustrating to me, that Current would not let him get the proper rest that he needed to get that voice to health strength that I heard on Larry King, Baseball Confedential and just now Hot Stove. It proved to me more than ever that Current was the one that broke that contract and that he doing excatly what is right and sue to get the rest of his pay check. Again that interview made me love and respect him more. Also again that interview show that KO needs to in the future when he goes after his next job to get one that does not put so much stress and pressure on himself.
Also I wish the same that you do, both of these guys are worthy of this award and honor for the good seasons that they had, wish that they both could win.
Keith, you talk about stats like the Triple Crown being outdated, yet you want to evaluate the Tigers based on how they would have finished in pre-division MLB. Rather hypocritical.
How is that hypocritical, I was reading and listening to the show, and I did not see anything that showed that he being hypocritical on this subject.
I agree its hypocritical because if one stat is considered outdated to support KO’s argument…all stats in the argument should be “dated” as well…including the “Pre-Division MLB”…same standards for both sides…
“Cabrera won the Triple Crown – in part – because batting average was way lower than usual, and he produced the fourth lowest average among the last 40 A.L. batting champions during a year in which he had terrific homer and RBI numbers.”
Base don tha tloic, Trout is even worse because he had a lower average than Cabrera. I will also point out that a game won in April counts as much as a game won in Sept or October. That is the fallacy of your argument. Why don;t you check the same stats for Trout. he had exactly 2 homers in 10 games. He batted 317, but a single game accounted for 4 of the hits when the season was over for the Angels. The games AFTER the Tigers clinched are not that important.
Bottom line. Which player had the better season? Ask ANY person affiliated with baseball which season you would rather have. The answer is clear. Cabrera in a landslide
Trag
Again how is that hypocritical, so because you and others think that a stat is somehow outdate than that means that everything is, that makes no earthly sense and you are showing that KO has zero clue how to be a hypocrite, you and others have made no agrument and shown no evidence of hypocricracy here. Again you and Beth have put out a BS agrument showing me that you you two have no idea what hypocriacy means. So because one state is pre-division somehow that shows hypocricracy excuse me, but even to someone that is not a baseball fan that is about as stupid of agrument as they come. Keep showing that thier is no hypocricracy in KO agrument and that you and Beth have no idea what the term means. Please keep bashing Ko and showing why he this generations Murrow that is beyond stupid and you know it.
I don’t see how the Tigers having a worse record than the Angels and making the playoffs is the Tigers fault. That is an MLB issue. The MLB should get rid of the divisions and the top 6 teams in each league make it to the playoffs. As far as Cabrera, he should win it. Trout was great but he didn’t put up the numbers Cabrera did, plain and simple. If you give the WAR argument, how come Price won Cy Young over Verlander. Verlander had a higher WAR.
I can’t believe there’s even an argument. I’ve waited my whole life to see a Triple Crown winner, wondering if it would ever happen. His team also wins the division while Trout’s team misses the playoffs– if that is taken into consideration. What’s happening is there is so much hype surrounding the awards, with the Internet and with cable channels, that sportswriters are outsmarting themselves. The obvious thing is to vote for Miguel Cabrera. The cutesy, look-at-me-I’m-an-inside-the-numbers-WAR-guy thing to do is vote for Trout. Fortunately the sportswriters showed by voting for Dickey to win the Cy Young that they are still a few years away from being Keith Law clones with smug, know-it-all assertions on ESPN– long live the old guys who saw Frank Robinson and Yaz and Mickey. These gray-haired writers (if they have hair) use their eyes and their brains, not some computer formula, to make judgments. So let Cabrera win the MVP as a last stand for blue collar baseball.
I agree whole-heartedly with you… fantasy stats are superseding important historical feats like the Triple Crown…thought we’d never see another.
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So because the triple crown is historical that means that they count more than fantasy stats, that agian does not make sense, no wonder you believe that BS agrument by Beth that somehow about a triple crown status being hypocritical, again you show that you are not making a agrument on why Trout should not be there, and showing that KO has no idea how to be a hypocrite, you are showing that you are mad at KO because he agrues against the triple Crown and that is not right and should not happen. Please make me love and respect KO more with these observe arguments.
These gray-haired writers (if they have hair) use their eyes and their brains, not some computer formula, to make judgments.
Dunce. How do you think a “computer formula” comes into existence? Does the computer create it itself?
The high-level statistics have been created by people who ask precise questions about how baseball games are won and lost, and how players do things that win and lose games. Thirty years ago, Bill James didn’t even have a computer. It may gall you to think that Nate Silver knows more about baseball than you do, but he does.
Thanks for that, DJ. Even for a non baseball fan I do not get these two agruments on that one.
No and no. But the mind that creates the computer formula isn’t the same mind that evaluates baseball talent. It’s like asking Tony LaRussa to create a computer.
Nice. I seem to see the world a little different after reading Keith’s blogs. I hope to see you on MLB more often. Peace.
Keith, thanks for all the love you showed Miggy. We love him here in Michigan. And, as a nurse, I wish you would have been a doctor. I would have been able to read at least somebody’s handwriting!
Watching Hot Stove. You have to be apart of some show on MLB. Greatness! The Oracle of Baseball.
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Cabrera winning is like Obama winning– it reassures me that sanity is still alive.
Well, as someone pointed out earlier; Nate (The Great) Silver said the same thing as Keith on his 538 blog yesterday morning. Baseball has always been about “Stats”, period. Both players had great years, and as Trout becomes more seasoned, he is just going to get better and better; not unlike NL MVP Buster Posey. GO GIANTS!!!
Again KO I just watched you on Baseball Confidentail, I swear if you got your own baseball show I would seriously watch, and just beacuse I am a fan of yours, but you make this sport intersting and fun, and make me care about the sport or the topic at hand. Again you look so much better KO than you did on Current, you also sound better than you did the last months there. If I was not certian than before now it just again proves to me that your ego and you had nothing to do with why you are not at Current, and shows that they broke the contract and again unjustily fired you. Would not be happy if you do not get justice for that. It also showed me that even though you can go anywhere you want when it comes to news, I can see what really is best for you in this time in your career, is to do something that requires less stress and that you enjoy, so that means going back to sports and espically just talking baseball, than so be it, I will know that I will watch and enjoy, makes it a lot less stressful for me not have to watch the news and have to feel like yelling. KO also wanted to say, I wish others knew how to debate like you do, as someone that gets angry at all the shouting matches that happen, I really love and respect people more and more like you who paticpate in real deabte and know that kind of format is not debate and is informative or hearing both sides.
KO again you show why you will always be this generations Murrow, and again keep being yourself and showing how great of a human being that you are. Would not be happy with you if you had the prefect personality, ego or anything for that matter, because thier is no such thing as prefection. Just keep showing your human side KO flaws and all and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life. Love you faults and all.
“…I wish others knew how to debate like you do…”
He never debated anyone. He only brought on people who would suck up to him.
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You show that you again have zero clue who KO is and that you would not know what debate means. KO had people that disgreed with all the time, when Turley OO came on during the United Citizens case, here it showing that Turley is for it In a decision that could have a dramatic effect on the upcoming elections, the Supreme Court has ruled 5-4 in favor of a group of conservative filmmakers in the “Hillary: The Movie” Case. The result of the decision could increase spending for corporations, unions, and nonprofits in the election. I previously discussed the case and the likelihood of this 5-4 ruling. I discussed the case on this segment of Countdown. Other commentators like Glenn Greenwald have also weighed in on the case with similar views, here.
The ruling went down the ideological line with Justice Anthony Kennedy giving the majority the fifth vote and then writing the opinion. He stressed that “[o]ur nation’s speech dynamic is changing, and informative voices should not have to circumvent onerous restrictions to exercise their First Amendment rights.” That is the sentiment that motivated another of civil libertarians and free amendment advocates to support the conservative litigants. This is a case that split the free speech community with the ACLU and free speech advocates like Floyd Abrams supporting the conservative filmmakers in this case.
While there is much speculation on the impact on the upcoming elections, it is notable that two provisions were upheld by the Court (with only Thomas dissenting). The Court upheld the disclosure requirement that requires corporations to file a report with the FEC on contributors of $1,000 or more (when the corporation spends more than $10,000 a year to produce such ads. It also upheld the disclaimer requirement that requires that the producers say who is responsible for the ad if it not authorized by a candidate or a political committee.
However, the Court overturned critical holdings in Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce (upholding restrictions on corporate spending to support or oppose political candidates) and McConnell v. Federal Election Commission (upholding the central provisions of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law). The result is seismic for opening up elections to corporate spending. It is also a case of Justice Kennedy finally achieving a majority after voting against these limitations in 1990. While Justice Sandra Day O’Connor later changed her position to uphold campaign financing, Kennedy has remained firm that such limits run counter to the first amendment. He believes that public policy can be achieved through transparency provisions: “The government may regulate corporate political speech through disclaimer and disclosure requirements, but it may not suppress that speech altogether.”
The opinions offer strikingly different views of the First Amendment with Stevens writing: “The basic premise underlying the court’s ruling is its iteration, and constant reiteration, of the proposition that the First Amendment bars regulatory distinctions based on a speaker’s identity, including its ‘identity’ as a corporation.” While that glittering generality has rhetorical appeal, it is not a correct statement of the law.”
Both the Kennedy and Stevens opinions are very compelling and fascinating. The Kennedy decision does raise some questions over the sweep on his first amendment views and why any limits on campaign finances are constitutional. It also reintroduces the question of why corporations are treated as persons for the purposes of the first amendment. That latter question could now be the focus of a fight over a constitutional amendment. My opposition to a constitutional amendment is that I believe that there are more important political reforms to the system that need to be made. I do not believe that it is the money that has caused our political system to become so dysfunctional. It is also important to note that these restrictions were imposed on unions and non-for-profit corporations. The result of the restrictions, in my view, were disturbing line drawing as to what the government considered electioneering and what the government considered legitimate documentary work as with the distinction between Hillary the Movie and Fahrenheit 911.
There is a push now for a constitutional amendment, which I would not favor. It may be time for a paradigm change in how we think about this problem. We have a political failure in our system that is sucking the life out of the Republic. The monopoly of the two parties on power produces endless loops of corruption and conflict. The problem in my view is structural not financial. We need to break the domination of incumbents and the two parties. This can be done with fundamental changes in our primary system, eliminating the electoral college, creating new opportunities for third parties, and other reforms.
The FEC ruled that the film was prohibited as a “prohibited electioneering communication.” The lower court decisions proceeded to curtail the distribution of the film by restricting the conservative group in broadcasting and promoting the movie during the presidential primaries. In July, a three-judge panel granted the FEC’s motion for summary judgment.
Specifically, the desire of the group to put the movie in TV-on-demand access on cable TV was shelved due to the FEC’s decision.
Citizen United is challenging the federal “electioneering communications” disclosure requirements in the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act — a prohibition on corporations and nonprofits from airing broadcast ads, which refer to a federal candidate 30 days before a primary election. Citizens United is using the Court’s decision in Wisconsin Right to Life v. FEC, which exempted issue advocacy from the electioneering communications prohibition.
Watching the trailers below, it is hard to distinguish this movie from a campaign ad. However, the rulings below should trouble free speech advocates. The court found that the 90-minute campaign ad “susceptible of no other interpretation than to inform the electorate that Senator Clinton is unfit for office, that the United States would be a dangerous place in a President Hillary Clinton world, and that viewers should vote against her.” That may be so, but such a conclusion could also be reached in a perfectly legitimate documentary or parody. Consider Michael Moore’s anti-Bush documentary “Fahrenheit 9/11.”
The actual restrictions and their impact on the film are a bit more technical. The McCain-Feingold legislation requires that “any broadcast, cable or satellite communications” during the period before an election clearly state the name of the group paying for the ad is one such provision.
There is no question that Citizens United, a nonprofit corporation, has a bit of an obsession and hatred for both Clintons. It is the creation of Citizens United President David N. Bossie, a long Clinton critic.
The case raised both very broad and very technical questions. The threshold question, however, is the role of the government in making this judgment call between films from Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 911 to Hillary the Movie. Often literary works have a political purpose or message. Shakespeare’s work, particularly Richard III, has been described as a brilliant Tudor propaganda — Richard III was the last Yorkist king and vilifying the House of York was of great benefit to Shakespeare’s Tudor benefactors. Richard III was defeated by the first Tudor, Henry VII and the ancestor of Elizabeth I. In my Supreme Court seminar on the current case, my students and I discussed whether the FCC would require Shakespeare to add “Brought to you with the generous contributions of the Tudor Family.”
The vote in my Supreme Court class on the case was interesting. We split down the middle: Seven favored the ruling of the FCC while Seven would support Citizens United. However, the prediction of the likely outcome was heavily in favor of the Supreme Court affirming the lower three-judge panel against Citizens United.
Seth Waxman, who defended the law is predictably arguing stare decisis (Lat. “to stand by that which is decided”) and saying that a reversal of the earlier ruling after such a relatively short time would be “unseemly” and undermine the credibility of the Court.
Ted Olson argued that the law has created a “chilling effect” on first amendment rights and free speech. Many civil libertarians are sympathetic with those arguments — viewing the ruling as an affront to free speech. That includes Floyd Abrams a liberal defender of free speech who is representing Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader in one of the dozens of amicus filings.
Notably, when the Court last considered this law, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor voted to supply the fifth vote upholding the law in McConnell v. FEC in 2003. Her seat is now held by Justice Samuel Alito who predictably voted with the majority. Sotomayor voted as expected the same way as Souter to uphold the law.
Notably, Alito spoke out at the last hearing at a critical moment. In the March argument, the government argued that hypothetically the government could make it a crime to distribute books advocating the election or defeat of political candidates. The distinction that was drawn was whether it was paid for by corporate money rather than a political action committee. Alito exclaimed “[t]hat’s pretty incredible.”
I was sympathetic with Citizens United and the free speech groups. In the end, I have to favor more speech than less in such conflicts. While I would have written a concurrence and have difficulty with aspects of the majority opinion, I probably would have voted to support the majority in the result in this case. However, I do consider this to be one of the most difficult free speech cases to hit the court in decades. Many of my friends are on the other side and I understand that this is quite a blow. People of good faith can disagree on such issues. It really broke along a fine line. It depends on whether your gravitational point tended to fall along the free speech line or the good government line. It is a rare case where those lines ran perpendicular rather than parallel with each other.
For the trailers of the movie, see below:
You can read the opinion at this link.
For the full story, click here.
Also here is what KO thought of it It’s easy to throw out Dred Scott v Sandford right now – I know, I’m going to do it on the show in about two hours – but it is entirely justified.
The similarities between today’s decision and that of the Taney Court are not limited to the tragic societal upheaval each will have unleashed. There is also this. In each case the Supreme Court has encountered an institution rife with corruption and immorality, and decided to root out… the good part.
The only thing that was acceptable about our slave system was that even it provided a means by which a slave could seek redress in the court, and Dred Scott eliminated that. The only thing that is acceptable about our campaign system is that some of our elected officials are not the political equivalents of prostitutes. Citizens United will eliminate that.
In short, there are now no checks on the ability of corporations or unions or other giant aggregations of power… to decide our elections.
None.
They can spend all the money they want.
And if they can spend all the money they want — sooner, rather than later — they will implant the legislators of their choice in every office from President to head of the Visiting Nurse Service.
And if Senators and Congressmen and Governors and Mayors and Councilmen and everyone in between are entirely beholden to the corporations for election and re-election to office, soon they will erase whatever checks there might still exist to just slow down the ability of corporations to decide… the laws.
It is almost literally true that any political science fiction nightmare you can now dream up — no matter whether you are conservative or liberal — it is now legal. Because the people who can make it legal, can now be entirely bought and sold — no actual citizens required in the process.
And the entirely bought and sold politicians, can change any laws. And any legal defense you can structure now, can be undone by the politicians who will be bought and sold into office this November, or two years from now. And any legal defense which honest politicians can somehow wedge up against them this November, or two years from now, can be undone by the next even larger set of politicians who will be bought and sold into office in 2014, or 2016, or 2018.
Mentioning Lincoln’s supposed ruminations about arresting Roger B. Taney… he didn’t say the original of this, but what the hell:
Right now, you can prostitute all of the politicians some of the time, and prostitute some of the politicians all the time, but you cannot prostitute all the politicians all the time.
Thanks to Chief Justice Roberts this will change.
As the above excerpt suggests, I’m doing a Special Comment tonight, twelve minutes of it. For the first time since 2006 I can’t help but wonder if it’ll be my last.
Well, like Democracy, it’s been a nice ride. Let’s go out with some of those Poli-Sci-Fi possibilities – not just gutting of social spending because every dollar wasted on a poor person is one dollar less for tax cuts for the corporate and the wealthy, but other changes we might dare to extrapolate.
Be prepared for those poor dumb manipulated bastards, the Tea Partiers, to have a glorious few years as the front men as the corporations that bankroll them slowly unroll their total control of our political system. And then be prepared to watch them be banished, maybe outlawed, when a few of the brighter ones suddenly realize that the corporations have made them the Judas Goats of American Freedom.
And be prepared, then, for the bank reforms that President Obama has just this day vowed to enable, to be rolled back by his successor purchased by the banks (with the money President Bush gave them) — his successor, presumably President Palin, because if you need a friendly face of fascism, you might as well get one that can wink, and if you need a tool of whichever large industries buy her first, you might as well get somebody who lives up to that word “tool.”
Be prepared for the little changes, too.
If there are any small towns left to take-over, Wal-Mart can now soften them up with carpet advertising for their Wal-Mart town council candidates, brought to you by Wal-Mart.
Be prepared for the Richard Mellon Scaifes to drop such inefficiencies as vanity newspapers and simply buy and install their own city government in the Pittsburghs.
Be prepared for the personally wealthy men like John Kerry to become the paupers of the Senate, or the ones like Mike Bloomberg not even surviving the primary against Halliburton’s choice for Mayor of New York City.
Be prepared for the end of what you’re watching now. I don’t just mean me, or this program, or this network. I mean all the independent news organizations, and Fox for that matter, because Fox inflames people against the state, and after today’s ruling, the corporations will only need a few more years of inflaming people before the message suddenly shifts to “everything’s great.”
Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh don’t even realize it: today, John Roberts just cut their throats.
Jonathan Turley tries to explain the court’s thinking (if any), and Alan Grayson will offer his own sets of warning (If I’m going out on this one, as Tom Snyder used to say, I’m going out shamelessly plugging). Wow again yo show that you have no idea who KO is and what he did on Countdown, KO has disagreed with Howrad krutz on donations and had him on talking about it. He has disagreed with Howard Dean on New York Mosque. The reason why you think that KO never has disagreement is because thier was no shouting and talking over people. Like Fox does and CNN does, that it not disagreement that is what called shouting, and entertaining people. So keep lying about who KO is all you do is embrass yourself with how igorant you are on him. Sorry KO’s had more disagreement than anyone on Tv that likes to use shouting matches. Thanks for showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come. Again KO sorry you got treated like crap at Current and why I will be pissed if you do not get the justice that you deserve, keep being yourself and you will have a fan in me, love you faults and all. Also OO keep showing how igorant you are on what debate and disagreement is, shouting is not disagreement.
“That’s seventh out of fourteen. In the pre-division days they used to call that The Second Division – and it was a sign of shame.”
No, 7th out of 14 is the bottom position in the First Division. Claiming to be a stat nerd and getting something as simple as that wrong is a sign of shame.
Yep, I was also going to point that out…pretty sloppy on KO’s part. He knows baseball/sports, but someone liked me here, and I didn’t find this very compelling.
I want to know how is KO being sloppy here, this is as made up to me, as the ones that are saying that KO was being a hypocrite. Do you people want to keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come. KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me, I love how people want to lie about what happened at Current, I am someone who would love you even if you had the worst personlity someone could have, I have no idea why people want you to have a prefect personality, excuse me we do not have to work or live with him, this why I can be objective and when I see all the evidence all I see is a an employee that got abused by his employer. Personal I want you to continue to stand up against mangement, they seem to be the ones that are everything that you are. Really getting rid of someone because you say something that he does not like, like what happened on Football Night in America that is about the most stupidiest thing that I have heard off. KO cannot wait to see you host Hot Stove tomorrow and Wensday, you make baseball fun and intersting and something to care about. I would be happy to see you do, to me I will follow you anywhere and listen to you do baseball if you got a show, all I want is for you to be happy, you have never left the progressive community or more specific the news industry, you do not owe anybody anything, you need to do with what makes you happy, you have no idea also to sell out, people who are saying that I know are just doing it to bash you because you are not allowed to go against what they love. The same with the trolls on here. KO as long as you are healthy and happy that is all that counts to me, and that is what a true fan should always care about with the person they are a fan of. KO again keep being yourself never change your personality or ego, or any of it, love you the way you are, and will always have you on my wall, ipod and ipad as long as you are yourself. Love you faults and all.
History, what in the world are you ranting about? Read the little thing I wrote in response/agreement to/with “Real Wood” and do the math.14 divided by two…come on, you can do it.
Also matt
Just go out and say that you disagree with KO, that is all you have to do, Matt I do not see how the math shows that KO did sloppy work and I will never see how that is. Nothing in this articel shows that KO did sloppy work, you just need to say that you disagree instead of the BS sloppy work crap that you are saying. Sorry but the math does add up, and always will add up and this is someone that is bad at Math I can tell you that you are dreaming if you think that math does not add up because that is pure false in my view and always will be. Just say that you disagree and get over with, stop with this made and it will always be made up math does not add up and KO did sloppy work because he and always will show in my view that he did not.
KO again you were awesome on Hot Stove and I cannot wait to see you guest host it next Tuesday and Wensday. Again I would love to see you do news because you are this generations Murrow because you tell truth to power, but more importantly I want you in a job that will not be as stressful on you, because you look so much better even more so when you were at MSNBC. I also know that Alantic Business and others need to stop bashing you with this made up you burnt your last bridge crap. Also love how someone on twitter wanted to bash you by trying to say that you would not last long there, even though you had five years at ESPN and eight at MSNBC and you were planning on lasting longer at Current, if they had not unjustily fired you. Keep it up, you make baseball fun and intersting. Love you faults and all. Keep showing why you are this generations Murrow and why as long as you are yourself you will always have a fan in me.
Sorry, but I still do not see how this is sloppy work, I guess I never will, but thanks again for making me love and respect KO more and more.
Sorry I do nothave to do the math to know that KO did no sloppy work on this and that you are only upset because KO not suppose to tell you that Trout is worthy of this award and this what I will always think. No math shows that KO did sloppy work.
I can tell you again Matt that I have disagreed with KO all the time, I know it may not sound like from the responses, but I have, did not like that he was critizing the President on BP response and did not understand why he was not for Karen Hagen when she was nomiated, but the one thing that I always have know about KO and know that he never does and never will do is sloppy work, and again when I look at the numbers, even for someone with a math disablity I do not see how the numbers do not add up and I can tell that they do add up and that the work KO did here was soild and you are just not want to say that you disagree which again is fine. Sorry but I know that this is not sloppy and never will be sloppy work and that you do not know what you are talking about when you say that, and nothing you will say will change that, I know that all this is you disagreeing with KO which is fine, but that is all and always be what it is.
KO, (if you or a moderator screen this I just needed a way to reach you- don’t have to add to your blog if you don’t want to).
First of all this whole “best” player vs “most VALUable”… the winner should only be the player who demonstrated the highest production VALUE of all players in that league. If not then MLB should take the VALUE out of VALUABLE and replace it with… well … anything else!
No argument Trout was the most VALUE centered productive player in ALL of MLB this past season. Problem is traditionalist aren’t big on projections and or multi-level math formulas to prove production. As an every day fan…we/they just want some straight forward, easy to decipher, hard to argue production values.
If you want to know about an exclusive yet tested system for evaluating player production that does not include the tangled webs of sabermetrics that scare away the every day common baseball fan and — a system that is not traditional stat centered but which — supports Trout as hands down the more productive offensive player –then give me a holler. If I don’t hear back from you then there are others who show an equal or greater affinity to baseball production values and who desire a more adamant argument in getting these awards right!
BTW, you can provide me any player you wish and I can provide you their accurate production value in a few quick steps. You can then compare my findings to those of any saberist to verify my systems accuracy of– Keep It Simple Sabermetrics (KISS) and or Statistics for the last “S” to cover the traditional statistical systems.
Fact is, you can quickly compare Trout’s (any player) history making season to ANY current or former players best season from ANY era where MLB stats are available. Because it is based on pure production (exactly what a player did in the game) my system works the same in showing productivity: Per Game, AB, PA, Series, Season or Career no matter who, what, where or when they played.
Though my proven system more times than not agrees with saberist it does so with “simplicity minus intricacy”–no need for some computerized shredder or simulator. If I have the info I need available, I can come up with a “hard to argue” players offensive production value in a matter of minutes.
My proprietary system is not based on predictions or projections (though these can be made from the production values assessed). Nor does it draw conclusions about a player based on what others in same positions “could/would” do and there is def no UZR (though my system accounts for this similarly on defense). Productivity is derived purely from what a player does between the lines, per game objectives and in opportunities they are presented with to produce / perform on the field. A system based solely on what are eyes see not what our minds or worse –some computer generated mind projects!
This system may well be the neutralizer for both saberist and traditionalist alike.
Hope to hear back from you to discuss this proprietary system with you further.
P.S. my apologies if this made it to the blog and is too lengthy.
OK KO…the talk on the streets (TV screens) is “it is time for something new” to make the player production facts stand out OR at least…we can agree something different.
The two camps of saberist & traditionalist are still not even in the same ballpark as evidenced by the 22-6 voting so perhaps timing is everything. Though I am sure Trout advocates would have preferred a better “seal the deal” system for offensive productivity before now.
In pure baseball terms:
Saberist need a closer and traditionalist need a reliever. I put the ball is in your Blog…call out to the bullpen (me) and see if my stuff can’t close the gap on player production or at least –get the two camps on the same playing field.
And if I’m way off base…then you will pick me off and I’m out…. but –what if I have the game winning run or magical strike 3 pitch? The value of which could be both intrinsic to the game as well as extrinsic to the players, media and all involved in the game at every level.
Saberist went through the same “what if?” litmus test I am confronting now and look how far they have come! I am offering you a chance to test my system and compare my production results to both camps and so far …one swing and a miss?
“Nothing is more powerful than idea whose time has come.” – Victor Hugo
KO, I gotta hand it to you. I hate everything about your politics, BUT, I love everything you write and say about sports. I always thought you were the best part of the Dan Patrick show. Great article, and keep it up.
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Has Keith obtained a PPO on history yet?
I would simply like to know Cabrera’s average with RISP. Just because he was less hot in September does not diminish his contributions throughout the season.
Steve I do not think that KO and others are saying that. When I read this I got no hint that KO and others were even remotely saying that, they are just agruging that Trout is more desrving of the award. It okay if you disagree, but that is all that is being said.
By virtue of his MLB leading runs scored–no player epitomized a Runner In Scoring Position (RISP) better than Trout. The fact he placed himself in a position to score give or take 49 additional times (SB) and 45 more times than Miggy –also stands out.
Add these 45-49 to Trout’s Total Bases (TB) and see how little THAT gap becomes as well. Ditto for XBH where both stats do not always equate to RUNS scored (main objective of the offensive game). And while your making a case for Miggy’s BA with RISP you should also factor in his league leading 28 times he hit into DP’s and how many prospective RISP that took away compared to Trout’s 5.
Pat Miggy on the back for his RBI’s and BA with RISP but recognize he accumulates these stats BECAUSE of the RISP type of player…for which Trout was the poster boy in all of MLB in 2012.
Add that Miggy’s place in the batting order gave him ample more opportunities to move the Mike Trout’s of the game on base ahead of him whereas Trout started every game with at least 1 AB with no RISP….and he still did what the offensive game called for –produced more runs than anyone else in the game with FEWER game chances to do it in!
It is easier to accept Miggy won because of the TC not because of how well he hit with RISP.
But, if you are going to use a RISP argument to boost the Miggy MVP confirmation just remember which player best defined a RISP in MLB for 2012.
Instersting info there, thanks for a interesting post.
Again I think if I remember right KO was also for Miggy but I cannot be sure.
Again KO if this is what you want to do, than I am all for it and will be watching you, you really do make baseball fun and interesting. Again keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me. You really show why you are this genrations Murrow and I am sorry that Current treated you like crap, will not be happy if you get the justice that you deserve, again you do not have to prefect all you have to be is human, that is why I love you. As long as you are healthy and happy then a I am happy.
KO did say on MLB network he thought Miggy would win via the voters but his arguments made were all FOR TROUT. He can come on here and get it straight–I don’t speak for KO.
Dan
You got that right, that all his agruments were for Trout and still thinks that Trout should have been MVP, but his also said that Cabera would be the winner, also I know that you do not speak for KO, I just thought that what you wrote was intersting and thought provking, the same for what KO wrote when it came to Trout. I like seeing this different views that you all have.
watched MLBTV most of the morning…liked the Dick Groat arguement….how about an explanation on 1959 Nellie Fox winning MVP? http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1959.shtml
News Corp is buying a 49% stake in the YES Network– so I bought another Mets cap. Rupert Murdoch/Yankees = I watch the Mets.
KO again you are doing awesome hosting Hot Stove, you just make me love and respect you more and more and you make baseball really intersting and fun and making me care about it. Will diffently watch you if you got a baseball show, but I would watch you do anything. Again sorry you got abused at Current and not be happy if you do not get the justice that you deserve, also love how you can laugh at yourself, that is why I always know that you have a right size ego for someone in your biz, and that you are have a great personality, and again I someone that cares zip and would watch you do baseball if you had the worst ego and personality ever.
Keep showing why you are this generations Murrow and you will always have a fan in me. Keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad. Love you faults and all.
Again KO you were awesome and I cannot wait to watch tomorrow and also if you get a show total with you there. Also re- read a little of the lawsiut and it joy reading it knowing that Current could not refute any of that. I love how you show how Current was negative to you and all they have is a quto that confirms what they were saying that lawyers were involed, you were showing how they were sabtoing themselves and they think a quto is satoge, wow Hyatt ego and lies know no bounds. Hyatt just needs to come out and say that they have no vaules and morals and that they broke the contract and that they will pay what is owed. Also love how you show that you can easily get along with people and that you can go anywhere in any place in jouranlism, again this is someone who would love and be a fan even if you had the worst ego around. Keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me, love you faults and all.
“Hyatt just needs to come out and say that they have no vaules and morals and that they broke the contract and that they will pay what is owed.”
Or maybe Bathtub Boy could finally come out and admit that he got fired from Current for the exact same reason he got fired by every other employer he’s ever had. He’s an asshole and finally got his ass handed to him.
Again.
And hopefully for the last time.
Hyatt
Has no vaules and morals, this is a guy who fired someone with AIDS, I did not realize that you think that firing people with AIDS is what vaules and morals look like. Thanks for showing that KO knows what being human is and has vaules and morals and you do not know what they are. Also again KO was unjustily fired from Current, here again is what happened OO you show again that you have zero clue what being fired and quiting means, first KO was wrongly fired by Current, thier is no eveidence expect in KO bashers like you who show you know KO as much as you know Madoff, and MSNBC he quit, here again is KO’ s job history Wow KO needs to sue over what happened at Current, you again do not listen, this has been debunked, again here is what happened first KO was dealing with a thorat infection KO was working while he had a thorat infection which is a big no in his industry and you are putting out that made up crap that has been debunked over and overe again that his attiude is what got him fired, Hope I reading his timeline where is KO being a dick, all he doing he telling you his opoin on Yankee fans that is not what being a dick looks like, I guess you are like Cenk and TC in that KO thinks that Cenk will not get ratings and thinks he does not tell the truth, and Cenk grants a interview and that shows that KO is two faced, wow I want you, TC and Cenk to explain how is that two faced, because I do not have to be a fan of KO to know that is not what a two face is, just like I do not have to be a fan to know that working while you are having thorat problems and getting told by a impocomptent mangement that wants to say they are professinal responsible and in charge of buiness side but will not fix a set or give KO a new studio and will not even let him rest his voice, and KO’s mad explain how is KO’s attitude got him fired, Why Hope should I believe a guy that fired someone with AIDs when it comes to honesty and morals, wow keep showing Hope how KO got unjustily fired at Current there is no proof that KO’s attitude got him fired, and KO telling you what he thinks of Yankee fans is not what being a dick is. You two show that KO is right about Yankee fans, you two disgust me with your bashing of KO because Yankee fans can never be critized. So I want you to explain why KO who works in broadcasting should be working why he sick, wow so I guess you think that broadcaster should loose thier voices. Here is another oneSorry but keep shwoing that you where not KO fan, KO’s attitude has zero to do with what happened at Current, I want you to explain why KO was promised to be news cheif and never got it, wow I guess wanting what he promised shows that his attitude was the problem, Hope I read his lawsuit and the conter-suit and nothing in there shows that KO broke the contract and I care crap about his attitude, nothing shows Hope that KO’s attitude is why he not at Current, that Hope has been debunked over and over again, Hope KO giving what he thinks of Yankee fans is not what being a dick looks like, you and bmer bashing KO and not letting KO disagree with you about Yankee fans that is what dickish bevahior is. Hope keep showing that you were no KO fan and that you not KO are the dick. Hope I want you to work with tenichal problems and studio falling apart and mangement that puts out negitive articles about you and than come bakc with that made up crap about KO’s attitude. Hope it not KO’s job to praise Yankee fans up the wall, people like you make me sick, if KO does not agree with you, you go with the made up talking points that he got fired for a bad attidue and that he a dick, because you and bmer cannot take that not everyone thinks that Yankee’s and there fans are the greatest since silece bread Hope keep showing me that KO’s attitude hasd and always will have zero to do with what happened at Current and that you have zero idea what being a dick is, you are being one right now with your BS about KO being bad because he angry at Yankee fans. KO keep being yourself and again will be pissed if you do not get the justice you deserve for being unjustily fired. Also Bmer you just keep showing that you not kO are the dick, so because KO read your tweet on the air that means that he has to tell you how great Yankee fans are. I have read his timeline Bmer there is nothing there that showing he being a dick, that is pure BS by you and hope who hate it when Ko critizes things that you do not want critized. Wow so again KO personality and this is from someone who cares crap about his personality was not the reason he was at Current. He doing the right thing by suing, you love to put up crap that has been debunked over and over agian showing that you do not know who KO is and showing that you do not care about facts and truth. Keep making me love and respect KO more. KO is not mental case, and Paul I do not listen to people that are total igorant on KO work history, he has not got fired from every job here again is KO’s work historyYou put a list that is all wrong and is all been debunked. OO you do not even know KO career, KO has not been fired from MSNBC and ESPN, again here is what happened Keep showing that you would rather bash KO than listen to the truth, that he has never naplenmed a bridge and that he unemployable has always been debunked and always will be, I look at those articles and you have to live in fantasy world if you think that shows that KO is a jerk or that he unemployable, I already apologized for what happened with Suzie but people like you want to put that out because KO has to be a bad guy here is what KO did A long, long time ago, one of my bosses at ESPN told me that during times of contention, I always showed too much backbone.
Well, he was damned right.
A whining sacroiliac sent me to the chiropractor’s last week and the X-rays proved my old boss literally correct. I am part of that hidden minority, the spinal mutants, who have six lumbar vertebrae instead of the customary five. I do have too much backbone.
This was the final sign that it was time to do something that for months has been crystallizing out of the gauzy haze of the unconsciousness that surrounds us all: I need to apologize to ESPN.
This began to become evident weeks ago when the deputy mayor of Indianapolis attacked Chris Mortensen, one of my reportorial role models. I once watched Mort protect a source who not only publicly denied what he’d told Mort in private but also questioned his ethics. Just this month, Mort went on the air and criticized the thoroughness of his own reporting on a story. Mortensen is the gold standard, and this hack politician slashed him and said ESPN was “a sports channel first and a news organization fifth.” I was amazed to find my hackles rising and myself rushing to defend my old employers on my radio sportscast.
It all became remarkably clear after that. This isn’t about my skeletal freakiness, or Chris Mortensen, or even, particularly, the primary area of wounded feelings for my former bosses and colleagues, Mike Freeman’s book about the network. This isn’t even about specific events or people, although nearly everybody at ESPN merits an apology from me, and I give it willingly and with great sadness, but with some hope that it will explain if not erase my actions, and might even be of some inspiration to any who might be afflicted in the same curious way I’ve come to learn I am.
This is about not knowing why you do things — literally, not knowing for years and years — and then suddenly beginning to scratch the surface of understanding. That earlier imagery about the gauzy haze is almost factually precise: It feels as if I’ve been coming out of a huge fog bank.
Enough preamble. After five and a half years there, I left ESPN at the end of June 1997. My decision inspired a lot of head-scratching, everything from graffiti on a wall in a syndicated comic strip, to shouts of “traitor” from a viewer at a World Series game. There have been a lot of explanations conjectured, by myself and others, but heretofore I have never definitively stated why I left — in large part because until recently, I didn’t really know. In point of fact, I couldn’t handle the pressure of working in daily long-form television, and what was worse, I didn’t know I couldn’t handle it.
Not the broadcasts themselves, mind you — I’ve rarely had as much fun in life as I used to during those hours on the air with Dan Patrick. I’m talking about an inability to digest all that led up to those hours, about which I had no clue at all. And unless somebody at ESPN had the insight to look for a big-picture pattern, nobody else had any clue at all. I think some executives, most notably John Walsh, had a sense that something was wrong. But whatever any of them said about “insecurity” or “perfectionism,” I know I just took it as an attack and stiffened my extra-long spine.
On top of everything else about it that can destabilize the soul, television is fraught with a million commonplace things that can go wrong. A surprisingly large number of things can go wrong even when everybody involved is giving their all. It’s the nature of a medium so complex it would’ve made Rube Goldberg blanch.
But I didn’t see it that way.
I have lived much of my life assuming much of the responsibility around me and developing a dread of being blamed for things going wrong. Moreover, deep down inside I’ve always believed that everybody around me was qualified and competent, and I wasn’t, and that some day I’d be found out. If you think that way, when somebody messes up, you can’t imagine that it just “happened.” Since they’re so much better than you are, how could they not complete a task successfully? They have to be not trying hard enough — and when they don’t try and the show goes to hell, who gets blamed? You do.
In other words, you start thinking like George Steinbrenner, circa 1977.
Mix that in to the very public nature of the field, and especially the high-profile nature of a job like hosting “SportsCenter,” and you have a combustible combination.
The results can probably be summarized by this conversation I recall from the weeks after the infamous launch of ESPN2 in 1993. After three hours of live shots failing, news breaking, entire 20-minute segments of the show being swapped during commercial breaks, tapes physically falling apart, and production assistants wiping out as they ran through the snow to try to get us information, the producers, my co-host Suzy Kolber and I somehow managed to cover Michael Jordan’s first retirement professionally and entertainingly.
Afterwards, the coordinating producer, Norby Williamson, greeted us like the survivors of a World War I foxhole at Ypres. “Great job. Great show,” he said.
“The hell it was,” I said.
Wrong answer.
You suspend — no, let’s be exact about this, I suspended — the whole human part of the equation. It never occurred to me that most of the problems were the result of mere events. Even the chaos that surrounded the entire launch of the experimental show “SportsNight” was merely the inevitable result of the fact that it was experimental.
And it never, ever occurred to me that if it failed, I wouldn’t be found out, fired, banished, finished.
The oddest thing about all this, is that even when I left — and in six weeks I will have been gone longer than I was there — executives like Walsh and Howard Katz underscored that I was welcome to return at some distant future date, despite all the Sturm und Drang. And, man, I was usually producing both the Sturm and the Drang. Months later, Katz even approached me about contributing to ESPN Classic, shortly after the company had bought that network.
Of course, I could not know that the major bone of contention, the veritable sixth lumbar vertebra of contention, still awaited: Freeman’s book. I should herein point out that none of this should reflect on Mike: He did an exhaustively thorough job, and more to this point, he didn’t misquote me, not once, nor did he use anything I said out of context. Nor did he cajole or sweet-talk me into discussing topics I didn’t want to discuss. Also, this isn’t some kind of loudspeaker confession from George Orwell’s “1984.” I’m not going to renounce most of my criticisms of the place. I did not consort with Goldstein. I don’t think I was wrong on the issues — I think my methodology was wrong. Outstandingly wrong.
My answers to Freeman constituted the ultimate act of somebody who lived in terror of being blamed. After I left for NBC in 1997, I was unprepared for a question I would literally hear daily — on the street, at events, even on the air on MSNBC: “Why’d you leave ‘SportsCenter’?” If you make a decision in your life, even one as eminently logical and self-improving as “Why’d you start washing your hair every day?” and you start getting questioned hourly about it, you’re going to start second-guessing yourself. I eventually got up to about my millionth guess.
So. The logic was impeccable. To answer that question, I couldn’t take the blame (responsibility) for the disaster (career growth) about which I was being persecuted (sympathetically asked about). Why did I leave “SportsCenter”? Obviously, because it was a medieval torture chamber (fairly typical television workplace providing a high level of ego gratification and creative freedom).
There’s a lot in Freeman’s book that I regret. I won’t inundate you with details, but a few require specificity. Referring to ESPN’s executives, I told Freeman that “other than Steve Anderson, I don’t think any of them are any good.” Well, that was ridiculous then and it is ridiculous now. Without even judging how good they were, just to keep a monolith like ESPN on the air every day requires as many good executives as they have at NORAD.
As suggested earlier, I don’t regret my stances on the work environment there, but to say that some actions management took were merely “covering their ass legally” was to subtract the humanity from the equation. It never dawned on me that some of these guys had been thrown in at the deep end of the pool, or would have to expose, prosecute and fire friends and colleagues who themselves had done things that until a decade before had been standard operating procedure at every corporation in America.
I now read with horror of my ESPN2 co-host, Ms. Kolber, sequestering herself in the women’s bathroom and weeping over how I treated her. She told Freeman that as things deteriorated, I wouldn’t talk to her. She’s wrong: I couldn’t talk to her. I pumped up some small-scale complaints into a scenario in which she was at fault for everything ESPN2 hadn’t become. I wasn’t completely obtuse back then, and if anything would have cut through my neuroses, it would’ve been a colleague’s tears. If I had known, I think I could’ve jumped over the fence I’d built around myself and said what the inner guy always knew: No TV show is worth crying over. Suzy: I’m sorry.
There are lots of little gratuitous shots in there that also reflect an insensibility to parts of reality. I get queasy at all of them, but one stands out as representative. Freeman accurately quotes me as complaining about how a labor-intensive participatory field piece I did in 1996 about what the first-base coach does and says during a game, got little airtime. A year later, ESPN ran a similar piece in which the coaches of the Anaheim Angels wore microphones. I complained to the relevant coordinating producer, Jeff Schneider, and he replied that the new ESPN-Disney-Angels connection explained why one piece ran and the other didn’t. It is almost certain that Schneider was joking, or tweaking me, or, most probably, protecting me from a fact I could never have admitted to myself or have survived hearing from him or anybody else: My coaching piece just wasn’t that good.
Several ESPN folks suggested to Freeman that I was trying deliberately to violate the rules — appearing on other networks and writing for publications without notifying them just to tweak management. That was almost right on the money. But it wasn’t as simple as merely trying to annoy ESPN or John Walsh or whoever else. It was me trying to give myself an excuse to get out from under the pressure of working in an environment of my own creation in which I daily expected the blame ax to fall. It was prepackaged sour grapes.
Oddly, I did figure some of this out then, which is why, even after we’d finalized my departure I went back and proposed to them that I do one show a week. That really was instinct cutting through all of these neuroses. That was, should’ve been, and remains my ideal TV schedule: one or two days a week, and the other five or six to remember that I’m not going to be blamed for everything by anybody — even myself.
So, I’m sorry. It should have been done differently. It wasn’t. Then again, I’m only finding out now about that extra vertebra and the extra steps I have to take to learn how to be, well, flexible. Wow so Suzie is beating up on a guy that was able to man up and apologize for what happened wow that shows that she would not know what character is just like you, also Suzie is not great herself on stuff like working well as you and others want people to believe because jack does not want to hear that KO ego is not why he not on Current, here is what KO said about SuzieBelow is an excerpt from Those Guys Have All The Fun: Inside The World of ESPN, which is finally in paperback so those readers anxious for more Bristol back-biting don’t have to carry around the cumbersome hardcover. The new version includes more bitchy anecdotes from Bill Simmons, further details about Tony Kornheiser’s on-air insults about Hannah Storm, and, of course, more from Keith Olbermann, who maintains that he didn’t treat his one-time co-anchor Suzy Kolber as horribly as most people think.
Keith Olbermann:
I hate to put this on the record, but I’m really annoyed that Suzy has portrayed herself as this sweet bystander victim all the time. I swear on my niece’s head that this is true. When those touch-and-go negotiations for her to stay in ’96 ended, we were all working in a trailer while they rebuilt the newsroom, and Dan I were even sharing a computer. And one day she comes in and tells everybody—and I mean every on-air guy on the network was in this double-wide—”I’m leaving for Fox. It’s been real.” And as soon as she was out the door everybody stood and applauded. McQuade came over to me and said “Well at least her time here produced something positive. You get her computer.
Two-and-a-half years later, maybe the day after I got to Fox, now she’s leaving there to go back to Bristol and she sweeps through the news bullpen to say goodbye and damned but it doesn’t happen again. She says her farewells and as soon as she’s out of earshot, the row of writers stands up and starts applauding and cheering.
I liked Suzy then and I like her now but she wasn’t just sinned against.”
“Suzy’s statement seven or eight years later that I had caused her to go into the bathroom and cry really affected me. I mean, it provoked genuine introspection and sincere guilt. But, honestly, that was the first I’d ever heard of it. I mean, we shared an office desk for six months and she never even hinted that however I had treated her it was a problem.
In fact I had been proactive in trying to help her, because Norby and Mike Bogad were really pushing her around during the earliest rehearsals. My agent, and a very good woman friend of mine at ESPN, came to me and said “you know, you can be a little intimidating sometimes, you should take Suzy out to dinner and be her friend.” That floored me, but I took their word for it, and I tried to remind her that while she was the newcomer, they had bent over backward to try to get her, and the very biggest wigs at Cap Cities had personally pushed for her, and while it made sense for me to lead things off because I was by that time established with the brand, she should not just sit there if they shunted her off to the side or sent her on these punishing trips to Edmonton to interview Doug Flutie or whatever. I said I’d back her up completely. That night, we parted closer than ever. And the next day she was in Norby’s office demanding that she get the lead story instead of me! Wow hearing that just makes me love and show that KO gets along with others just fine.
Murdouch, this is guy who would not know what truth is if you put in his face, Jack do you realize that Murdouch has no idea what honesty is, he also like Hyatt thinks that it okay to blackmail his employees like he did KO hereOn Countdown tonight Keith Olbermann used a Special Comment to detail how Rupert Murdoch blackmailed him when he worked for Fox Sports.
Here is the video:
After retelling the story of how he got fired from Fox Sports for reporting that Rupert was looking to sell the LA Dodgers, Olbermann got to the new details,
The second half of my story I have never told publicly before. It’s time. In June of 2000 after a year and a half of doing two one hour cable shows a night for Murdoch and baseball from 7 AM to 5 PM on Saturdays, I got sick. My doctor told me that if I didn’t among other things slow down at work; he would be treating me for heart disease within the decade. I took him very seriously. I told my employers about cutting back maybe from the six days to 5, and offered to give back to Fox some of my salary in the process because my health was at risk maybe even my heart.
They immediately took me off the air. They refused to put me back on until I had gotten a letter from my doctor guaranteeing them that I was well enough to work. By itself that was hardly an evil thing to do. In fact, I recognized it as a prudent business decision, and I complied because I didn’t know what they intended to do with it. They blackmailed me with it.
Wow a guy who thinks like Hyatt and Brohem thinks that someone should work while they are sick that shows that Murdouch is a boss no one even KO should work for, also jack, KO got fired from there for telling the truth, KO found out that Murdouch was selling the Dogers he even went to someone asking if Mourdouch would be okay with the story, which they said yes and than he was fired when Murdouch, because Jack honesty is not allowed when Murdouch organization is in it, I should listen to a guy that is underinvestigation for warptapping when it comes to how KO is, you really love to show me that KO is easy to work with and that you like Current have zero clue what being hard to work for. MSNBC let’s see they thought that it was okay for Scaurbough to donate also and if KO had not gotten caught would have let Scraubough get away with donating so you show again how hypocritical MSNBC is on that here is MSNBC suspended host Keith Olbermann today, following revelations that he made campaign contributions to three Democrats in the elections — a violation of MSNBC policy.
But a search of OpenSecrets.org reveals that MSNBC host Joe Scarborough and MSNBC contributor Pat Buchanan have also made contributions to political campaigns. Here’s what we found…
In March 2006, Scarborough, who hosts the show Morning Joe, gave $4200 to Derrick Kitts (R-OR). And, as the Daily Kos points out, a month later Kitts was a guest on Scarborough’s show.
Between 2005-2008, Pat Buchanan made five contributions to Republican candidates, totaling $2250.
Chris Hayes, the Washington editor for The Nation, is a frequent contributor to MSNBC shows, and often fills in for Rachel Maddow on her show. The Upshot reports that he gave $250 to Alabama Democratic candidate Josh Segall this year before he signed his contract with MSNBC.
NBC News producer Mary Murray, who also does reporting for NBC News and MSNBC, gave $250 to John Waltz (D-KY) this year. In 2008 she gave the same amount to Barack Obama’s presidential campaign.
Update: New York Times reporter Brian Stelter Tweeted that Hayes, in fact, would not be subbing for Olberman after all.
Later Update: Alex Pareene at Salon notes that CNBC anchor Larry Kudlow donated to former Congressman Christopher Shays (R-CT) in 2009 — one of a number of donations Kudlow made to Republican candidates over the years.
Even later update: Chris Hayes Tweeted that it was his decision to decline to host “Countdown” tonight, and that his donations were all made prior to his MSNBC contract. Also MSNBC has had others like Geogary who spoke at a republican event, hereThe National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB), which calls itself “the voice of small business,” is one of the Republican party’s strongest allies. The group spent over $1 million on outside ads in the 2010 campaign — all of it backing Republican House and Senate candidates (and, Bloomberg News reported last month, “another $1.5 million that it kept hidden and said was exempt” from disclosure requirements). The group is the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit against the Obamacare law and bankrolled state governments’ challenges to the law. The NFIB has also taken stances against allowing the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases, opposing regulations on businesses, and supporting curtailing union rights.
Given the group’s obvious Republican alliance, it comes as little surprise that the NFIB’s three-day 2012 Small Business Summit, which begins Monday, will feature headliners Karl Rove and House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH).
But the first name and photo on the invitation for the $150-per-person event — Tuesday’s “keynote address” speaker — is NBC’s Meet the Press host David Gregory. He is marketed by NBC as an anchor and “trusted journalist.”
The Society of Professional Journalists’ Code of Ethics states:
Journalists should:
— Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
— Remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility.
— Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and shun secondary employment, political involvement, public office and service in community organizations if they compromise journalistic integrity.
Regardless of whether Gregory is being paid for this event and of what he says in his keynote, allowing the NFIB to raise money for its political mission using his name, reputation, and celebrity appears to be at odds with journalistic ethics.
Gregory did not to respond to a ThinkProgress request for comment. So your article just shows what a hypocrite krutz, where does krutz get on Georgary case for speaking at a even or when ED was suppose to speak at a Wisconsin event, so Krutz has no creadiblity when it comes to KO. Also all those stories have been disaproved, KO never had people put notes outside his box that came from suggestions jack and a disgulted employer made the other stuff up, also dealing with personal problems like his parents death that shows that KO bad and hard to work with, also dude that shows that MSNBC was not watching Countdown because he was not getting angry after his parents died, that shows that MSNBC wants to lie, mangement wants to re-write the history of who put them on the map, that how BS, also this came from gawker I suppose to believe gossip site on how KO cannot get work, maybe you should read Carter when it comes to this and than tell me that KO is unemployableGiven Keith Olbermann’s abrupt removal at Current and his typically temperate response — “Current’s statement are untrue and will be proved so in the legal actions I will be filing against them presently” — it seems as if his next stop will be a puppet show shot from a basement somewhere. He’ll never work in this town, or any other, again, right?
Wrong. Many of his past employers will testify to his unmanageability and unpleasantness, but the fact of the matter is that somewhere, sometime, after some kind of cooling-off period, Mr. Olbermann will be coming to a television near you.
That has less to do with the greater fool theory, which suggests that there will always be someone naïve enough to think that they can accomplish what others have not — that is, make Mr. Olbermann behave like a professional when he is not on the air. (Remember that former Vice President Al Gore and Joel Hyatt — two of the principals at Current — blew through many stop signs to get to Mr. Olbermann. They made very hopeful statements when the deal was cut, which were followed by very frustrated noises thereafter.)
No, the mistake that the executives at Current made was to think that by giving Mr. Olbermann a stake in the enterprise and a title of chief news officer, he would forgo the drama that has characterized his stints at CNN, Fox, ESPN and MSNBC. After all, you can’t rail against the Man when you are the Man.
But Mr. Olbermann is talent, and a big baby to boot — any reporter who has covered him could tell you all about that — so the idea that he would default to the good of the many over the needs of the one is just not in his nature. The title was used as leverage, nothing more, when Mr. Olbermann became dissatisfied and starting communicating with his employers through lawyer letters months ago. Mr. Olbermann is a ferocious fan of team sports, but that’s not how he plays the game.
He is the equivalent of a supremely talented left-handed pitcher with a strong arm — and some obvious control issues — that can give whatever team hires him a lot of quality innings. On the bench and off the field? He will complain about his coach, his teammates, the quality of the field and the stadium lights.
He did not solve the miserable ratings math at Current — as my colleague Brian Stelter pointed out, in his 40 weeks on Current TV, he had an average of 177,000 viewers at 8 p.m., a shadow of his former incarnation at MSNBC where he drew a million-plus people a night.
That’s not all his fault. Anybody who has watched the Keith-less version of Current could understand why they wanted him so badly in the first place. Beset by technical problems that had Mr. Olbermann broadcasting his show with a black backdrop in a kind of hostage/protest motif, Current was not and is not ready for prime time.
The channel’s election coverage has been tendentious and painful to watch, and the depth of its bench can be measured by the fact that it is bringing aboard former Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer of New York to replace him. Current will have to do some renovating to make room for all of the baggage he brings with him, from both his scandal-ridden exit from the governorship and his ratings-challenged turn at CNN.
Which brings us back to Mr. Olbermann. Anchoring a show on television looks easy. Buy a nice suit, get a nice haircut and read the words on the prompter in the right order with some semblance of conviction. But it’s not. As cable stations proliferate, the desperate search for people who can credibly show up every night — or not, as Mr. Olbermann was frequently on strike at Current — and hold an audience’s attention will only become more acute. Mr. Olbermann has a terrible relationship with actual humans, but a very good relationship with the camera.
When I was working on a magazine piece about Mr. Olbermann, we went to a Yankees game and he explained the camera voodoo:
“Mechanically, if you look very carefully in a camera, it has a series of reflections and dimensions to it, you can look past that,” he said. He holds up his hands in the shape of a box. “Here’s the camera, here’s the front of the camera, here’s the lens of the camera, but if you look deeply enough, you can see the inner rings at the far end of the lens and maybe a glimmer of light very deep in the distance. You can always see something that might be an inch or two below the surface. Whenever I can, I try to focus there, not on the prompter or the front of the lens.”
Maybe that’s overexplaining something that is actually innate, but history has shown that even though Mr. Olbermann’s employers do not like him, the camera, and the people at the other end, like him just fine. As Jonathan Wald, the producer for Piers Morgan put it, somewhat more industrially, in a tweet on Saturday night, “Stars star and producers produce.”
And that means he will find work. He is a free agent in a business that is remarkably akin to pro sports, full of divas who are great at hitting the curve or making impossible catches, but baffled by the rest of life. Think Terrell (“I love me some me”) Owens. Or Randy Moss. Or Babe Ruth. Or Ted Williams. Jerks, louts and narcissists, all tolerated because within the four corners of the diamond, the football field and, yes, the television studio, they can do what others cannot.
So some executives will eventually plug their noses and write a check and a contract that they hope will contain Mr. Olbermann’s less attractive aspects. He and they will say that this time it will be different, and it may be. Just don’t expect him to be part of the team.
Wow jack so even Carr who would agree with you about KO’s behavoir says that KO is employable and will come back, that is how made up that statement is. You really love to show me why I love KO and why his personality had zero to do with what happened at Current, that article even tells about Hyatt and AIDS aka firing someone with AIDS and you want me to believe KO’s the bad guy. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more and show that all you wnat to do is bash him and put up gossip articles that can easily get refuted, you also do not get what I do about KO is that he a professional and someone that is not afraid to stand up for what he believes in which is what mangement hates about him and why he has a hard time with them, it what people love, keep lying about KO that is all you know how to do, you keep showing why I am a fan and always will be. Jack you also show why KO got unjustily fired from Current you have no evidence that KO is unemployable, only a gossip site by mangement that for the first two aka MSNBC and Fox are hypocritical and includes Current, and one with someone who has just as bad a reputation as KO suppose to have, and who wants to still get on KO’s case about something that he apologized for showing that she has zero crediblity and sounds like it just a revenge post. KO keep being yourself again will be pissed if you do not get the justice for being unjusticly fired from Current. Jack why does KO been in this industry for 33 years if he so unemployable that is how BS your argument is. KO keep being yourself and showing off your great personality and showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come, keep being yourself KO and you will always have a fan in me, again Current needs to stop lying and tell people the truth that your personality and ego is not why you got fired and that you work fine with others, Hyatt needs to explain why he and Brohem thinks it okay to make thier broadcating stars to work with a throat infection, that jack shows that Current never cared about KO, just like MSNBC who wants to re-write history and is okay with people that speak at partisain events and other employers doanting but KO the bad guy, that he unbelieveable MSNBC is on that topic. All that shows jack is why I do not watch Current and MSNBC and how dishonest those mangements are. You really love to show that KO works fine with others. KO keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life and why you got unjustily fired from Current. jack you just make me love and respect KO more and more with your BS crap about who he is. Jack thier is no and you just showed once again there is no evidence that KO personality was what got him fired. Keep lying about KO and showing that KO has zero clue how to lie and that you Jack have zero clue how to tell the truth about KO and his past employment. KO love you faults and all. Here is KO true oo job history not your made up debunked version Mike thanks for showing me that you are beyond ingorant on KO’s job history. KO Mike was never fired from MSNBC or ESPN, also Mike KO was rehired by both of those companies, wow some bad personality there, Mike do you live in alternte reality, Mike you do not do last shows which KO did at both MSNBC and ESPN if you been fired. KO and even MSNBC have said that KO quit, he even got his salary that also Mike does not happen when you are fired. So no Mike he has no history of being fired by every employer that is pure BS and again has been debunked. He only be fired from Fox and that was for reporting the truth and Current and that was unjutily because they promised him the moon and never delivered. Also MIke he did not leave for the same reasons, you really hate listening to facts. ESPN he left because he and his bosses could not agree on a new contract, he wanted to go to New York, they wanted him to stay in Bristol, the reason he left the second time was that Patrick had quit ESPN and thier was nothing that he really did, so no ESPN had nothing to do with KO working well with others and personality and ego, so wrong there. MSNBC he left first time because he hated doing repaeted news of Monica Lewinsky, they sold him to Fox Sports, Fox is where he got blackmailed and fired for reporting the truth about Murdoch and the Dogers. So wrong there Mike, MSNBC a second time he left because a they scwered him over on campaign crap and he felt that they were taking creavity control away, again had nothing to do with personality and ego. So Mike you just again show how ingorant you are on KO. KO personlity again is not the reason he got fired at Current, again I care crap about that Mike, and I looked at the evidence thier is no proof Mike that KO broke the contract, none, zipo. Keep embarrassing yourself with made up debunked crap. I do not listen to people who are beyon igorant of KO’s job past espically ones that put out that debunked crap that KO was fired from MSNBC and ESPN. Mike I do not have to be a fan to tell you, people that are fired do not get rest of salary and last shows, KO got a salary from both the times that he worked at ESPN and MSNBC and did a last show that he thanked and said goodbye to people, that shows even to people that are not fans and people that unlike you know what commen sense is and uses it that KO was never fired from those networks. Mike sorry but you lie throught your teeth when you put out the debunked crap that KO’s ego and personality are bad they are not. Mike all you do is make me love and respect and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry only got fired from Current and Fox, quit MSNBC and ESPN both times, that does not show that he hard to work with only that mangers have zero clue how to handle independent, prefetionist like him. I do not oo listen to people about KO who are so igorant when it comes to his work history, those people show that have no idea what facts are. OO you do not do last shows like KO did at MSNBC and ESPN if you were fired, you do not get a salary if you are fired, KO is this generations Murrow, you would not know what Murrow is. You oo are the one that is showing that you are Krusty the clown, you cannot refute anything that I say, so you decide instead to be the grammer and spelling police, people that are like that show that they are everything that they claim KO is. KO has worked in this industry for 33 years, that is the truth. OO I know that people that lie about KO’s career show that they are not to be listened to when it comes to KO, because they show that they do not know what facts are. OO you just showed that you do not have common sense. People that live in the real world not your fantasy world know oo that if someone does a last show and still gets a salary, that means OO that they quit and did not get fired. You show that you are beyond igorant when it comes to KO and you know that you are igorant when it comes to KO, but you are such a gutless coward that you only care about putting up debunked crap, like the lies about KO’s career than listen to the truth. You show with that post that KO is this genertions Murrow and you Oo are Krusty the clown and do not say different because I know like all your other posts that will be a lie and just show how igorant you are on KO. OO keep showing that KO can never lie and that you do not know what facts are and what truth is. OO KO only been fired from two places and they were by bad bosses, one that thinks like you telling the truth is bad aka Murdouch and one that wants to be lazy and not take responsibity for what happened at Current, that is it, the other places he quit out. There is no evidence but in your mind OO that KO was fired from MSNBC and ESPN. You do not even know what being fired is and what quiting is that is how made up your posts are.
OO quiting is when you do a last show and still get a salary like what happened at MSNBC and ESPN, getting fired is no salary and no last show that is what happened at FOX and Current, anyone with a brain that they like to use unlike you know that. You are so igorant on who KO is. YOu show again with this post why KO is this generations Murrow and show that you do not know what facts are. Keep lying about KO’s job history, the facts are and always will be and if you say different you would be lying and showing that you do not know what a fact looks like. KO quit ESPN in 1997 because of contract neogations falling apart, went to MSNBC quit MSNBC the first time because he wanted to do real news not just report on MOnica Lewnsky all the time, went to FOx got blackmailed by a guy that is know been in a scandal for hacking phones showing that he not to be trusted when it comes to honesty about anything, fired for telling the truth about Murdoch selling Dogers. Went to MSNBC, quit again because he did not like the hypocricracy that went on there and thought that he was loosing support and got a offer from Current. Than got unjustily fired and if you say different you be lying and showing how igorant you are on KO. There is no evidence that his personality is why he not there. This shows that he worked pretty steady in his career also
You again show why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come, you Oo are Krusty beacuse your post has no facts and truth in them. You even lie about KO’s career and put up stuff that has been debunked over and over again. Keep making me love and respect him and showing why I am a life long fan.
I do not listen to people on KO who put up that debunked crap about KO’s career because I know that people like you who say that, have no facts and are not wanting to argue facts all you want to do is show and if you say different than that will be a lie beacuse KO has quit MSNBC and ESPN both times. People like you show why we need KO and why KO is this and always will be this generations Murrow. KO keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life. Love you faults and all. So Paul keep putting out a debunked lie. KO has been working in broadcasting business for 33 years at different jobs. Wow I wonder if you worked that long, also KO is not a rich kid. He was raised in a upper middle class family, that is not what a rich child looks like. Paul I watch KO had his prefectly fine mentally, I guess in your world peoeple that tell the truth and show why they are this genrations Murrow are bad. Also Paul the reason why KO cannot drive if you would listen is That Scinece is called a head injury not brain damage, also KO does not have a personal limo driver, that story Science turned out not to be true, the person that was suppose to have drove KO and said this basically came out and said that he had never drove KO. So keep lying, also you claim to read KO on twitter, so please Science if KO has his own Limo driver why are the pictures like last night that he shows are him reading the subway, wow some driver, also him not being able to drive Science does not mean that he has brain damage, I guess you are going say that people that are visaul imparied are also brain damged because they cannot drive, you really are putting up BS posts and showing that you the unintellngent one, not me and not KO. KO had a head injury that is why he cannot drive, head injuries and brain damage are not the same, you can have damage with out hitting your head, and you can have a regualry head injury that has nothing to do with your brain. Keep showing that you the one that has zero inteillgence and that KO is the intelligent one. Love how you believe debunked stoires. Again keep showing how igorant you are on KO. YOu just love to show why he is this generations Murrow and why you have no idea and never will have a an idea about who he is. KO never broke the contract and Current was not able to pay the drivers, which make sense because they never seemed to pay the electrity bill because KO was in the dark or fix his set. Keep proving that KO cannot make crap up and that you cannot tell the truth. You really love to prove that KO is this generations Murrow and you love to embarrass yourself in showing how igorant you are on him.I guess in Paul fantasy world the only people that are fine mentally are people that can drive, wow Paul people have all sorts of reasons for not driving that does not mean they need to see a shirink or that they have metnal problems, it means that like KO they have a injury that pervents them from see right while driving. Also KO is not gay. So Paul explain to me, how do you know a person is gay, because straight people are so spouse to know how to drive, and have children and family by now. Wow Paul that is not remotely what gay and straight look like. KO has dated women before, he even dated igraham, also I do not listen to people when it comes to who show that they are homophobis like you are. This is the most stupidieset thing that I have read all week. KO fine mentally and always has been only people like Paul who do not know what honesty is and love to make stuff up about people’s private lifes says that. KO tells truth to power, and shows why he this generations Murrow and can never lie. Paul hates KO because he suppose to tell him how bad people that are gay are, and he suppose to let the people that Paul wants to critized to critized, Paul do yourself a favor and learn what mentally ill is. KO standing up to bosses like he did at Current and other places is shows that he cares more about vaules and morals than he does issues and do not put that debunked crap about Current because here is what happened there Again because you do not like hearing the truth here is what happened at Current Again you show that you do not listen to truth or facts, that is a made up talking point. again here is the evidence that you love to igonre that shows that KO was unjustily fired. I do not listen to people like you who keep putting made up crap. Current being a ragtime operations is a BS excuse. ragtime operations do not make people who are have a thorat infection that is serious in KO’s industry have work, that shows that they do not care about who they are hiring, they do not get rid of thier co-Ceo that knows what he doing, that is how made up that statement is here is again is the facts and what happenedWow you also seem to want to lie about KO’s career. KO was not fired from ESPN or MSNBC. I want you to explain to me why was KO able to a last show at ESPN, I did not realize Nick that people that were fired could do that. Nick what happened at ESPN is that they could not find a agreement when it came to reneogationating his contract. He wanted to be in New York, because he was single and cannot drive and had family there. ESPN wanted him to stay in Bristol, so they left on mutal agreement. At MSNBC the first time he quit because he did not want to talk other things beside Lewensky scandal. He was then traded to Fox, he got fired from Fox for reporting the truth about Murdouch selling the LA Dodgers. Which at Fox is not allowed. He was than hired back from MSNBC, and when he left in January of 2011 he was again allowed to do a last show and mangement even said that KO left on his own aka mutal agreement and he got paid the rest of his contract, that shows pacfically that KO was not fired from MSNBC just like ESPN. Also KO was rehired by ESPN to work with Dan Patrick before he left ESPN. Nick keep lying about KO’s career history.
Nick also I want you to explain when has a professional responsible business ever put out a letter that is a personal attack on the person that they letting go, so again explain Nick how this ego and KO’s fault. Also KO keeps his fans up to date on twitter about his abences and what is going on and when the subs are going to on and letting the subs like Press tweet when he going to be on. He also saying who on the show and his staff doing twitter saying who on when Shuster is on, while Current will not take responsible for thier mistakes like the tenichal problems which is business which in the couter-suit they claim is thier job. Nick why did Current want KO to do a commerical for a corporation and have a corporate sponser, when they advertised that they were corporate free, also giving corporation his website, wow trying to make KO a hypocrite to his audience and people like me who are fans, and love that he stands on principle. Why did Current leak the primary story to the press, and KO and his lawyer only confirm that lawyers that were involved that Current said were saying, Nick how is that sabtoging them, when they were putting out email and letters and putting out qutos about KO, and all KO does is defend them and confirm that lawyers involved, along with making KO go against his principles and make them go again what they stood for by being corporate free. Wow Nick that shows that Current is sabtoging themselves and unjustily fired KO.
Nick KO was unjustily fired and that is the truth and thier is nothing that going to change that. Also nick explain why when articles about KO come out he or his team aka lawyer and manger always quoted, but with Current it sources, and that Hollywood story says sources and they say that KO was the one responsible why not deny when KO said they had told him it was his manger. Who is it the manger or KO. and they cannot deny that they blackmaiel and threaten to fire staff, all showing that they not KO realeased the salary. They also never reprimended KO for saying that he was on a preplanned vacation to fans on twitter, showing that they had approved it. So again I would be pissed if KO does not get the justice he deserved for being unjustily fired.
Nick keep making me love KO and respecting him more and more and showing why KO will be aroud for year to come. KO keep being yourself and showing why you are this generations Murrow and you will always have a fan in me. Lov eyou faults and all. Again Hyatt is someone that fired some with AIDS and you take what he says seriously. Dude I researched this over and over again and nothing shows that KO personality is why he not at Current. Keep showing how igorant you are on KO. KO again keep being yourself and sorry that you got unjustily fired at Current. OO loves to show why you are this generations Murrow and that OO loves to put out debut, Paul KO quit ESPN because of a contract disagreement, he did a last show and got a salary, Paul people that get fired do not get to do a last show and say goodbye or get there salary, he was hired back and ended up quiting again. He quit MSNBC first beacuse he wanted to do something other than Lewnisky and MSNBC did not, so he left or said he was sold to Fox sports, was blackmailed at Fox and reported on a true story about Murdouch selling the Dogers and was than fired, wow I did not know that telling the truth and being fired for it and being blackmailed there showed that KO had mental problems, oh that is right is shows that KO is mentally and has always been mentally sound. He went to MSNBC a second time and was there for eight years, he was at ESPN first time for five. Wow expect for Current, KO has even been steady working at the same job for a while with five at ESPN and eight at MSNBC, wow that again shows that Paul would not know what a mental illness is if it bit Paul on the head, he quit because MSNBC mangement is beyond hypocritical with the fact that they do not mind aka Geogary and SHultz people being speakers at fundraisers and Scrabough who only got caught a punished when he donated when KO was unustily punished for it. So MSNBC has a dishonest mangement team, they even do not want to see and keep acknowledging that KO was the one that brought them the success that they have. So wow I did not realize again like Fox mangement aka MSNBC dishonesty mangement was showing that people had mental problems, or that is right it does not. Paul also I have been on twitter, you think that trolls that love to bully and name call people should be allowed to say whatever they want and not get called out. Wow you again show that Paul thinks that name calling and lying about people’s careers and saying made up crap, shows that Paul hates facts. Paul those are the people that KO calls out that shows someone that loves to tell the truth and expose real bullying. This is not what mentally ilness looks. Also he talks politcs and baseball and puts out sunsets and answers questions. Paul I want you to explain how is that mental ilenss. Oh that is right it does not because Paul has no idea what a mental ill person looks like. Also Current KO was dealing with imcomptent mangement, which say that they handled the business part of things but did not want to fix set problems only wanted to complain about them and put blame on others, the one owner Hyatt fired someone with AIDS at his other business and was sued, and while at Current, got rid for no reason at all his co-ceo who knew the business, knew how to handle egos and yes KO has a big ego everyone in his business does, but ego is not why he not at Current, he’s is just right for someone in his industry. So that shows that I should not believe Hyatt when he says anything. His president Broham should know that when someone has a thorat infection aka a broadcaster, you do not try to make them work, espically when they are about to do Super Tuesday, the night before Super Tuesday is not important compared to your broadcaster vocal health. The fact that Brohem did this shows that he cared crap about KO and would have rathered worked him until he vocal chorads were so damaged they prevented KO from every working again even at Current. I was beyond pissed when I read that email. Paul I do not have to be a fan to know that KO is mentally sound, I also know that he is not a and never was a rich kid, yes he went to Hackly but going to a prep school or even a private school Paul does not make a person rich. Also going to Ivy League school like Cornell is also not mean that you are a rich child. Also calling out trolls Paul and putting up cool sunset and sundown photos and tweeting baseball and politics and interacting with people, shows that you are mentally stable, having worked in the brodacasting business and worked steadily in it, shows that you are mentally stable. Driving Paul has nothing to do with mental health. Again Paul I do not listen to people that think it okay to make fun of people that are gay when it comes to mental health. You show Paul and do not say different that KO’s mentally and always been mentally fine, you show that Paul loves to show how much of a homophobe that he is, and that KO unlike Paul knows more about tolerance. Paul wants to show that he igorant about who KO is and what his career and job history are. Paul you show why KO is this generations Murrow and make me love and respect him more with this made up BS piece. I know that anyone putting this out shows that they have no idea who KO is and that they would rather make fun of the mentally ill which is pahtic than listen to the truth. KO keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod, ipad and life. Love how you show Paul what tolerance and what mental stableness is. Also how you have no idea how to be mentally ill or how to be homophobe. Wow keep embarrassing yourself Paul with BS posts like this that shows that Paul does not live in the real world and loves to make lies up about people along with showing what a homophobe he is. KO sorry you got unjustily fired at Current, I will differently be pissed if you do not get the justice that you deserve for being unjustily fired there. Again you are the only one that will get me to watch news again. Love you faults and all. Sorry but KO is the exact opposite of what you potray him as and I some that cares crap about his ego and personality. You again showed that you have no idea who KO is and you love to lie about what his career was. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more, KO was unjustily fired at Current, but he has to be the bad guy because oo can never be told the truth about conservatives and Fox. Sorry but your made up talking points about KO’s career have all been debunked. Thanks for showing why KO is this generations Murrow. You love not get that Current not KO broke the contract, again this comes from someone that cares nothing about KO’s personality and ego, that is why I know that Current is the one that is excatly what they accuse KO of. Also I did not know that you think that broadcaster should work with thorat infections good to know. You think that a broadcaster should loose what gets them the food on table, wow thanks for showing that you are everything that you claim KO is. You show that KO unlike you knows what being human looks like. You would not know it if it bit you. Thanks for showing how igorant you are on what happened at Current and who KO is.
Got to admit your arguments pretty much sold me — as did the mention in the voting guidelines that being on a team that made the postseason shouldn’t be taken into account. I was screaming at the TV at Harold Reynolds when he said, “Cabrera’s team went to the WORLD SERIES”: “Hey, Harold, votes were due in before post-season even started — there was no way of knowing his team would be in the World Series!” (Also no way of knowing he’d take a called strike 3 from Sergio Romo, giving said World Series to my Giants.)
Nice job today, BTW — if you make this a regular habit I’ll be able to impress my Twitter friends with even more baseball knowledge when the season arrives. (You had me looking up Dick Groat — when my husband asked about him I described him as “the Pittsburgh Pirates’ Marco Scutaro”.)
So, RobertaK, what about the voting guideline to consider number of games played, where Cabrera had the distinct edge? Or the one about taking into account such factors as character, loyalty, etc., which clearly calls for inclusion of intangible factors? Way to cherry-pick your argument.
How is Roberta cherry picking evidence.
I do not get why people cannot just say that they disagree with weither Trout should have gotten MVP, is that so hard for beth you and others to do. Again I love KO but thier have been things that I disagreed aka Obama’s BP resopnse, still does not mean that I think that he cherried picked or did other things, just disagreed.
That is all I am seeing here.
Also I hope KO gets a baseball show, he really makes me love the subject and makes it intersting and fun, could not believe that he made football highlights and this is a sport that I hate fun and intersting. Also as much as I would love for him to have a news show, and I know that he can easily get one, know that burning bridges is a debunk talking point, he looks more happy here and that makes me more happy and satified, care more about his health and happiness than anything else. Cannot wait to be able to watch today.
I know that this is a little late, but I just have to have my say somewhere.
I understand your argument in favor if Mr. Trout and I understand the people that want Mr. Cabrera. I also say a pox on both camps. I have never seen such cherry picking of stats in support of positions. Mr. Kenny claims to want to use only stats that “isolate” individual performance. With the exception of “true” outcomes there are no stats that isolate individual performance. An argument can be made that Mr. Trout’s performance was inflated because he was new and TEAMS did not know how to best approach getting him out. Equally, it can be argued, Mr. Cabrera’s stats were deflated because he is well known and TEAMS did know how to best approach to getting him out. I’m not saying that that was the way it was, I’m just saying that virtually none of the stats, the exceptions being Walks, Strikeouts and Home Runs, are really individual.
If I was building a team from scratch, I’d take Mr. Trout (actually I’d take Mr. Harper as I think he has more upside) because with his youth, you’d have a chance that he would still be relevant when the team started to challenge for titles. If I had an established team and needed a player to put me over the top, I’d take Mr. Cabrera. His proven long term performance trumps Mr. Trout’s single season.
So, which do I think was the MVP for 2012? Mr. Cabrera because I would pay him more in a one year deal then I would pay Mr. Trout.
This is a very intersting post, I was thought that people should just say that they disagree when it comes to who they wanted. Again I would say to the MLB network that if you gave KO a show I would watch, he makes baseball fun and interesting.
KO again MLB needs to give you a baseball show, you really make baseball fun and intersting. I love that hotess story and you really make me love and respect you and you show again why you are this generations Murrow. Again sorry you got treated like crap at Current will not be happy if you do not get the justice that you deserve. Keep being yourself and you will have a life long fan in me. Love you faults and all. Also tell Brain kenny that sweater looks awful. Again love you faults and all.
CHICAGO, March 31, 2012—Yesterday, cable channel Current TV fired noted baseball collector, toxic-talker, and the “Worst Person in the World,” Keith Olbermann.
Not only was he fired. He was given the respect that he deserved: Current TV showed how highly it regarded him by refusing to let him air a sign-off show. The channel simply said hit the road, adios, hasta la bye-bye, get lost, and don’t let the door hit you in the behind on the way out.
It took Current TV less than a year to realize what it took eight years for MSNBC to learn. Media is a business, especially corporate media. And Keith Olbermann is bad for business.
Paying this posturing prima donna $10 million a year was a serious lapse of business judgment. He could not generate that much revenue for the network to break even.
Al Gore and Current TV’s executives may have been ingesting greenhouse gas when they hired Olbermann, paying him a king’s ransom, a contract reportedly worth upwards of $50 million. It is not a matter of what they were thinking. You wonder whether they were even thinking at all.
Perhaps they’re ingesting something more powerful now. They hired the boring and infamous Client Number Nine, disgraced former New York governor Eliot Spitzer, to replace Olbermann.
They replaced a miserable misanthrope with a patron of prostitutes.
Eliot Spitzer is the political equivalent of Keith Olbermann. He spent his career chasing, persecuting, and destroying the reputations and careers of everyone who represented all the things he hated, which proved to be quite a few. All the while, he indulged himself by – David Letterman said it best – “banging whores.”
Perhaps Al Gore saw a kindred spirit in Eliot Spitzer, given what are reported as the former veep’s similar problems not so long ago.
Current TV originally hired Olbermann as their Chief of News. The acronym C.O.N. was apt. Olbermann is an expert on baseball cards and sports memorabilia, not news, journalism, or politics.
He has been conning media executives and the public for years.
Olbermann was never knowledgeable, entertaining, or even intelligent. He was both clever and savage, a bad genetic hybrid between a sly fox and a snarling junk-yard dog. Hatred, it seems, consumes Olbermann.
It is all he has to deliver, and he delivered it in spades.
His savagery tapped into the abiding hatred that is the current hallmark of what’s known as the “progressive” movement, whose members hypocritically proclaim that “hate is not a family value.” Unless they are doing the hating.
Olbermann fit right in with their hypocrisy. Haters needed someone to affirm and play to their tender sensitivities. Olbermann affirmed their self-esteem.
Olbermann brought viewers and decent ratings to MSNBC. But Olbermann always forgot one thing: He is an employee. He works for other people. Olbermann thinks it is the other way around.
He has a nasty habit, matching his personality, of battling his employers at every turn. It is not sound to go to war with the people who pay your salary.
Olbermann also imagined he was the only star at his various places of employment. Everyone else was a just bit player in his orbit. As a result, his ego rose as rapidly as his ratings and numbers of viewers did. It took MSNBC too long to realize he and his super-sized ego were damaging their brand and the brand of their parent, NBC.
It took them way too long to realize they did not need Olbermann.
Olbermann is the Michael Savage of the left, a raging lunatic and master of asinine agitprop.
The real problem with liberal and progressive media is their absolute refusal to do those things that make conservative media so successful. That is why they consistently fail or flounder.
If you want to be as successful as Rush Limbaugh you have to model Rush Limbaugh.
If you want to be a network success, like Fox News, you have to model Fox News. You need a combination of knowledge of what it is that the public really wants and needs, and talent that can produce and give it to them. It helps to find a niche too, preferably one that’s not already saturated with coverage.
Conservative media was successful because in the beginning, there was none, and it still remains in the minority in the media firmament. People are always looking for something different, especially if they possess more than a few functioning brain cells.
Most “progressive” programming is either boring, vulgar, silly, or inspired by pure hatred. Some of it is simpering superciliousness, like the work of Chris Matthews. Such programming is not informative or entertaining.
Constantly repeating its mantra that the right lies, or worse, the right is expletives deleted, the dubious work of what some have called the “mainstream media” (MSM) is hardly a blueprint for lasting success.
In terms of popularity, it also helps if the on-air talent has an appealing personality. “Progressives” are like dour, angry, tantrum-throwing two year olds. The cuteness wears thin whether such spoiled brats are toddlers or middle aged adults.
Look at poor Al Franken. A man of enormous talent, he found out the hard way that “progressive” media is not profitable media. After he failed in radio he needed to eke out a living. Not being overly proud, he lowered himself further, taking a menial job as a lowly politician. A man’s got to do what a man’s got to do.
Keith Olbermann is now unemployed and probably unemployable in news or opinion media.
But perhaps there’s hope. Maybe he could pitch a new show for the “Home Shopping Network,” selling baseball cards, sports memorabilia, and bathtubs. Things he really knows about.
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OO you show again that you have zero clue what being fired and quiting means, first KO was wrongly fired by Current, thier is no eveidence expect in KO bashers like you who show you know KO as much as you know Madoff, and MSNBC he quit, here again is KO’ s job history Wow KO needs to sue over what happened at Current, you again do not listen, this has been debunked, again here is what happened first KO was dealing with a thorat infection KO was working while he had a thorat infection which is a big no in his industry and you are putting out that made up crap that has been debunked over and overe again that his attiude is what got him fired, Hope I reading his timeline where is KO being a dick, all he doing he telling you his opoin on Yankee fans that is not what being a dick looks like, I guess you are like Cenk and TC in that KO thinks that Cenk will not get ratings and thinks he does not tell the truth, and Cenk grants a interview and that shows that KO is two faced, wow I want you, TC and Cenk to explain how is that two faced, because I do not have to be a fan of KO to know that is not what a two face is, just like I do not have to be a fan to know that working while you are having thorat problems and getting told by a impocomptent mangement that wants to say they are professinal responsible and in charge of buiness side but will not fix a set or give KO a new studio and will not even let him rest his voice, and KO’s mad explain how is KO’s attitude got him fired, Why Hope should I believe a guy that fired someone with AIDs when it comes to honesty and morals, wow keep showing Hope how KO got unjustily fired at Current there is no proof that KO’s attitude got him fired, and KO telling you what he thinks of Yankee fans is not what being a dick is. You two show that KO is right about Yankee fans, you two disgust me with your bashing of KO because Yankee fans can never be critized. So I want you to explain why KO who works in broadcasting should be working why he sick, wow so I guess you think that broadcaster should loose thier voices. Here is another oneSorry but keep shwoing that you where not KO fan, KO’s attitude has zero to do with what happened at Current, I want you to explain why KO was promised to be news cheif and never got it, wow I guess wanting what he promised shows that his attitude was the problem, Hope I read his lawsuit and the conter-suit and nothing in there shows that KO broke the contract and I care crap about his attitude, nothing shows Hope that KO’s attitude is why he not at Current, that Hope has been debunked over and over again, Hope KO giving what he thinks of Yankee fans is not what being a dick looks like, you and bmer bashing KO and not letting KO disagree with you about Yankee fans that is what dickish bevahior is. Hope keep showing that you were no KO fan and that you not KO are the dick. Hope I want you to work with tenichal problems and studio falling apart and mangement that puts out negitive articles about you and than come bakc with that made up crap about KO’s attitude. Hope it not KO’s job to praise Yankee fans up the wall, people like you make me sick, if KO does not agree with you, you go with the made up talking points that he got fired for a bad attidue and that he a dick, because you and bmer cannot take that not everyone thinks that Yankee’s and there fans are the greatest since silece bread Hope keep showing me that KO’s attitude hasd and always will have zero to do with what happened at Current and that you have zero idea what being a dick is, you are being one right now with your BS about KO being bad because he angry at Yankee fans. KO keep being yourself and again will be pissed if you do not get the justice you deserve for being unjustily fired. Also Bmer you just keep showing that you not kO are the dick, so because KO read your tweet on the air that means that he has to tell you how great Yankee fans are. I have read his timeline Bmer there is nothing there that showing he being a dick, that is pure BS by you and hope who hate it when Ko critizes things that you do not want critized. Wow so again KO personality and this is from someone who cares crap about his personality was not the reason he was at Current. He doing the right thing by suing, you love to put up crap that has been debunked over and over agian showing that you do not know who KO is and showing that you do not care about facts and truth. Keep making me love and respect KO more. KO is not mental case, and Paul I do not listen to people that are total igorant on KO work history, he has not got fired from every job here again is KO’s work historyYou put a list that is all wrong and is all been debunked. OO you do not even know KO career, KO has not been fired from MSNBC and ESPN, again here is what happened Keep showing that you would rather bash KO than listen to the truth, that he has never naplenmed a bridge and that he unemployable has always been debunked and always will be, I look at those articles and you have to live in fantasy world if you think that shows that KO is a jerk or that he unemployable, I already apologized for what happened with Suzie but people like you want to put that out because KO has to be a bad guy here is what KO did A long, long time ago, one of my bosses at ESPN told me that during times of contention, I always showed too much backbone.
Well, he was damned right.
A whining sacroiliac sent me to the chiropractor’s last week and the X-rays proved my old boss literally correct. I am part of that hidden minority, the spinal mutants, who have six lumbar vertebrae instead of the customary five. I do have too much backbone.
This was the final sign that it was time to do something that for months has been crystallizing out of the gauzy haze of the unconsciousness that surrounds us all: I need to apologize to ESPN.
This began to become evident weeks ago when the deputy mayor of Indianapolis attacked Chris Mortensen, one of my reportorial role models. I once watched Mort protect a source who not only publicly denied what he’d told Mort in private but also questioned his ethics. Just this month, Mort went on the air and criticized the thoroughness of his own reporting on a story. Mortensen is the gold standard, and this hack politician slashed him and said ESPN was “a sports channel first and a news organization fifth.” I was amazed to find my hackles rising and myself rushing to defend my old employers on my radio sportscast.
It all became remarkably clear after that. This isn’t about my skeletal freakiness, or Chris Mortensen, or even, particularly, the primary area of wounded feelings for my former bosses and colleagues, Mike Freeman’s book about the network. This isn’t even about specific events or people, although nearly everybody at ESPN merits an apology from me, and I give it willingly and with great sadness, but with some hope that it will explain if not erase my actions, and might even be of some inspiration to any who might be afflicted in the same curious way I’ve come to learn I am.
This is about not knowing why you do things — literally, not knowing for years and years — and then suddenly beginning to scratch the surface of understanding. That earlier imagery about the gauzy haze is almost factually precise: It feels as if I’ve been coming out of a huge fog bank.
Enough preamble. After five and a half years there, I left ESPN at the end of June 1997. My decision inspired a lot of head-scratching, everything from graffiti on a wall in a syndicated comic strip, to shouts of “traitor” from a viewer at a World Series game. There have been a lot of explanations conjectured, by myself and others, but heretofore I have never definitively stated why I left — in large part because until recently, I didn’t really know. In point of fact, I couldn’t handle the pressure of working in daily long-form television, and what was worse, I didn’t know I couldn’t handle it.
Not the broadcasts themselves, mind you — I’ve rarely had as much fun in life as I used to during those hours on the air with Dan Patrick. I’m talking about an inability to digest all that led up to those hours, about which I had no clue at all. And unless somebody at ESPN had the insight to look for a big-picture pattern, nobody else had any clue at all. I think some executives, most notably John Walsh, had a sense that something was wrong. But whatever any of them said about “insecurity” or “perfectionism,” I know I just took it as an attack and stiffened my extra-long spine.
On top of everything else about it that can destabilize the soul, television is fraught with a million commonplace things that can go wrong. A surprisingly large number of things can go wrong even when everybody involved is giving their all. It’s the nature of a medium so complex it would’ve made Rube Goldberg blanch.
But I didn’t see it that way.
I have lived much of my life assuming much of the responsibility around me and developing a dread of being blamed for things going wrong. Moreover, deep down inside I’ve always believed that everybody around me was qualified and competent, and I wasn’t, and that some day I’d be found out. If you think that way, when somebody messes up, you can’t imagine that it just “happened.” Since they’re so much better than you are, how could they not complete a task successfully? They have to be not trying hard enough — and when they don’t try and the show goes to hell, who gets blamed? You do.
In other words, you start thinking like George Steinbrenner, circa 1977.
Mix that in to the very public nature of the field, and especially the high-profile nature of a job like hosting “SportsCenter,” and you have a combustible combination.
The results can probably be summarized by this conversation I recall from the weeks after the infamous launch of ESPN2 in 1993. After three hours of live shots failing, news breaking, entire 20-minute segments of the show being swapped during commercial breaks, tapes physically falling apart, and production assistants wiping out as they ran through the snow to try to get us information, the producers, my co-host Suzy Kolber and I somehow managed to cover Michael Jordan’s first retirement professionally and entertainingly.
Afterwards, the coordinating producer, Norby Williamson, greeted us like the survivors of a World War I foxhole at Ypres. “Great job. Great show,” he said.
“The hell it was,” I said.
Wrong answer.
You suspend — no, let’s be exact about this, I suspended — the whole human part of the equation. It never occurred to me that most of the problems were the result of mere events. Even the chaos that surrounded the entire launch of the experimental show “SportsNight” was merely the inevitable result of the fact that it was experimental.
And it never, ever occurred to me that if it failed, I wouldn’t be found out, fired, banished, finished.
The oddest thing about all this, is that even when I left — and in six weeks I will have been gone longer than I was there — executives like Walsh and Howard Katz underscored that I was welcome to return at some distant future date, despite all the Sturm und Drang. And, man, I was usually producing both the Sturm and the Drang. Months later, Katz even approached me about contributing to ESPN Classic, shortly after the company had bought that network.
Of course, I could not know that the major bone of contention, the veritable sixth lumbar vertebra of contention, still awaited: Freeman’s book. I should herein point out that none of this should reflect on Mike: He did an exhaustively thorough job, and more to this point, he didn’t misquote me, not once, nor did he use anything I said out of context. Nor did he cajole or sweet-talk me into discussing topics I didn’t want to discuss. Also, this isn’t some kind of loudspeaker confession from George Orwell’s “1984.” I’m not going to renounce most of my criticisms of the place. I did not consort with Goldstein. I don’t think I was wrong on the issues — I think my methodology was wrong. Outstandingly wrong.
My answers to Freeman constituted the ultimate act of somebody who lived in terror of being blamed. After I left for NBC in 1997, I was unprepared for a question I would literally hear daily — on the street, at events, even on the air on MSNBC: “Why’d you leave ‘SportsCenter’?” If you make a decision in your life, even one as eminently logical and self-improving as “Why’d you start washing your hair every day?” and you start getting questioned hourly about it, you’re going to start second-guessing yourself. I eventually got up to about my millionth guess.
So. The logic was impeccable. To answer that question, I couldn’t take the blame (responsibility) for the disaster (career growth) about which I was being persecuted (sympathetically asked about). Why did I leave “SportsCenter”? Obviously, because it was a medieval torture chamber (fairly typical television workplace providing a high level of ego gratification and creative freedom).
There’s a lot in Freeman’s book that I regret. I won’t inundate you with details, but a few require specificity. Referring to ESPN’s executives, I told Freeman that “other than Steve Anderson, I don’t think any of them are any good.” Well, that was ridiculous then and it is ridiculous now. Without even judging how good they were, just to keep a monolith like ESPN on the air every day requires as many good executives as they have at NORAD.
As suggested earlier, I don’t regret my stances on the work environment there, but to say that some actions management took were merely “covering their ass legally” was to subtract the humanity from the equation. It never dawned on me that some of these guys had been thrown in at the deep end of the pool, or would have to expose, prosecute and fire friends and colleagues who themselves had done things that until a decade before had been standard operating procedure at every corporation in America.
I now read with horror of my ESPN2 co-host, Ms. Kolber, sequestering herself in the women’s bathroom and weeping over how I treated her. She told Freeman that as things deteriorated, I wouldn’t talk to her. She’s wrong: I couldn’t talk to her. I pumped up some small-scale complaints into a scenario in which she was at fault for everything ESPN2 hadn’t become. I wasn’t completely obtuse back then, and if anything would have cut through my neuroses, it would’ve been a colleague’s tears. If I had known, I think I could’ve jumped over the fence I’d built around myself and said what the inner guy always knew: No TV show is worth crying over. Suzy: I’m sorry.
There are lots of little gratuitous shots in there that also reflect an insensibility to parts of reality. I get queasy at all of them, but one stands out as representative. Freeman accurately quotes me as complaining about how a labor-intensive participatory field piece I did in 1996 about what the first-base coach does and says during a game, got little airtime. A year later, ESPN ran a similar piece in which the coaches of the Anaheim Angels wore microphones. I complained to the relevant coordinating producer, Jeff Schneider, and he replied that the new ESPN-Disney-Angels connection explained why one piece ran and the other didn’t. It is almost certain that Schneider was joking, or tweaking me, or, most probably, protecting me from a fact I could never have admitted to myself or have survived hearing from him or anybody else: My coaching piece just wasn’t that good.
Several ESPN folks suggested to Freeman that I was trying deliberately to violate the rules — appearing on other networks and writing for publications without notifying them just to tweak management. That was almost right on the money. But it wasn’t as simple as merely trying to annoy ESPN or John Walsh or whoever else. It was me trying to give myself an excuse to get out from under the pressure of working in an environment of my own creation in which I daily expected the blame ax to fall. It was prepackaged sour grapes.
Oddly, I did figure some of this out then, which is why, even after we’d finalized my departure I went back and proposed to them that I do one show a week. That really was instinct cutting through all of these neuroses. That was, should’ve been, and remains my ideal TV schedule: one or two days a week, and the other five or six to remember that I’m not going to be blamed for everything by anybody — even myself.
So, I’m sorry. It should have been done differently. It wasn’t. Then again, I’m only finding out now about that extra vertebra and the extra steps I have to take to learn how to be, well, flexible. Wow so Suzie is beating up on a guy that was able to man up and apologize for what happened wow that shows that she would not know what character is just like you, also Suzie is not great herself on stuff like working well as you and others want people to believe because jack does not want to hear that KO ego is not why he not on Current, here is what KO said about SuzieBelow is an excerpt from Those Guys Have All The Fun: Inside The World of ESPN, which is finally in paperback so those readers anxious for more Bristol back-biting don’t have to carry around the cumbersome hardcover. The new version includes more bitchy anecdotes from Bill Simmons, further details about Tony Kornheiser’s on-air insults about Hannah Storm, and, of course, more from Keith Olbermann, who maintains that he didn’t treat his one-time co-anchor Suzy Kolber as horribly as most people think.
Keith Olbermann:
I hate to put this on the record, but I’m really annoyed that Suzy has portrayed herself as this sweet bystander victim all the time. I swear on my niece’s head that this is true. When those touch-and-go negotiations for her to stay in ’96 ended, we were all working in a trailer while they rebuilt the newsroom, and Dan I were even sharing a computer. And one day she comes in and tells everybody—and I mean every on-air guy on the network was in this double-wide—”I’m leaving for Fox. It’s been real.” And as soon as she was out the door everybody stood and applauded. McQuade came over to me and said “Well at least her time here produced something positive. You get her computer.
Two-and-a-half years later, maybe the day after I got to Fox, now she’s leaving there to go back to Bristol and she sweeps through the news bullpen to say goodbye and damned but it doesn’t happen again. She says her farewells and as soon as she’s out of earshot, the row of writers stands up and starts applauding and cheering.
I liked Suzy then and I like her now but she wasn’t just sinned against.”
“Suzy’s statement seven or eight years later that I had caused her to go into the bathroom and cry really affected me. I mean, it provoked genuine introspection and sincere guilt. But, honestly, that was the first I’d ever heard of it. I mean, we shared an office desk for six months and she never even hinted that however I had treated her it was a problem.
In fact I had been proactive in trying to help her, because Norby and Mike Bogad were really pushing her around during the earliest rehearsals. My agent, and a very good woman friend of mine at ESPN, came to me and said “you know, you can be a little intimidating sometimes, you should take Suzy out to dinner and be her friend.” That floored me, but I took their word for it, and I tried to remind her that while she was the newcomer, they had bent over backward to try to get her, and the very biggest wigs at Cap Cities had personally pushed for her, and while it made sense for me to lead things off because I was by that time established with the brand, she should not just sit there if they shunted her off to the side or sent her on these punishing trips to Edmonton to interview Doug Flutie or whatever. I said I’d back her up completely. That night, we parted closer than ever. And the next day she was in Norby’s office demanding that she get the lead story instead of me! Wow hearing that just makes me love and show that KO gets along with others just fine.
Murdouch, this is guy who would not know what truth is if you put in his face, Jack do you realize that Murdouch has no idea what honesty is, he also like Hyatt thinks that it okay to blackmail his employees like he did KO hereOn Countdown tonight Keith Olbermann used a Special Comment to detail how Rupert Murdoch blackmailed him when he worked for Fox Sports.
Here is the video:
After retelling the story of how he got fired from Fox Sports for reporting that Rupert was looking to sell the LA Dodgers, Olbermann got to the new details,
The second half of my story I have never told publicly before. It’s time. In June of 2000 after a year and a half of doing two one hour cable shows a night for Murdoch and baseball from 7 AM to 5 PM on Saturdays, I got sick. My doctor told me that if I didn’t among other things slow down at work; he would be treating me for heart disease within the decade. I took him very seriously. I told my employers about cutting back maybe from the six days to 5, and offered to give back to Fox some of my salary in the process because my health was at risk maybe even my heart.
They immediately took me off the air. They refused to put me back on until I had gotten a letter from my doctor guaranteeing them that I was well enough to work. By itself that was hardly an evil thing to do. In fact, I recognized it as a prudent business decision, and I complied because I didn’t know what they intended to do with it. They blackmailed me with it.
Wow a guy who thinks like Hyatt and Brohem thinks that someone should work while they are sick that shows that Murdouch is a boss no one even KO should work for, also jack, KO got fired from there for telling the truth, KO found out that Murdouch was selling the Dogers he even went to someone asking if Mourdouch would be okay with the story, which they said yes and than he was fired when Murdouch, because Jack honesty is not allowed when Murdouch organization is in it, I should listen to a guy that is underinvestigation for warptapping when it comes to how KO is, you really love to show me that KO is easy to work with and that you like Current have zero clue what being hard to work for. MSNBC let’s see they thought that it was okay for Scaurbough to donate also and if KO had not gotten caught would have let Scraubough get away with donating so you show again how hypocritical MSNBC is on that here is MSNBC suspended host Keith Olbermann today, following revelations that he made campaign contributions to three Democrats in the elections — a violation of MSNBC policy.
But a search of OpenSecrets.org reveals that MSNBC host Joe Scarborough and MSNBC contributor Pat Buchanan have also made contributions to political campaigns. Here’s what we found…
In March 2006, Scarborough, who hosts the show Morning Joe, gave $4200 to Derrick Kitts (R-OR). And, as the Daily Kos points out, a month later Kitts was a guest on Scarborough’s show.
Between 2005-2008, Pat Buchanan made five contributions to Republican candidates, totaling $2250.
Chris Hayes, the Washington editor for The Nation, is a frequent contributor to MSNBC shows, and often fills in for Rachel Maddow on her show. The Upshot reports that he gave $250 to Alabama Democratic candidate Josh Segall this year before he signed his contract with MSNBC.
NBC News producer Mary Murray, who also does reporting for NBC News and MSNBC, gave $250 to John Waltz (D-KY) this year. In 2008 she gave the same amount to Barack Obama’s presidential campaign.
Update: New York Times reporter Brian Stelter Tweeted that Hayes, in fact, would not be subbing for Olberman after all.
Later Update: Alex Pareene at Salon notes that CNBC anchor Larry Kudlow donated to former Congressman Christopher Shays (R-CT) in 2009 — one of a number of donations Kudlow made to Republican candidates over the years.
Even later update: Chris Hayes Tweeted that it was his decision to decline to host “Countdown” tonight, and that his donations were all made prior to his MSNBC contract. Also MSNBC has had others like Geogary who spoke at a republican event, hereThe National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB), which calls itself “the voice of small business,” is one of the Republican party’s strongest allies. The group spent over $1 million on outside ads in the 2010 campaign — all of it backing Republican House and Senate candidates (and, Bloomberg News reported last month, “another $1.5 million that it kept hidden and said was exempt” from disclosure requirements). The group is the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit against the Obamacare law and bankrolled state governments’ challenges to the law. The NFIB has also taken stances against allowing the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases, opposing regulations on businesses, and supporting curtailing union rights.
Given the group’s obvious Republican alliance, it comes as little surprise that the NFIB’s three-day 2012 Small Business Summit, which begins Monday, will feature headliners Karl Rove and House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH).
But the first name and photo on the invitation for the $150-per-person event — Tuesday’s “keynote address” speaker — is NBC’s Meet the Press host David Gregory. He is marketed by NBC as an anchor and “trusted journalist.”
The Society of Professional Journalists’ Code of Ethics states:
Journalists should:
— Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
— Remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility.
— Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and shun secondary employment, political involvement, public office and service in community organizations if they compromise journalistic integrity.
Regardless of whether Gregory is being paid for this event and of what he says in his keynote, allowing the NFIB to raise money for its political mission using his name, reputation, and celebrity appears to be at odds with journalistic ethics.
Gregory did not to respond to a ThinkProgress request for comment. So your article just shows what a hypocrite krutz, where does krutz get on Georgary case for speaking at a even or when ED was suppose to speak at a Wisconsin event, so Krutz has no creadiblity when it comes to KO. Also all those stories have been disaproved, KO never had people put notes outside his box that came from suggestions jack and a disgulted employer made the other stuff up, also dealing with personal problems like his parents death that shows that KO bad and hard to work with, also dude that shows that MSNBC was not watching Countdown because he was not getting angry after his parents died, that shows that MSNBC wants to lie, mangement wants to re-write the history of who put them on the map, that how BS, also this came from gawker I suppose to believe gossip site on how KO cannot get work, maybe you should read Carter when it comes to this and than tell me that KO is unemployableGiven Keith Olbermann’s abrupt removal at Current and his typically temperate response — “Current’s statement are untrue and will be proved so in the legal actions I will be filing against them presently” — it seems as if his next stop will be a puppet show shot from a basement somewhere. He’ll never work in this town, or any other, again, right?
Wrong. Many of his past employers will testify to his unmanageability and unpleasantness, but the fact of the matter is that somewhere, sometime, after some kind of cooling-off period, Mr. Olbermann will be coming to a television near you.
That has less to do with the greater fool theory, which suggests that there will always be someone naïve enough to think that they can accomplish what others have not — that is, make Mr. Olbermann behave like a professional when he is not on the air. (Remember that former Vice President Al Gore and Joel Hyatt — two of the principals at Current — blew through many stop signs to get to Mr. Olbermann. They made very hopeful statements when the deal was cut, which were followed by very frustrated noises thereafter.)
No, the mistake that the executives at Current made was to think that by giving Mr. Olbermann a stake in the enterprise and a title of chief news officer, he would forgo the drama that has characterized his stints at CNN, Fox, ESPN and MSNBC. After all, you can’t rail against the Man when you are the Man.
But Mr. Olbermann is talent, and a big baby to boot — any reporter who has covered him could tell you all about that — so the idea that he would default to the good of the many over the needs of the one is just not in his nature. The title was used as leverage, nothing more, when Mr. Olbermann became dissatisfied and starting communicating with his employers through lawyer letters months ago. Mr. Olbermann is a ferocious fan of team sports, but that’s not how he plays the game.
He is the equivalent of a supremely talented left-handed pitcher with a strong arm — and some obvious control issues — that can give whatever team hires him a lot of quality innings. On the bench and off the field? He will complain about his coach, his teammates, the quality of the field and the stadium lights.
He did not solve the miserable ratings math at Current — as my colleague Brian Stelter pointed out, in his 40 weeks on Current TV, he had an average of 177,000 viewers at 8 p.m., a shadow of his former incarnation at MSNBC where he drew a million-plus people a night.
That’s not all his fault. Anybody who has watched the Keith-less version of Current could understand why they wanted him so badly in the first place. Beset by technical problems that had Mr. Olbermann broadcasting his show with a black backdrop in a kind of hostage/protest motif, Current was not and is not ready for prime time.
The channel’s election coverage has been tendentious and painful to watch, and the depth of its bench can be measured by the fact that it is bringing aboard former Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer of New York to replace him. Current will have to do some renovating to make room for all of the baggage he brings with him, from both his scandal-ridden exit from the governorship and his ratings-challenged turn at CNN.
Which brings us back to Mr. Olbermann. Anchoring a show on television looks easy. Buy a nice suit, get a nice haircut and read the words on the prompter in the right order with some semblance of conviction. But it’s not. As cable stations proliferate, the desperate search for people who can credibly show up every night — or not, as Mr. Olbermann was frequently on strike at Current — and hold an audience’s attention will only become more acute. Mr. Olbermann has a terrible relationship with actual humans, but a very good relationship with the camera.
When I was working on a magazine piece about Mr. Olbermann, we went to a Yankees game and he explained the camera voodoo:
“Mechanically, if you look very carefully in a camera, it has a series of reflections and dimensions to it, you can look past that,” he said. He holds up his hands in the shape of a box. “Here’s the camera, here’s the front of the camera, here’s the lens of the camera, but if you look deeply enough, you can see the inner rings at the far end of the lens and maybe a glimmer of light very deep in the distance. You can always see something that might be an inch or two below the surface. Whenever I can, I try to focus there, not on the prompter or the front of the lens.”
Maybe that’s overexplaining something that is actually innate, but history has shown that even though Mr. Olbermann’s employers do not like him, the camera, and the people at the other end, like him just fine. As Jonathan Wald, the producer for Piers Morgan put it, somewhat more industrially, in a tweet on Saturday night, “Stars star and producers produce.”
And that means he will find work. He is a free agent in a business that is remarkably akin to pro sports, full of divas who are great at hitting the curve or making impossible catches, but baffled by the rest of life. Think Terrell (“I love me some me”) Owens. Or Randy Moss. Or Babe Ruth. Or Ted Williams. Jerks, louts and narcissists, all tolerated because within the four corners of the diamond, the football field and, yes, the television studio, they can do what others cannot.
So some executives will eventually plug their noses and write a check and a contract that they hope will contain Mr. Olbermann’s less attractive aspects. He and they will say that this time it will be different, and it may be. Just don’t expect him to be part of the team.
Wow jack so even Carr who would agree with you about KO’s behavoir says that KO is employable and will come back, that is how made up that statement is. You really love to show me why I love KO and why his personality had zero to do with what happened at Current, that article even tells about Hyatt and AIDS aka firing someone with AIDS and you want me to believe KO’s the bad guy. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more and show that all you wnat to do is bash him and put up gossip articles that can easily get refuted, you also do not get what I do about KO is that he a professional and someone that is not afraid to stand up for what he believes in which is what mangement hates about him and why he has a hard time with them, it what people love, keep lying about KO that is all you know how to do, you keep showing why I am a fan and always will be. Jack you also show why KO got unjustily fired from Current you have no evidence that KO is unemployable, only a gossip site by mangement that for the first two aka MSNBC and Fox are hypocritical and includes Current, and one with someone who has just as bad a reputation as KO suppose to have, and who wants to still get on KO’s case about something that he apologized for showing that she has zero crediblity and sounds like it just a revenge post. KO keep being yourself again will be pissed if you do not get the justice for being unjusticly fired from Current. Jack why does KO been in this industry for 33 years if he so unemployable that is how BS your argument is. KO keep being yourself and showing off your great personality and showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come, keep being yourself KO and you will always have a fan in me, again Current needs to stop lying and tell people the truth that your personality and ego is not why you got fired and that you work fine with others, Hyatt needs to explain why he and Brohem thinks it okay to make thier broadcating stars to work with a throat infection, that jack shows that Current never cared about KO, just like MSNBC who wants to re-write history and is okay with people that speak at partisain events and other employers doanting but KO the bad guy, that he unbelieveable MSNBC is on that topic. All that shows jack is why I do not watch Current and MSNBC and how dishonest those mangements are. You really love to show that KO works fine with others. KO keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life and why you got unjustily fired from Current. jack you just make me love and respect KO more and more with your BS crap about who he is. Jack thier is no and you just showed once again there is no evidence that KO personality was what got him fired. Keep lying about KO and showing that KO has zero clue how to lie and that you Jack have zero clue how to tell the truth about KO and his past employment. KO love you faults and all. Here is KO true oo job history not your made up debunked version Mike thanks for showing me that you are beyond ingorant on KO’s job history. KO Mike was never fired from MSNBC or ESPN, also Mike KO was rehired by both of those companies, wow some bad personality there, Mike do you live in alternte reality, Mike you do not do last shows which KO did at both MSNBC and ESPN if you been fired. KO and even MSNBC have said that KO quit, he even got his salary that also Mike does not happen when you are fired. So no Mike he has no history of being fired by every employer that is pure BS and again has been debunked. He only be fired from Fox and that was for reporting the truth and Current and that was unjutily because they promised him the moon and never delivered. Also MIke he did not leave for the same reasons, you really hate listening to facts. ESPN he left because he and his bosses could not agree on a new contract, he wanted to go to New York, they wanted him to stay in Bristol, the reason he left the second time was that Patrick had quit ESPN and thier was nothing that he really did, so no ESPN had nothing to do with KO working well with others and personality and ego, so wrong there. MSNBC he left first time because he hated doing repaeted news of Monica Lewinsky, they sold him to Fox Sports, Fox is where he got blackmailed and fired for reporting the truth about Murdoch and the Dogers. So wrong there Mike, MSNBC a second time he left because a they scwered him over on campaign crap and he felt that they were taking creavity control away, again had nothing to do with personality and ego. So Mike you just again show how ingorant you are on KO. KO personlity again is not the reason he got fired at Current, again I care crap about that Mike, and I looked at the evidence thier is no proof Mike that KO broke the contract, none, zipo. Keep embarrassing yourself with made up debunked crap. I do not listen to people who are beyon igorant of KO’s job past espically ones that put out that debunked crap that KO was fired from MSNBC and ESPN. Mike I do not have to be a fan to tell you, people that are fired do not get rest of salary and last shows, KO got a salary from both the times that he worked at ESPN and MSNBC and did a last show that he thanked and said goodbye to people, that shows even to people that are not fans and people that unlike you know what commen sense is and uses it that KO was never fired from those networks. Mike sorry but you lie throught your teeth when you put out the debunked crap that KO’s ego and personality are bad they are not. Mike all you do is make me love and respect and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry only got fired from Current and Fox, quit MSNBC and ESPN both times, that does not show that he hard to work with only that mangers have zero clue how to handle independent, prefetionist like him. I do not oo listen to people about KO who are so igorant when it comes to his work history, those people show that have no idea what facts are. OO you do not do last shows like KO did at MSNBC and ESPN if you were fired, you do not get a salary if you are fired, KO is this generations Murrow, you would not know what Murrow is. You oo are the one that is showing that you are Krusty the clown, you cannot refute anything that I say, so you decide instead to be the grammer and spelling police, people that are like that show that they are everything that they claim KO is. KO has worked in this industry for 33 years, that is the truth. OO I know that people that lie about KO’s career show that they are not to be listened to when it comes to KO, because they show that they do not know what facts are. OO you just showed that you do not have common sense. People that live in the real world not your fantasy world know oo that if someone does a last show and still gets a salary, that means OO that they quit and did not get fired. You show that you are beyond igorant when it comes to KO and you know that you are igorant when it comes to KO, but you are such a gutless coward that you only care about putting up debunked crap, like the lies about KO’s career than listen to the truth. You show with that post that KO is this genertions Murrow and you Oo are Krusty the clown and do not say different because I know like all your other posts that will be a lie and just show how igorant you are on KO. OO keep showing that KO can never lie and that you do not know what facts are and what truth is. OO KO only been fired from two places and they were by bad bosses, one that thinks like you telling the truth is bad aka Murdouch and one that wants to be lazy and not take responsibity for what happened at Current, that is it, the other places he quit out. There is no evidence but in your mind OO that KO was fired from MSNBC and ESPN. You do not even know what being fired is and what quiting is that is how made up your posts are.
OO quiting is when you do a last show and still get a salary like what happened at MSNBC and ESPN, getting fired is no salary and no last show that is what happened at FOX and Current, anyone with a brain that they like to use unlike you know that. You are so igorant on who KO is. YOu show again with this post why KO is this generations Murrow and show that you do not know what facts are. Keep lying about KO’s job history, the facts are and always will be and if you say different you would be lying and showing that you do not know what a fact looks like. KO quit ESPN in 1997 because of contract neogations falling apart, went to MSNBC quit MSNBC the first time because he wanted to do real news not just report on MOnica Lewnsky all the time, went to FOx got blackmailed by a guy that is know been in a scandal for hacking phones showing that he not to be trusted when it comes to honesty about anything, fired for telling the truth about Murdoch selling Dogers. Went to MSNBC, quit again because he did not like the hypocricracy that went on there and thought that he was loosing support and got a offer from Current. Than got unjustily fired and if you say different you be lying and showing how igorant you are on KO. There is no evidence that his personality is why he not there. This shows that he worked pretty steady in his career also
You again show why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come, you Oo are Krusty beacuse your post has no facts and truth in them. You even lie about KO’s career and put up stuff that has been debunked over and over again. Keep making me love and respect him and showing why I am a life long fan.
I do not listen to people on KO who put up that debunked crap about KO’s career because I know that people like you who say that, have no facts and are not wanting to argue facts all you want to do is show and if you say different than that will be a lie beacuse KO has quit MSNBC and ESPN both times. People like you show why we need KO and why KO is this and always will be this generations Murrow. KO keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life. Love you faults and all. So Paul keep putting out a debunked lie. KO has been working in broadcasting business for 33 years at different jobs. Wow I wonder if you worked that long, also KO is not a rich kid. He was raised in a upper middle class family, that is not what a rich child looks like. Paul I watch KO had his prefectly fine mentally, I guess in your world peoeple that tell the truth and show why they are this genrations Murrow are bad. Also Paul the reason why KO cannot drive if you would listen is That Scinece is called a head injury not brain damage, also KO does not have a personal limo driver, that story Science turned out not to be true, the person that was suppose to have drove KO and said this basically came out and said that he had never drove KO. So keep lying, also you claim to read KO on twitter, so please Science if KO has his own Limo driver why are the pictures like last night that he shows are him reading the subway, wow some driver, also him not being able to drive Science does not mean that he has brain damage, I guess you are going say that people that are visaul imparied are also brain damged because they cannot drive, you really are putting up BS posts and showing that you the unintellngent one, not me and not KO. KO had a head injury that is why he cannot drive, head injuries and brain damage are not the same, you can have damage with out hitting your head, and you can have a regualry head injury that has nothing to do with your brain. Keep showing that you the one that has zero inteillgence and that KO is the intelligent one. Love how you believe debunked stoires. Again keep showing how igorant you are on KO. YOu just love to show why he is this generations Murrow and why you have no idea and never will have a an idea about who he is. KO never broke the contract and Current was not able to pay the drivers, which make sense because they never seemed to pay the electrity bill because KO was in the dark or fix his set. Keep proving that KO cannot make crap up and that you cannot tell the truth. You really love to prove that KO is this generations Murrow and you love to embarrass yourself in showing how igorant you are on him.I guess in Paul fantasy world the only people that are fine mentally are people that can drive, wow Paul people have all sorts of reasons for not driving that does not mean they need to see a shirink or that they have metnal problems, it means that like KO they have a injury that pervents them from see right while driving. Also KO is not gay. So Paul explain to me, how do you know a person is gay, because straight people are so spouse to know how to drive, and have children and family by now. Wow Paul that is not remotely what gay and straight look like. KO has dated women before, he even dated igraham, also I do not listen to people when it comes to who show that they are homophobis like you are. This is the most stupidieset thing that I have read all week. KO fine mentally and always has been only people like Paul who do not know what honesty is and love to make stuff up about people’s private lifes says that. KO tells truth to power, and shows why he this generations Murrow and can never lie. Paul hates KO because he suppose to tell him how bad people that are gay are, and he suppose to let the people that Paul wants to critized to critized, Paul do yourself a favor and learn what mentally ill is. KO standing up to bosses like he did at Current and other places is shows that he cares more about vaules and morals than he does issues and do not put that debunked crap about Current because here is what happened there Again because you do not like hearing the truth here is what happened at Current Again you show that you do not listen to truth or facts, that is a made up talking point. again here is the evidence that you love to igonre that shows that KO was unjustily fired. I do not listen to people like you who keep putting made up crap. Current being a ragtime operations is a BS excuse. ragtime operations do not make people who are have a thorat infection that is serious in KO’s industry have work, that shows that they do not care about who they are hiring, they do not get rid of thier co-Ceo that knows what he doing, that is how made up that statement is here is again is the facts and what happenedWow you also seem to want to lie about KO’s career. KO was not fired from ESPN or MSNBC. I want you to explain to me why was KO able to a last show at ESPN, I did not realize Nick that people that were fired could do that. Nick what happened at ESPN is that they could not find a agreement when it came to reneogationating his contract. He wanted to be in New York, because he was single and cannot drive and had family there. ESPN wanted him to stay in Bristol, so they left on mutal agreement. At MSNBC the first time he quit because he did not want to talk other things beside Lewensky scandal. He was then traded to Fox, he got fired from Fox for reporting the truth about Murdouch selling the LA Dodgers. Which at Fox is not allowed. He was than hired back from MSNBC, and when he left in January of 2011 he was again allowed to do a last show and mangement even said that KO left on his own aka mutal agreement and he got paid the rest of his contract, that shows pacfically that KO was not fired from MSNBC just like ESPN. Also KO was rehired by ESPN to work with Dan Patrick before he left ESPN. Nick keep lying about KO’s career history.
Nick also I want you to explain when has a professional responsible business ever put out a letter that is a personal attack on the person that they letting go, so again explain Nick how this ego and KO’s fault. Also KO keeps his fans up to date on twitter about his abences and what is going on and when the subs are going to on and letting the subs like Press tweet when he going to be on. He also saying who on the show and his staff doing twitter saying who on when Shuster is on, while Current will not take responsible for thier mistakes like the tenichal problems which is business which in the couter-suit they claim is thier job. Nick why did Current want KO to do a commerical for a corporation and have a corporate sponser, when they advertised that they were corporate free, also giving corporation his website, wow trying to make KO a hypocrite to his audience and people like me who are fans, and love that he stands on principle. Why did Current leak the primary story to the press, and KO and his lawyer only confirm that lawyers that were involved that Current said were saying, Nick how is that sabtoging them, when they were putting out email and letters and putting out qutos about KO, and all KO does is defend them and confirm that lawyers involved, along with making KO go against his principles and make them go again what they stood for by being corporate free. Wow Nick that shows that Current is sabtoging themselves and unjustily fired KO.
Nick KO was unjustily fired and that is the truth and thier is nothing that going to change that. Also nick explain why when articles about KO come out he or his team aka lawyer and manger always quoted, but with Current it sources, and that Hollywood story says sources and they say that KO was the one responsible why not deny when KO said they had told him it was his manger. Who is it the manger or KO. and they cannot deny that they blackmaiel and threaten to fire staff, all showing that they not KO realeased the salary. They also never reprimended KO for saying that he was on a preplanned vacation to fans on twitter, showing that they had approved it. So again I would be pissed if KO does not get the justice he deserved for being unjustily fired.
Nick keep making me love KO and respecting him more and more and showing why KO will be aroud for year to come. KO keep being yourself and showing why you are this generations Murrow and you will always have a fan in me. Lov eyou faults and all. Again Hyatt is someone that fired some with AIDS and you take what he says seriously. Dude I researched this over and over again and nothing shows that KO personality is why he not at Current. Keep showing how igorant you are on KO. KO again keep being yourself and sorry that you got unjustily fired at Current. OO loves to show why you are this generations Murrow and that OO loves to put out debut, Paul KO quit ESPN because of a contract disagreement, he did a last show and got a salary, Paul people that get fired do not get to do a last show and say goodbye or get there salary, he was hired back and ended up quiting again. He quit MSNBC first beacuse he wanted to do something other than Lewnisky and MSNBC did not, so he left or said he was sold to Fox sports, was blackmailed at Fox and reported on a true story about Murdouch selling the Dogers and was than fired, wow I did not know that telling the truth and being fired for it and being blackmailed there showed that KO had mental problems, oh that is right is shows that KO is mentally and has always been mentally sound. He went to MSNBC a second time and was there for eight years, he was at ESPN first time for five. Wow expect for Current, KO has even been steady working at the same job for a while with five at ESPN and eight at MSNBC, wow that again shows that Paul would not know what a mental illness is if it bit Paul on the head, he quit because MSNBC mangement is beyond hypocritical with the fact that they do not mind aka Geogary and SHultz people being speakers at fundraisers and Scrabough who only got caught a punished when he donated when KO was unustily punished for it. So MSNBC has a dishonest mangement team, they even do not want to see and keep acknowledging that KO was the one that brought them the success that they have. So wow I did not realize again like Fox mangement aka MSNBC dishonesty mangement was showing that people had mental problems, or that is right it does not. Paul also I have been on twitter, you think that trolls that love to bully and name call people should be allowed to say whatever they want and not get called out. Wow you again show that Paul thinks that name calling and lying about people’s careers and saying made up crap, shows that Paul hates facts. Paul those are the people that KO calls out that shows someone that loves to tell the truth and expose real bullying. This is not what mentally ilness looks. Also he talks politcs and baseball and puts out sunsets and answers questions. Paul I want you to explain how is that mental ilenss. Oh that is right it does not because Paul has no idea what a mental ill person looks like. Also Current KO was dealing with imcomptent mangement, which say that they handled the business part of things but did not want to fix set problems only wanted to complain about them and put blame on others, the one owner Hyatt fired someone with AIDS at his other business and was sued, and while at Current, got rid for no reason at all his co-ceo who knew the business, knew how to handle egos and yes KO has a big ego everyone in his business does, but ego is not why he not at Current, he’s is just right for someone in his industry. So that shows that I should not believe Hyatt when he says anything. His president Broham should know that when someone has a thorat infection aka a broadcaster, you do not try to make them work, espically when they are about to do Super Tuesday, the night before Super Tuesday is not important compared to your broadcaster vocal health. The fact that Brohem did this shows that he cared crap about KO and would have rathered worked him until he vocal chorads were so damaged they prevented KO from every working again even at Current. I was beyond pissed when I read that email. Paul I do not have to be a fan to know that KO is mentally sound, I also know that he is not a and never was a rich kid, yes he went to Hackly but going to a prep school or even a private school Paul does not make a person rich. Also going to Ivy League school like Cornell is also not mean that you are a rich child. Also calling out trolls Paul and putting up cool sunset and sundown photos and tweeting baseball and politics and interacting with people, shows that you are mentally stable, having worked in the brodacasting business and worked steadily in it, shows that you are mentally stable. Driving Paul has nothing to do with mental health. Again Paul I do not listen to people that think it okay to make fun of people that are gay when it comes to mental health. You show Paul and do not say different that KO’s mentally and always been mentally fine, you show that Paul loves to show how much of a homophobe that he is, and that KO unlike Paul knows more about tolerance. Paul wants to show that he igorant about who KO is and what his career and job history are. Paul you show why KO is this generations Murrow and make me love and respect him more with this made up BS piece. I know that anyone putting this out shows that they have no idea who KO is and that they would rather make fun of the mentally ill which is pahtic than listen to the truth. KO keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod, ipad and life. Love how you show Paul what tolerance and what mental stableness is. Also how you have no idea how to be mentally ill or how to be homophobe. Wow keep embarrassing yourself Paul with BS posts like this that shows that Paul does not live in the real world and loves to make lies up about people along with showing what a homophobe he is. KO sorry you got unjustily fired at Current, I will differently be pissed if you do not get the justice that you deserve for being unjustily fired there. Again you are the only one that will get me to watch news again. Love you faults and all. Sorry but KO is the exact opposite of what you potray him as and I some that cares crap about his ego and personality. You again showed that you have no idea who KO is and you love to lie about what his career was. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more, KO was unjustily fired at Current, but he has to be the bad guy because oo can never be told the truth about conservatives and Fox. Sorry but your made up talking points about KO’s career have all been debunked. Thanks for showing why KO is this generations Murrow.
Also the Washingtimes is not a legit news paper, I know not to listen to anything that is owned by Mourdouch.
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Your commenting system reflects your personality.Something to ponder.
As Always ; M
KO’s reputation does not need redmeption, and all the evidence was that Current broke the contract and Hyatt has to huge of a ego to admit it, and I am someone that cares nothing about his personlity or ego, but I agree he should get a baseball show, and I would diffently watch he makes it intersting and fun to and something to care about. KO keep being this generations Murrow and keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me.
Wow
You really are crazy and igorant when it comes to honesty and facts. You think that someone saying that Obama is giving them a phone shows that Obama is bad. Excuse me, but this is the most stupidiest vidoe I have every seen and anyone who posts this trying to show that Obama is a bad guy shows that they have no idea who Obama is and the good that he done for this country. Again Oo do you not get that anyone can post stuff on You Tube even crap like this that does not make sense to people that unlike you live in the real world and actually use thier brains. You must be living in crazyland if you think this vidoe shows that Obama is bad, I sorry but all this shows is how igorant you are and why KO is this generations Murrow, you are showing how igorant you are when it comes to this president. I guess you care nothing about the fact that while Obama does not have the best plan, that more people in this country will be insured and do not put up the made up talking points that have gotten debunked about it all it shows is how igorant OO is when it comes to facts and honesty. Thanks for making me love my president more by showing that just like KO you have no idea who Obama is and that you would rather lie and make crap about who they are. Keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come and why Obama is going to be one of the greats when it comes to presidents. You really are igorant about things and you keep embarassing yourself by showing that you do not live the real world. I have to laugh that you think that a video that makes zero sense shows that Obama is bad. Exucse me, but that is this most stupidest thing that I have seen you post yet. Keep showing how igorarnt you are, all you do is make me love and respect not only Olbermann but Obama more. KO again keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life. Again sorry you got unjustily fired and abused at current will not be happy if you do not get the justice that you deserve. OO keep embarrassing yourself with your igorance about who KO is and who are president is and other things, that is all you love to do. KO kee being yourself and you will have a fan in me, love you faults and all.
I’m not saying this woman’s idiocy makes Obama bad.
However, she sounds like a typical Obama supporter/Olbermann fan.
Wow
Sorry but again you show how igorant you are, this is not what the typical Obama/ Olbermann fan sounds like. You really OO love to show how igorant you are, people that need some assitiance OO from the governemnt come from all walks or life, meaning that thier are people out there that support the GOP and Fox news that are Medicad and Medicare, or like that women needs some assistance in helping her phone getting on, this how BS your agrument is, you show by saying this that your igorance on what government does and how it helps people is beyond stupdity. There is no fandom when it comes to government help, wow I guess everyone that needed assistance from FEMA during hurricane katrine where all Clinton supporters, this how made up BS your agrument is. Sorry but KO and Obama supporters are not all on Medicad and Medicare, thier are a lot that have private insurance or work for a big company, and thier are people that watch Fox that need government assistance, so once again you show how igorant you are when it comes to Obama and KO supporters, you also show that you do not get why we need government, and how helpful it can be. I have to laugh with how igorant you are not just about who KO is and who Obama are and who thier supporters are, but what government is and why it helpful. Keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come. Sorry but again that is pure BS showing that OO again loves to embarrass themselves by showing that OO would not know what a KO and Obama supporter looks like if it walked up and bit OO on the nose. You really are igorant about who supports Obama and Olbermann. The people that support KO and Olbermann OO are the ones that are more than willing to help this women get a better life, that is what Obama and KO suppoters are. You OO and others like you would rather bash and say that this women needs to pull up boot stripes crap that never works and will never work. Sorry but please show why KO and Obama supports are nothing like that women but that we unlike you actually want to see that women get the help she needs even if it is governmental help. Wow keep showing that OO would not know obnly who KO is and who Obama is but what thier supporters are like. Keep showing OO that you are beyond igorant on what facts and what lies are. Sorry no this is not the typical KO or Obama supporter. That is pure BS made up in your alternate world were you love to live in, and show that OO has no idea what the real world and commen sense looks like. Keep making me love and repsect this president and KO more by your made up BS about who thier supporters are. That is all you know how to do is lie about KO, Obama and thier supporters and do not say different OO because that will be another embarrassing lie. Keep it up, you show that all KO and even the president need to be is thierselves and they will always have a fan in me. Love you both faults and all.
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That is just typical of you, do not like what you are hearing so you just ignore and put up the finger up. You really are pathic and make me glad that I am a KO fan.
put up the finger OR put the finger up NOT “put up the finger up”
pathetic NOT “pathic”
Keep showing the world the idiocy of the average BB fan.
Your spelling and BB’s work history is what’s PATHETIC.
And judging by the state of her mouth, she’s benefitting from the healthcare bill as well.
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Alot of people republicans and democrats are benfeting from that bill. It not prefect, unversial single payer is the way to go, but it will get more people insured and not so many people having to use the emergency room as the last resort. Keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come. KO keep being yourself and sorry you got abused at Current, will not be happy if you do not get the justice that you deserve for being unjustily fired from there. Love you faults and all.
WOw
OO you really are pathic, you really do not know anything about me, and as are igorant when it comes to me as you are when it comes to KO. I am not a baseball fan and also you show that you have zero clue what a average baseball fan is like. I have to laugh that you are so crazy it to thinking that baseball fans are stupid, or I should say average baseball fans, wow do you love to show that you live in a fantasy world. Also KO knows more about baseball history than you do, Oo keep showing how igorant you are on it seems like lot of fans. You really love to embarrass yourself with your igorance. Keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come. KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me, love you fautls and all.
Wow
Keep showing how igorant you are. I suppose to be impressed that Mathews did not do well on a game show. This is one of the most stupidest videos that I have saw. I care crap how celebrities do on game shows, the fact that you think this is credible shows that you live in alterantive universe and have zero clue what it like in the real world. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more, love you Keith and sorry you got treated like crap at Current, Keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me. You really show why you are this generations Murrow.
Matthews had frequently joked about how various right wingers would do horrible on a
show like Jeopardy. Then he went out there and did this.
And even this idiot managed to hold down a job at MSNBC! LOL!!!!!
Wow
You have to be stupid if you think this is satiring KO, Scarbough cannot even get KO’s voice right. Also that is not what he says at all, so again like News Busters Joe has no idea what KO says and does on Countdown. Just like you have no idea what KO does on Countdown. Also Scarughbough got it wrong in 2008 and KO got it right. Democrats won the house and senate and Virginia was purple because it went for Obama, actually it gone for Obama both times. So again you show that you as igorant on KO as Madoff was to his clients. You really love to come on here and embarrass yourself with how igorant you are about KO’s career and who he is and also what journalism is.
Also News Buster is a hate website, the have never got anything right about KO, just like you have never gotten anything right about KO, they love to defend lies and hate speech, they are about as uncredible site when it comes to hoensty and tolerance as Madoff was to his clients. So the fact that you think that this site is credible source shows me that OO is beyond igorant about what a fact is and what a lie is, and what a credible source means. You really show why KO is this generations Murrow and that OO has no idea what jouranlism and honesty and tolerance is. KO has more tolerance and intergity than that site would know. Thanks for putting up a uncredible site that has been caught lying and defending hate speech all the time, you really are igorant and keep embarassing yourself with how much you are igorant about who KO is and do not say different OO beacuse that would be another lie out of you. Keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come. KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me. Sorry again you got abused at Currnet, will not be happy if you do not get the justice that you deserve. Love you faults and all.
“…Scarbough cannot even get KO’s voice right.”
You don’t HAVE to get the person’s voice right when you’re mocking him/her. That’s the whole point! You’re trying to make him/her look stupid. You use a stupid voice This was about as close as any of the voices BB used during his WPitW segment.
Sorry meant that Virginia did go to Obama in 2008 and again in 2012, if you want to know the truth about that tape. Keep OO showing how igorant you are when it comes to KO that is all you know how to do.
No OO
That is not the point, also if you are going to mock someone you have to at least sound a little like them, because you look stupid and ridclous when you are saying it in a different voice, so wow you show that you are even ingorant when it comes to people mocking, try watching the Satuday Night version of Ben Aflick doing a KO comment if got the voice right on, that is what mocking is. Also OO Scourbogh did not make KO look stupid, they only person that he made look stupid was himself, he did not mock KO OO and he got his info wrong, you have to be stupid if you think that vidoe showed Scarbough mocking KO and making him look stupid. OO keep showing how igorant you are, I have to laugh that you think this is a mocking of KO, or that it made KO look stupid, because it did no such thing, all it did was show that Scarbough is a jerk and that he was only embarrassing himself. OO keep showing that you have zero clue who KO is and that you would not know what mocking is even if it bit you on the nose. OO that is not and never will be a video that shows KO looking stupid or one of someone mocking KO, that is a video of Scarbough embarrassing himself by showing that he has no idea like you who KO is and has zero clue how to read a poll or is crazy enough to think that poll was acurate about Virginia, because Virginia was purple and went for Obama, so Scaurbough was the one that was being stupid in that video and I have to laugh with how guilble you and News Busters are in thinking that this was showing that KO was the bad one, sorry but this was a video that was showing of Scarubough making a laughing stock out himelf and embarrassing himself. OO keep showing how igorant you are KO, you cannot even tell a video were the guy is embarrassing himself aka Scaurbough by bashing KO and putting out false info and showing that he not KO at that time was the stupid one. You really show that you have no idea what facts are, keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow, just like you post of Mathews on Jeapody you again show that KO was not being stupid here and that Scarubough was and that you and News Busters have no ideda what stupidity looks like you are encourging it by posting this BS video that makes KO look good. KO keep being yourself and showing OO how igorant they are about who you are, and how igorant they are about mocking when they post a video of Scarbough acting stupid and you acting smart. OO keep embarassing yourself with your ingorance on KO that is all that vidoe showed. KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me. Love you faults and all.
Actually
what I meant if you want to see a good satire of KO, not excatly a mocking of KO, go see the Ben Aflick version of KO on Saturday Night Live. KO was even flattered by it, and praised Alfick for his preformance. This OO was and always will be a video of Scaurbough acting stupid, I sorry it was not really being completly a jerk but it was not Scarbough mocking KO or showing KO being stupid, because again in the end KO was telling the truth, Virginia was purple and it went for Obama in both 2008 and 2012, so that poll by Gallop was wrong. This was a video showing why you do not take polls serious and how some of them like Gallop are starting to become out of date.
Also do not say that KO is a jerk because he it has been proven that he not OO and if you say otherwise you will be lying. KO told his opoin on Cenk and that he did not like him, and people like you who are igorant on what being a jerk looks like, put up a article that was beyond laughable and was full of lies, I had to laugh that they thought that KO saying well get back to you meant that he wanted Cenk and that it would hurt him, I would love for them to explain what job coaches have told me all the time, that we’ll get back to you means that you are being polite to the person that you are doing a interview. It does not mean that you wanted to hire that person, also it prefectly fine and not showing that you are being a jerk or two faced and all the other BS crap that was posted when you find out later that this person is not who they seem and should not be hired. Also it not your job to like a person just because they granted a interview, and it also unprofessional to say bad things about them on the air, everyone would think that you were a jerk if you said what KO did in his lawsuit about Cenk, that is for behind the scences. Also KO was promised to be head of the news department so it would have been aproperaite if he had been interviewing and that is if I believed it was a interview which I do not and know that it was not. Current said that KO was only in charge of content so they need to explain why they did not get on KO’s case if that was suppose to be a job interview, or a tryout, that is how made up Current counter-suit is and again shows how they broke the contract, and I love that instead of answering they show how unprofessional and how much that mangement is the jerks by saying that KO was jealous because Cenk was suppose to beating KO in a certian demo, one that they could not even release percented points and numbers to showing that Cenk was winning and also not acknoweldging something that they were even going after KO for aka nomourasu absences which means that he was not on most of January through March, and even than they say that Cenk was only starting to beat KO in those demos showing that KO was telling the truth and right on when he said that Cenk could not generate ratings. I love how stupid Current is in thinking that this hurts KO, sorry they only ones that this hurts is Current and shows again how KO broke the contract. Cenk even shows that KO was right in saying that he does not look at facts only goes on emotions because he took this BS article that had no truth and was showing how much the person who wrote it was a jerk and everything that KO is. If even said that he did not like KO because KO critized his place of work aka Mediate, which was beyond stupid because he is a critic and he could not take critism. Which shows that when it comes to KO he does not look at KO objectevely. It was one of the most stupidiest articles that I have ever read and showed how Current broke the contract, because it showed that they are hypocrites when they say that KO was not suppose to run the news department and that they broke when they hired Brohem, because they are going along with people saying that KO was trying out Cenk on the air, or aka job interview KO not suppose to do that if does not run the news department, all that incident showed was that KO maybe had liked Cenk but when he saw the numbers and learned more about him, saw that he was not who he said he was, and changed his mind, and Current is stupid and igorant if they think that shows that KO wanted Cenk, no that showed that KO was being a professional on the air and that he saw that Cenk would not be good for the company and said so. It showed that KO unlike Current and that writer has no idea how to be a jerk and that they are the ones that were everything that they claim KO was, and showed that they were igorant about what his personality was, and this again is someone that would not care if KO had been the bad guy.
No way that a rookie, that started the season in AAA faces the same season as a seasoned veteran like Cabrera. Not only does Cabrera have every pitcher he faced all season long trying to pitch around him, but he was moved to 3B defensively to make room for Fielder at 1B which is a big adjustment. Trout plays well in CF,but it’s not the hot corner. Give Trout a couple more seasons to prove that he belongs in these lofty conversations. LAA didn’t do that much until Puljos showed up late in the season. Let’s see what Trout does in his first full season and without Tory Hunter in LA to hold his hand. And Darvish beats out Trout for the ROY imo!!
Keith, why take your two week example and open it up a bit further and see what you find? Don’t waste your time, I’ll just tell you. Trout was very pedestrian over the last two months of the season while Cabby was not, but hey it’s baseball and statistics and they can be sliced and diced any way to make a person look right.
This debate has simmered down since last month and with all the trolls and troll police inundating anything KO does I have waited until now to weigh in. I respectfully disagree with KO. While the numbers he brings forward are sound, it is the intangibles, the things folks like Brian Kenny and his sabremetric savants say don’t exist, that swing the balance towards Miggy. It is true that Fielder and Jackson were also big parts of the September run but Miggy fueled it with his Triple Crown chase. There are times in baseball that the accomplishments of one player are key to the fate of the team. That is where Cabrera’s value is. It isn’t measurable but it is there, just like R.A. Dickey has value to the Mets far beyond what he does on the field or in the clubhouse. Mike Trout had a wonderful season and is a worthy RotY. However, when it comes to the overall impact a player had on his team’s performance, then Miguel Cabrera is, in my view the AL MVP. I look forward to Trout picking up a few MVPs as his career goes forward, especially since the Angels added Josh Hamilton to the line-up.
Luckily liberal logic did not infect those voting for the MVP to any large degree. KO, you need to compare and contrast, not just slam one side. But, that’s your MO, right?
What does this have to do with being liberal or conservative, I guess KO disagree with you about a system or the way that baseball MVPs, is bad. Excuse me, this is probablt on of the most dumbest posts that I have read. Please keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come. Again KO sorry you got treated like crap at Current and will not be happy if you do not get the justice that you so rightly deserve for being unjustily fired there. Keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me, love you faults and all.