Jim Thome And Other Friends
SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA – He has checked out and gone home so the statute of respect towards fellow hotel guests has expired, I guess.
I arrive at my hotel here the other night and the place is spread out enough that they recommend that you let them throw on to a golf cart for transport to your room, not just your bags – but you. And we go about 20 yards in the darkness when a big, broad guy with short hair sort of steps in front of the cart and the bellman/driver says “excuse me” and the fellow turns around and sort of stares for a moment before saying “Oh! I’m sorry. I kinda froze there for a moment,” and with a genuine laugh, hops out of the way. And he looks really familiar and while I’m staring at him I realize he’s staring at me and our light bulbs go off simultaneously and as I say “stop the cart for a second,” he smiles.
Jim Thome.
“This is where I’m staying while I’m unsigned,” he says with another patented Jim Lunchpail Thome laugh. I say back to him “this is where I’m staying while I’m unsigned,” and we trade career anecdotes and I ask about the Yankees and he says “I doubt it.” And we try to figure out if we first met in 1993 or 1994 and he says he’s working out but otherwise he’s pretty much by the pool each day and I should try to find him when I get back from the ballpark each afternoon. And I joke about how I nearly made his latest free agency academic by running him over with a golf cart and we say good night.
And Thome, who is easily the most universally respected player in the game, is still unsigned despite Twins rumors and Yankees rumors and the reality that somebody should sign him with an idea of convincing him to manage them in a year’s time because the other players think he’s pretty much the epitome of professionalism and knowledge. I think he knows he can’t play in the field any more but that would still let him fit in at Yankee Stadium because lord knows almost none of them can field any more either.
Thome was how my Cactus League jaunt began but the amount of additional quality human beings whom I’ve known forever that I’ve again been able to spend time with exceeds all my previous spring training trips. In the Angels’ camp it was Mike Scioscia (28 years) and executive Tim Mead (28 more), and from their opponents the Reds, writer Hal McCoy (about 10). At the Mariners’ facility it was consultant – and should-be Hall of Famer Ted Simmons (33 years), and manager Eric Wedge (20 years) and our traditional greeting of “Happy Birthday” (we share one; he’s much younger), and the announcers Dave Sims (32 years; we both worked for Charley Steiner in the 1981-82 timeframe) and Rick Rizzs (12). Rick was nice enough to ask me to come on his broadcast for an inning. Then I found out it was after Bob Uecker of the Brewers (36 years) was going to come on for an inning and as I said to Rick on the air: “I thought you liked me.”
At Wednesday night’s Team USA exhibition I got to visit with manager Joe Torre (32 years) and first base coach – and another guy who is a no-brainer Cooperstown pick – Dale Murphy (30). And today in Glendale it was the Texas staff: manager Ron Washington (10), coach Dave Magadan (11) and coach Dave Anderson (30 years ago this month I interviewed him at Vero Beach when we thought he might be the next Dodger rookie-of-the-year – “boy were you wrong,” he said, again). Upstairs I had a great chat with Rick Monday, who I’ve known for 33 years as everything from a player to a World Series star to a rival sportscaster when he was on Channel 11 every night in LA at exactly the same time I was on Channel 5.
To top it off, of course, was my annual visit with Vin Scully. I readily admit that it took me nearly three years to screw up the courage to introduce myself to him – and I was on local tv in LA during all that time – and when I finally did he said he was relieved, because he thought I’d done something to offend him. I’m sure Vin is not the saint we all portray him as, but that’s really just a hunch because nothing I’ve ever seen him do suggests otherwise. The self-deprecation never ends; even today his first words after hello were “thank you.” I said you’re welcome and then asked him what I’d done. He said “thank you for writing that excellent and kind blog about the Piazza interview.”
Ohhh, yeah. That was nearly a month ago and that was what he wanted to talk about. We batted back and forth the singular personality that is Mike Piazza, but mostly he was talking about friendship and support, and I mentioned that this was the kind of loyalty his kindness and patience engendered, and that I knew I spoke for many when I said I felt like it was our job to fire the arrows when he was attacked – especially when it was as unjustified and as inexplicable as it was in poor Piazza’s self-destructive book. And then there were the usual friendship questions that I invariably suddenly realize are being asked and answered by the Babe Ruth or William Shakespeare of his field and I remember why it took me three years to stop shaking long enough to say hello back in 1988.
So I know Vin for 25 years now – and remember that this represents only about 40 percent of the time he’s been bringing you Dahhh-ger base-ball. And if you wonder how much of a self-starter you can be as you begin your 64th year at one job, Vin and I visited for maybe ten or fifteen minutes and then he had to pre-record something for his broadcast and when I looked back in his booth after that he had begun his daily ritual of scribbling and reviewing notes for the game ahead. The exhibition game. The exhibition game on a drowsy Thursday afternoon. The exhibition game three weeks before the season begins. And he would continue to do so for at least an hour.
Talk about a role model.
Later in the week here I’m going to formalize what shallow insights I’ve been able to glean from the games I’ve seen (hint: Billy Hamilton) but for now I’m thinking of everybody that Spring Training provides me the opportunity to see again, from Thome to Scully.
That’s fifteen men who I’ve known for a total of 390 years. And every moment of that time, with every one of them, has been a privilege.
It’s been a pretty good trip, huh?

Sounds like a wonderful trip. Gave me a warm feeling just reading it. I’m glad you’re doing something that makes you happy!
Keith, sounds like a GREAT TRIP! you had me tearing up at the end, especially the Vin Scully part. Thanks for the background stuff. And any thoughts on the SF GIANTS?
Hey Emerson — if you ever hop on Twitter during the season there’s great discussion on the #SFGiants hashtag.
Keith,
For a moment there, as I was reading your opening, I thought YOU were driving the golf cart and I thought …Oh My Lord! Thank goodness you cleared that up. My heart rate has now normalized and I can just breathe.
I was very touched to read you have such strong ties to not only press people but actual players and managers, most everyone in the sport you love most. This shows me how strong your passion for the game really is and I appreciate you sharing these moments. The accumulation of the years of knowing these individuals is impressive from someone so “young”. And you are young …at heart and because of that, these connections are the most precious jewel of your legacy.
It sounds like an absolutely fabulous trip. Bet you’re really glad you went for Cactus and not Grapefruits! LyK
KO great article, you again are awesome writer, you also make sports intersting the reason why I would watch you regiously and love it if you went to ESPN. You also show why you are this generations Murrow and why you are on to bigger and better things. Love the that you got to have great time with all your friends, also that was a great interview, you have a great sense of humor. Sorry again you got treated like crap at Current hope you get the justice that you deserve, will not be happy if that is not the case. Keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me. Love you faults and all.
Flashback: Olbermann Says Someone Should “Take Out” Hillary Clinton During Dem Primaries…
Consider this post a giant stone being thrown at Olbermann’s glass house.
“Only solution is for somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out”
Note: Last night he blamed the shooting on Palin and conservatives.
January 9, 2011
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History,
I can always count on seeing your reply to Ko’s baseball blog, as unsolicited, un-”intersting” (so very funny) and unconnected to a baseball blog as it is…
You’ll always have a fan in me- ’cause you’re among my favorite dipshits.
Sorry but I have repsonded with baseball to baseball, along with going after bullying. I try to do both
Very interesting, as usual; thanks for sharing.
What is it about baseball that brings out the inner ten year old in all of us? Had my first taste of Spring Training last year, and was as awed by glimpsing stars from the ’70s in the charity booths as going through a line for a Buster Posey autograph. I’ll get one more short taste of AZ next week, and doubt I’ll be any more jaded.
“The inner 10 year old in all of us?” Thank you, that describes baseball in a nutshell.
It certainly describes BB in a nut shell.
Ironically, I was 10 years old when I was first introduced to the game, courtesy of my 5th grade teacher who was a Mets fan but moved from NYC to California to teach at a suburban Bay Area school. He procured a TV from the A/V department, hooked up the rabbit ears and we watched the World Series during class time (ah, the days of daytime baseball…). Thanks, Mr. Aquilina, wherever you are…
Can that phrase feeling like a 10 year old be used for Tennis, because I feel that way when I play and watch Tennis, or is that just for baseball, which makes me feel like a ten year old when I hear KO and others talk about it.
Sarah,
I say if it makes you feel like a ten year old; Go for it. My youngest Grandson turned 10 on the 28th of Feb. 10 year old’s Rock!
Thanks
Emerson if you want to know my first name is Sarah, so if you see it from the same person, it just that i am using my Ipad and you had to sign in with a different name when you are a different computer, but thanks.
with the great info and excitment that KO and the rest of you have for the game, you really make me care and love it.
Meant if you see Sarah, it me typing but on my Ipad instead of the home computer. Just so it does not freak you out.
Thanks for clearing that up. I had wondered, previously, why the same icon appeared with both History and Sarah. I will try to stay unconfused.
What a great piece, Keith. Lots of memories had to flood your mind as you were writing this, I’m sure. You need to put all of your wonderful memories of these amazing people in a memoir & get it published. All of your fans would love it. And imagine how much enjoyment you would have writing it & reminiscing at the same time. In this article, however, I especially liked the encounter involving two of my favorite people: you & Jim Thome. Two great guys. It saddens me to think that Jimmy has left Arizona unsigned. I wish Cleveland would sign him again just as they did a couple of seasons ago. I would love to see him finish his career with the Indians. I have such wonderful memories of him from the 90′s. Lots of home runs! I also enjoyed your story of your first meeting with Vin Scully 25 yrs. ago. I can understand your fear in wanting to introduce yourself to him. Most of us out here (the FOK) would feel exactly the same way in building up the courage to introduce ourselves to you. If you don’t know it already, you’re an icon to us. Whatever you choose to do in the future, we’re behind you 100%. There is still a void that can never be filled until we get you back in some capacity, be it sports or politics. I KNOW I’m safe in stating that I speak for all your fans when I say…we admire you, we respect you, we support you, we miss you and your eloquent voice of truth, and look forward to your triumphant return one day soon. WE…ARE…FOK !! Again, great blog and as always, well done.
You are more than welcome. it frustrates me that they make you sign in all over again when you are different device, makes more sense to let you sign in the same on any device that you use.
FOK indeed Sandy! Thanks for a great end of day note on a sunny Florida Friday
Bet many would “second that emotion” Heading to Dunedin this weekend – ’tis the season
Great article, and as a Dodger fan, it shouldn’t be surprising that the Vin Scully part was my favorite.
“There will never be another one like him” is an overused phrase in sports, but it is so true when speaking about Vin. I can’t imagine anyone will ever broadcast 64, 65….heck, maybe 70 years for only one team ever again.
My prized possession and memory is a picture Vin took with my two young sons a couple of years ago in San Diego. He not only was kind enough to pose for probably the 100,000th photo of his life but chatted with both of my boys for a few moments and encouraged them to do well in school and to “not forget him” when they made it to the big leagues.
What a man.
Hey History,
How great is it to see all these comments that are on topic? Think the Trolls have been chained up?
I hope that they have been changed up. Would be nice.
CHAINED UP not changed up
For goodness sake, Emerson spelled it correctly in the very post you were responding to.
The Times Square Bomber was Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old Pakistan-born resident of Bridgeport, Connecticut, who had become a U.S. citizen in April 2009.
The Fort Hood shooter was Nidal Malik Hasan, a radical Muslim.
Neith one had anything to do with any Tea Party protest.
This generation’s Murrow my ass.
#BathtubBoy #KrustytheClown #Cunt
{:-P}
Yes, what a man indeed. After you tweeted so kindly about Vin, I tweeted him a few words myself. To my utter surprise and delight, Vin favorited my tweet! I sat there with a big smile until my boss shattered the happy mood I was in when he walked into my office needing to discuss business. Ah well, it was wonderful while it lasted.
Vin will never know how much his simple gesture of pressing a button on Twitter to acknowledge a few words of respect meant to me. We West Coasters are truly blessed to be able to count him as a fellow Californian.
Vin, if you happen to read this, THANK YOU!
Good for you, Shoe! xo
Someone who is as igorant about KO as you are, KO has never Evidence is growing that an Army psychiatrist, a specialist in disaster psychiatry & combat stress, allegedly killed 12 people & wounded 30 others this afternoon at Fort Hood in Texas. Thoughts of strength & compassion to everyone affected – including the family of the soldier in question… This Army psychiatrist was about to be deployed to the Middle East. Major Nidal Malik Hasan received a poor performance review at Walter Reed before ending up at Fort Hood in July. Major Hasan apparently made no bones about the fact that he didn’t want to go to Iraq, and his family didn’t want him to go there, either. They opposed both the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. Wow, the analysis from Clint VanZant was stunning. There is a possibility, at least according to internet posts attributed to Major Hasan, that he felt that killing innocents would save lives someplace else – instead of just taking his own life because of the impending deployment to Iraq.
Wow were in this piece did KO say tht this guy was the victim and he has never said and do not put up hate sites that think that put up the debunked lie about a liberal media and puts up the made name of MSNBC, those sites are like Dajouro are igorant about who KO is and what KO said. Wow that person a has never like you watched worst person, and show that you are igorant about the segment, this is a tongue and check segment, people here are not really the worst people, also KO does not need to put the Tailban as worst person we already know that they are bad
This is prologue from KO’s book about worst person
” They aren’t really the worst persons in the world, of course. Somewhere somebody’s ending freedom, or sticking a shiv into a witness or defrauding an orphan, or bombing a home. And there’s almost nobody in this book who- in any kind of empirical anaylisis of the worst person in the world at a given moment- could truley hold a candle to any of them.
But my guys have all, in thier own ways tried.
Orphans may have nothing to fear, and freedom more likely to hurt itself laughing at them than be hurt by thier Rube Goldnergian machinations. But these Worsts (if you’ll perment the term) are mortal enemies of honesty and diginity, of selfishness and class
In short- they do.
So again this person like you are showing that KO has no idea how to lie and that he like you have no idea what Countdown is and who KO is. This person like you is lying about who KO is and showing like you how igorant when it comes to KO and do not say different BG because that would be a lie, and show that you love to support dishonesty and people like Dajouro who posts stuff about KO that like yours can be easily debunked and shows that Dajouro is the one lying and that KO has no idea how to lie and Dajouro has no idea how to tell the truth like you do and like you is igroant about facts.
Sorry but this what people that live in real world call a bashing piece that shows that you love to support dishonesty name calling and bullying. Dajaouro is everything that he claims KO is in that tweet and KO is oppoiste of all that.
Keep posting debunk tweets that show why KO is this generations Murrow and has no idea how to lie and show that you never watched Countdown.
Anyone that does not get that worst is a tongue and check segment show how igorant about Countdown and that they never watched the show.
Keep showing how igoranrt you are about honesty and facts and who KO is. Once again you show that you have no idea who KO is and what he talked about on Countdown. Sorry but this is bashing post that has no truth behind it and shows that KO has no idea how to lie.
If you say different than you show that you do not know what honesty and facts are and never will. Keep showing that you are everything that you claim KO is and that KO is exact oppiste of what you say he is. Only people like you who love bullying and lies would beleive a made up igraont post about KO that anyone can debunk. Sorry but that is dshonest post and always will be. Thanks for making me love and respect KO more and show why he has no idea how to lie and that you have no idea how to tell the truth.
Also that is a made up name and a made up story here is who Gibson is because you love to post things that have been debunked and people that have zero idea what being human is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Keep showing that you have no idea what tolerance is or who KO is and that you love to embarass yourself with your igorance, sorry but this post shows why KO is this generations Murrow and that you would bash Murrow if he were alive today, you have no idea what jouranlism is and never will just like you have no idea what facts are.
Also you love to post video’s by people that want to lie about what Occupy is and put them as a terroist group, so keep showing that you have no idea what facts are. Muslims are not the problem the problem are the extremist in all the reilgons, I know never to listen to people that think it okay to hate Muslims and want to blame a whole religon for problems they show that KO knows what tolerance is and that they do not and never will.
Now get off and let people talk baseball.
Moderators we have a troll on the use that only wants to show how igorant they are about kO and facts in general and does not want to talk baseball, please remove them and my reponse posts thank you.
Love how you show why you support bullying, sorry but this post just like all the others show that you would lie about who Murrow is and would be bashing him also, because this post is a joke with all the lies in it and name calling, you show that you are igorant on journalism and KO and facts and tolerance. Keep showing that BG is everything that they say KO is and always will be and if BG says different then they will be lying. Sorry but this has been debunked over and over again showing that you do not know what facts are and never will.
42 years ago the dodgers were playing in san diego and my 8 year old daughter and I were waiting by the team bus to get some autographs. When I saw vin scully I sent her over and he said “I am not a ballplayer” and I blurted out but you are vin scully. He laughed and she got the autograph which I treasure to this day.
Why are we worried about a washed up baseball player??? I thought better of you until I read this….
Victor
Mike is writing a book, and he had he said some means things about Scully in that book, that KO did not like, so KO called him out on it. This was a ball player that was doing something. That is why
You actually thought better of BB at one point?
LOL!!!!!
Wow you actually have no idea what a made up story and what a BS post that has no truth in it, aka you defense of a poster that was lying about who KO is and what is being said about him,
I love how instead of refuting what I say that KO is not that, you put up a post by someone that agrees with you and thinks that showing what a ad homein is. First Levin does not point out the absurd and he lying about what KO does. First with Prejean KO only talked about what was going on 1. Considering her position as a spokesperson for The National Organization for Marriage, isn’t Prejean obligated to be more informed about the topics – such as adoption and civil unions – that are so central to this hotly-debated issue?
2. Throughout her ordeal, Prejean has said she’s been persecuted and mocked for her beliefs, while constantly stating these attacks won’t shut her up because she has the right express her opinion. Hmmm, doesn’t that sound exactly like the group of people she doesn’t believe should legally wed?
In an ironic twist, more than ever before, can’t Prejean actually relate to the gay community now?
Olbermann on Prejean
Watch and listen to Olbermann’s take on Prejean above.
Then, follow this article’s jump to read an utterly ridiculous, mindless quote recently uttered by this beauty queen.
“Marriage is good. There is something special about unions of husband and wife. Unless we bring men and women together, children will not have mothers and fathers,” Prejean said.
We know many people are sick of this issue, but we need to analyze this quote. After all, this is the person The National Organization for Marriage has named as speaking for it, right?
Marriage is good, Carrie? So is spaghetti. What kind of vague statement is that?!?
If marriage really is so “good,” why are you against extending it to other couples in love?
And why do one-half of married couples in America disagree with you?
We’d love to hear how Prejean plans to “bring men and women together.”
Is she advocating for more orgies in the country? It sounds that way.
- See more at: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/05/keith-olbermann-tackles-carrie-prejean-hypocrisy/#sthash.xoFKspHC.dpuf
I love how prewej is just as igorant as you are about what KO talks about on Countdown, KO did not go after Prejen because of her breasts, he went after her because of something that HG and that blogger who like you never bothered to watch Countdown because of her hypocrisy, she kept saying that she was a pure Chrstian The suit also claims Moakler and Lewis improperly revealed that Miss California USA had paid for Prejean’s breast implants.
Moakler’s attorney, Mel Avanzado, said in a statement that Prejean’s lawsuit was without merit.
“More importantly, as everyone who watched or read her public statements is well aware, Ms. Prejean’s unfortunate and bigoted statements are responsible for any public humiliation or damages to her reputation that she has claimed to have suffered,” Avanzado wrote. “Ms. Moakler strenuously denies that she did anything wrong and looks forward to proving that in a court of law.”
Prejean is also suing publicist Roger Neal, who handles press for Miss California USA and Lewis.
Neal said he could not immediately comment on the lawsuit.
The lawsuit accuses Lewis, Moakler and Neal of using Internet sites such as Facebook and Twitter to post disparaging remarks about Prejean.
The lawsuit does not name Donald Trump, who owns Miss California USA’s parent organization and who in May refused to fire Prejean, a decision he reversed a month later.
The suit states Trump authorized Prejean’s appearance on the “Fox and Friends” show in May and a Shape magazine interview, both of which were sighted by Lewis as unauthorized public appearances by the beauty queen.
The complaint does not state a specific dollar figure that Prejean is seeking. It claims she has been subject to public ridicule and humiliation and lost out on modeling work because she lost her crown. She has also suffered anxiety, depression and loss of sleep since her firing, the lawsuit states.
She was the one that meatined that in her suit, so KO repaeting is not talking about sex. On the Scott Brown thing KO has apologized for that one Keith Olbermann apologized for his comments about Massachusetts Senator-Elect Scott Brown Friday night just one day after being called out by Jon Stewart over the remarks.
Monday night, Olbermann described Brown as “an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea-bagging supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees.”
The comment was immediately met with criticism from the right, most notably from Olbermann’s own MSNBC colleague Joe Scarborough, who described the comment as “reckless.”
Olbermann responded to that criticism by doubling down the next night, adding “sexist” to his litany of complaints against Brown.
But on Thursday’s “Daily Show,” Stewart described Olbermann’s comments as “the harshest description of anyone I’ve ever heard uttered on MSNBC” and performed an impression of Olbermann’s trademark special comments.
Friday, Olbermann played Stewart’s critique in full, offered himself as a guest for “The Daily Show,” and responded with an apology.
“You know what, you’re right,” Olbermann said to Stewart. “I have been a little over the top lately. Point taken. Sorry.” When has Gibson apologized for making fun of John Stewart’s pain on 911 and saying that we need another one, also KO never read out of Oreilly’s playbook, so you are saying that smater people than this makdus on daily kos are talking about KO, wow that blogger like you have no idea what being smart is.
Also excuse me what planet do you live on people in the work place even a CEo would not be fired for having sex with an intern, that is how BS this person post is, also were this person saying that NG should have been fired for having affairs of his own I am sure by now that many of you have heard that Newt Gingrich, (Republican presidential candidate) second wife had stated that Gingrich had told her that he had wanted an open marriage, or sex with other people. Oh by the way, he was already having an affair with this wife for years with another woman. But wait, Newt had an affair with his first wife, with the future second wife, years before! L. H. Carter, who was Gingrich’s campaign treasurer, stated that Gingrich said of Gingrich’s first wife, “She’s not young enough or pretty enough to be the wife of the President. And besides, she has cancer.”
Here are some other things that that Newt has said. Here is why he said he had an affair:
“There’s no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate. And what I can tell you is that when I did things that were wrong, I wasn’t trapped in situation ethics, I was doing things that were wrong, and yet, I was doing them.”
Yes, Newt had an affair for you and me. He did it for our nation. He could have served in Vietnam (like every Republican candidate old enough he was never there) but no, he served our nation in a much more heroic fashion.
Newt of course is someone trying to “protect” marriage from gays and lesbians. See, if gays can marry, that means people like Newt will have even more affairs. Instead of being on his 3rd marriage, he might be on his 6th! and here were you this person and you saying how bad that was. I study history and I love how you and this person are so clueless wheh it comes to it, we had president’s that had affaris all the time and congressmen and senators that does not mean that we have whole impeachment trails over it, that is pure BS, a president cheating on his wife is not treason and that is what peachment is about is saying that president went against the constitution, so no this was a BS story, the president should have just been censored and got on with this, KO was right to not want to do the story. Also him protesting does not show that story is true, the only people that say this are sites that have been known to lie and post hateful things, so sorry that story has no proof.
Also here is who Mark Levin is and why I would not believe anything that he had to say, he does not mock the abustry from what I have seen about him, he does not Back in November, a man referring to himself as “Jeff” called right-wing radio host Mark Levin’s show claiming to have information about President Obama’s health care law. Jeff claimed to be a “brain surgeon” who had just “returned from Washington, D.C.,” where he and other neurological doctors had reviewed a document allegedly issued by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) regarding “Obama’s new health care plan for advanced neurosurgical care.”
Jeff went on to claim that the document “did not call [patients older than 70] patients, they called them units” and stated that “if you’re over 70 and you’d come into an emergency room and you’re on government-supported health care that you get comfort care” instead of medically necessary neurological surgery. Jeff further claimed the document mandated “ethics committee[s],” to which Levin replied: “So, Sarah Palin was right. We’re going to have these death panels, aren’t we?” Jeff responded, “Oh, absolutely,” and made a comparison to Nazi Germany.
The interaction was picked up by the usual right-wing media outlets, hungry for new fodder to keep their long-debunked “death panel” myth alive. On November 29, Fox Nation posted audio of thecall on Levin’s show under the headline, “Neurosurgeon Dishes on Obamacare ‘Death Panels’, Administration Calls Patients ‘Units.’ ” From Fox Nation:
Levin says conservatives “stand on the shoulders of the great philosophers” who progressives “reject”
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So I would not listen to anything he had to say about anything. You once again show how igorant you are and that you hate listening to truth and being debunked so you post stuff from people that agree with you and just like can easily be debunked and show that they are the ones that doing the ad homein attacks and that they are showing to support people that KO and someone on the street is smart than both Gisbon and Levin. SOrry but that just shows how made up that BB story is and that you care nothing about truth, once again you show that you are igorant on who KO is and what honesty is.
Again this is who Gibson is and how made up that story is Wow again here is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Keep showing how igorant you are on KO that is all you know how to do.
Also HJ
Victor like you did not even bother to read the article, KO was talking about this ball player because he had a book coming out talking about this incident.
A few moments ago I had the privilege of adding “Olbermann’s” to my Outlook dictionary. That’s because I typed the sentence, “You should read Keith Olbermann’s blog today.” I’m sure my spellcheck will thank me in the future, as it need never again stumble over that particular possessive. What a great post. Keep them coming!
Great piece! Wondering who your “All Stars” of broadcasting would be…there is something truly magical about baseball on the radio – brings many of us back to a time of childhood and “Sandlot” life – Thanks KO – I grew up listening to Bob Uecker when the “Brew Crew” was AL…awesome stuff thanks for the smile and proof that friendship endures
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Beautiful testimony on friendship tied to the love of the bat’s crack! It’s a damn shame you’re not married, Mr. Olbermann. You are probably the only man on the planet who would never forget the anniversary date!
As someone who grew up listening to Vin Scully on my radio all through the 70s and into the 80s while I still lived in range of his voice – oh man do I understand why you were shaking when you met him!!
As someone who originally also adored Piazza – oh, did his book ever shatter some images!! I still think he should be in the Hall, but damn am I disappointed in his Poor Me personality.
Thank you so much for sharing your baseball travels and encounters with legends on the field and in the broadcast booth.
Wow again here is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Also this has nothing to do with KO or baseball and is showing how igorant you are. So the president likes hotdogs so do a lot of people in this country big whoop.
I don’t have a dog.
But if I did it would look like those the president ate.
Wow
Keep embarrsing yourself with your igorance, cannot believe how ridclous this post is.
• Dajuro 11 months ago
Olbermann said that the Times Square bomber was probably a member of the Tea Party.
He said the Ft Hood shooter was probably a conservative Obama hater.
Even worse, when the Taliban was squirting acid into the faces of little girls, he was calling conservatives the “worst people in the world”. Never even mentioned what the Taliban were doing .
Olbermann isn’t just an uneducated, dishonest, effeminate metrosexual – - he’s also a monster .
BG 11 months ago
And a cunt.
• Whateverhappentocomm 11 months ago
Great points
Wow
Someone who is as igorant about KO as you are, KO has never Evidence is growing that an Army psychiatrist, a specialist in disaster psychiatry & combat stress, allegedly killed 12 people & wounded 30 others this afternoon at Fort Hood in Texas. Thoughts of strength & compassion to everyone affected – including the family of the soldier in question… This Army psychiatrist was about to be deployed to the Middle East. Major Nidal Malik Hasan received a poor performance review at Walter Reed before ending up at Fort Hood in July. Major Hasan apparently made no bones about the fact that he didn’t want to go to Iraq, and his family didn’t want him to go there, either. They opposed both the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. Wow, the analysis from Clint VanZant was stunning. There is a possibility, at least according to internet posts attributed to Major Hasan, that he felt that killing innocents would save lives someplace else – instead of just taking his own life because of the impending deployment to Iraq.
Wow were in this piece did KO say tht this guy was the victim and he has never said and do not put up hate sites that think that put up the debunked lie about a liberal media and puts up the made name of MSNBC, those sites are like Dajouro are igorant about who KO is and what KO said. Wow that person a has never like you watched worst person, and show that you are igorant about the segment, this is a tongue and check segment, people here are not really the worst people, also KO does not need to put the Tailban as worst person we already know that they are bad
This is prologue from KO’s book about worst person
” They aren’t really the worst persons in the world, of course. Somewhere somebody’s ending freedom, or sticking a shiv into a witness or defrauding an orphan, or bombing a home. And there’s almost nobody in this book who- in any kind of empirical anaylisis of the worst person in the world at a given moment- could truley hold a candle to any of them.
But my guys have all, in thier own ways tried.
Orphans may have nothing to fear, and freedom more likely to hurt itself laughing at them than be hurt by thier Rube Goldnergian machinations. But these Worsts (if you’ll perment the term) are mortal enemies of honesty and diginity, of selfishness and class
In short- they do.
So again this person like you are showing that KO has no idea how to lie and that he like you have no idea what Countdown is and who KO is. This person like you is lying about who KO is and showing like you how igorant when it comes to KO and do not say different BG because that would be a lie, and show that you love to support dishonesty and people like Dajouro who posts stuff about KO that like yours can be easily debunked and shows that Dajouro is the one lying and that KO has no idea how to lie and Dajouro has no idea how to tell the truth like you do and like you is igroant about facts.
Sorry but this what people that live in real world call a bashing piece that shows that you love to support dishonesty name calling and bullying. Dajaouro is everything that he claims KO is in that tweet and KO is oppoiste of all that.
Keep posting debunk tweets that show why KO is this generations Murrow and has no idea how to lie and show that you never watched Countdown.
Anyone that does not get that worst is a tongue and check segment show how igorant about Countdown and that they never watched the show.
Keep showing how igoranrt you are about honesty and facts and who KO is. Once again you show that you have no idea who KO is and what he talked about on Countdown. Sorry but this is bashing post that has no truth behind it and shows that KO has no idea how to lie.
If you say different than you show that you do not know what honesty and facts are and never will. Keep showing that you are everything that you claim KO is and that KO is exact oppiste of what you say he is. Only people like you who love bullying and lies would beleive a made up igraont post about KO that anyone can debunk. Sorry but that is dshonest post and always will be. Thanks for making me love and respect KO more and show why he has no idea how to lie and that you have no idea how to tell the truth.
The Times Square Bomber was Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old Pakistan-born resident of Bridgeport, Connecticut, who had become a U.S. citizen in April 2009.
The Fort Hood shooter was Nidal Malik Hasan, a radical Muslim.
Neith one had anything to do with any Tea Party protest.
This generation’s Murrow my ass.
#BathtubBoy #KrustytheClown
And Bathtub Boy was the only one “repudiated”!
:_-)
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Wow you think that edited video’s are telling the truth, you really are igorant. Here is what KO actually talked about in that comment and you will see that he was saying that we all need to stop the violent rheotric he even put him as one, Finally tonight, as promised, a Special Comment on the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona. We need to put the guns down. Just as importantly we need to put the gun metaphors away and permanently.
Left, right, middle – politicians and citizens – sane and insane. This morning in Arizona, this age in which this country would accept “targeting” of political opponents and putting bullseyes over their faces and of the dangerous blurring between political rallies and gun shows, ended.
This morning in Arizona, this time of the ever-escalating, borderline-ecstatic invocation of violence in fact or in fantasy in our political discourse, closed. It is essential tonight not to demand revenge, but to demand justice; to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism, but to work to change the minds of them and their supporters – or if those minds tonight are too closed, or if those minds tonight are too unmoved, or if those minds tonight are too triumphant, to make sure by peaceful means that those politicians and commentators and supporters have no further place in our system of government.
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If Sarah Palin, whose website put and today scrubbed bullseye targets on 20 Representatives including Gabby Giffords, does not repudiate her own part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics, she must be dismissed from politics – she must be repudiated by the members of her own party, and if they fail to do so, each one of them must be judged to have silently defended this tactic that today proved so awfully foretelling, and they must in turn be dismissed by the responsible members of their own party.
If Jesse Kelly, whose campaign against Congresswoman Giffords included an event in which he encouraged his supporters to join him firing machine guns, does not repudiate this, and does not admit that even if it was solely indirectly, or solely coincidentally, it contributed to the black cloud of violence that has envellopped our politics, he must be repudiated by Arizona’s Republican Party.
If Congressman Allen West, who during his successful campaign told his supporters that they should make his opponent afraid to come out of his home, does not repudiate those remarks and all other suggestions of violence and forced fear, he should be repudiated by his constituents and the Republican Congressional Caucus.
If Sharron Angle, who spoke of “Second Amendment solutions,” does not repudiate that remark and urge her supporters to think anew of the terrible reality of what her words implied, she must be repudiated by her supporters in Nevada.
If the Tea Party leaders who took out of context a Jefferson quote about blood and tyranny and the tree of liberty do not understand – do not understand tonight, now what that really means, and these leaders do not tell their followers to abhor violence and all threat of violence, then those Tea Party leaders must be repudiated by the Republican Party.
If Glenn Beck, who obsesses nearly as strangely as Mr. Loughner did about gold and debt and who wistfully joked about killing Michael Moore, and Bill O’Reilly, who blithely repeated “Tiller the Killer” until the phrase was burned into the minds of his viewers, do not begin their next broadcasts with solemn apologies for ever turning to the death-fantasies and the dreams of bloodlust, for ever having provided just the oxygen to those deep in madness to whom violence is an acceptable solution, then those commentators and the others must be repudiated by their viewers, and by all politicians, and by sponsors, and by the networks that employ them.
And if those of us considered to be “on the left” do not re-dedicate ourselves to our vigilance to eliminate all our own suggestions of violence – how ever inadvertent they might have been then we too deserve the repudiation of the more sober and peaceful of our politicians and our viewers and our networks.
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Here, once, in a clumsy metaphor, I made such an unintended statement about the candidacy of then-Senator Clinton. It sounded as if it was a call to physical violence. It was wrong, then. It is even more wrong tonight. I apologize for it again, and I urge politicians and commentators and citizens of every political conviction to use my comment as a means to recognize the insidiousness of violent imagery, that if it can go so easily slip into the comments of one as opposed to violence as me, how easily, how pervasively, how disastrously can it slip into the already-violent or deranged mind?
For tonight we stand at one of the clichéd crossroads of American history. Even if the alleged terrorist Jared Lee Loughner was merely shooting into a political crowd because he wanted to shoot into a political crowd, even if he somehow was unaware who was in the crowd, we have nevertheless for years been building up to a moment like this.
Assume the details are coincidence. The violence is not. The rhetoric has devolved and descended, past the ugly and past the threatening and past the fantastic and into the imminently murderous.
We will not return to the 1850s, when a pro-slavery Congressman nearly beat to death an anti-slavery Senator; when an anti-slavery madman cut to death with broadswords pro-slavery advocates.
We will not return to the 1960s, when with rationalizations of an insane desire for fame, or of hatred, or of political opposition, a President was assassinated and an ultra-Conservative would-be president was paralyzed, and a leader of peace was murdered on a balcony.
We will not.
Because tonight, what Mrs. Palin, and what Mr. Kelly, and what Congressman West, and what Ms. Angle, and what Mr. Beck, and what Mr. O’Reilly, and what you and I must understand, was that the man who fired today did not fire at a Democratic Congresswoman and her supporters.
He was not just a mad-man incited by a thousand daily temptations by slightly less-mad-men to do things they would not rationally condone.
He fired today into our liberty and our rights to live and to agree or disagree in safety and in freedom from fear that our support or opposition will cost us our lives or our health or our sense of safety. The bullseye might just as well have been on Mrs. Palin, or Mr. Kelly, or you, or me. The wrong, the horror, would have been – could still be just as real and just as unacceptable.
At a time of such urgency and impact, we as Americans – conservative or liberal – should pour our hearts and souls into politics. We should not – none of us, not Gabby Giffords and not any Conservative – ever have to pour our blood. And every politician and commentator who hints otherwise, or worse still stays silent now, should have no place in our political system, and should be denied that place, not by violence, but by being shunned and ignored.
It is a simple pledge, it is to the point, and it is essential that every American politician and commentator and activist and partisan take it and take it now, I say it first, and freely:
Violence, or the threat of violence, has no place in our Democracy, and I apologize for and repudiate any act or any thing in my past that may have even inadvertently encouraged violence. Because for whatever else each of us may be, we all are Americans.
Keep showing how igorant you are that you cannot tell a edit comment from the real thing. He was not going after republicans he was going after people who think that he okay to use violent rheotric and asking them to stop. You really are showing that you have no idea what being human means. You think that it okay to let conservatives and others to say all the violent rheotric that they want and not pay the consquences. Wow keep making respect KO more and more and showing why he this generations Murrow and that he unlike you knows what being human means. You BG are showing that KO is oppoiste of who you want him to be, and that you are everything that you claim KO is. Know go to we are igorant about what a edit tape is that trying to make KO bad and what the real comment is. That is all this post is showing and do not say different because that would be another lie.
KO keep being yourself, BG get off the blog with your made up lies about KO.
Wow
Again this one has been debunked Are you telling me that you do not know how TV works and that you not me are the one that likes to put out non-sense posts. BY if anyone is angry at MSNBC for lack of blacks over there, the person that would be to blame for is Griffen who is the President of MSNBC not KO. KO was never unlike Current in charge of the news at MSNBC that was Griffen’s job. Also CNN and even Fox does not have very many blacks on, so how does saying that show disagreement. Wow it does not, that just shows that you do not know who hires and gives people shows over at MSNBC. Dude keep embarrassing yourself and making me love KO more and more.
Also KO has had a lot of people doing that are black like Eugine Robbison, Mysooned who is Muslim women and disabled, like here is an American actress, comedian and activist of Palestinian descent. She was born in New Jersey in 1974.[1] She described herself in a BBC interview as “a Palestinian Muslim virgin with cerebral palsy, from New Jersey, who is an actress, comedian and activist”.[2] Zayid has been a resident of Cliffside Park, New Jersey.[3] She is considered one of America’s first Muslim women comedians and the first person ever to perform standup in Palestine and Jordan.[4]. Also here Derrick H. Pitts is an American astronomer. He is Chief Astronomer and Planetarium Director for the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.[1] He has been named as one of the 50 most important African-Americans in research science.[2, here also (born 1955, Orangeburg, South Carolina) is an American Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper columnist and the former assistant managing editor of The Washington Post. His columns are syndicated by The Washington Post Writers Group, and he is a member of the National Association of Black Journalists. Here also (born October 2, 1973; formerly known as Melissa Victoria Harris-Lacewell)[1] is an American author, television host and political commentator with a focus on African-American politics. Harris-Perry hosts the eponymously named Melissa Harris-Perry weekend news and opinion television show on MSNBC. Also Clearance Page, also here Moulitsas was born in Chicago, Illinois to a Salvadorian mother and Greek father. Also here are the women was the most prominent member of New Zealand’s women’s suffrage (the movement to allow women to vote in New Zealand) movement, and is the country’s most famous suffragette. She also appears on the NZ ten dollar note. Because New Zealand was the first country to introduce universal suffrage, Sheppard’s work had a considerable impact on women’s suffrage movements in other countries, here also Nicolo Limurex, born November 3, 1937) was the U.S. Representative for California’s 6th congressional district, serving from 1993 to 2013. She is a member of the Democratic Party. The district she represented included all of Marin County and most of Sonoma County. She was a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, and was its co-chair from 2010 until her retirement in 2013. Woolsey, who described herself as “the first former welfare mother to serve in Congress,”[1] was one of two members of the House to have been on welfare; the other is Congresswoman Gwen Moore (D-WI).[2], also here is an American television host, political commentator, and author.[1][2] She hosts a nightly television show, The Rachel Maddow Show, on MSNBC.[3] Her syndicated talk radio program of the same name aired on Air America Radio. Maddow was the first openly gay anchor of a major prime-time news program in the United States.[4][5][6][7], also here is an American political blogger based in Alaska. Moore is a writer for The Huffington Post and has been a prominent critic of former Alaska governor Sarah Palin. She has appeared on such television shows as The Rachel Maddow Show and Countdown with Keith Olbermann.[1][2] Moore also launched her own political talk show, Moore Up North, in November 2009.[3]
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This has nothing to do with KO and baseball. This guy also did not own Contessa I have to laugh with how she got this guy good. Obama was not president in 2006, so being in the Senate means nothing, also why is the deciet more with a Republican congress as a majority, that is how hypocritcal this guy is. Also the way that he says has been shown not to work also The Great Recession[1] (also referred to as the Lesser Depression,[2] the Long Recession,[3] or the global recession of 2007-2009[4][5]) is a marked global economic decline that began in December 2007 and took a particularly sharp downward turn in September 2008. The active phase of the crisis, which manifested as a liquidity crisis, can be dated from August 7, 2007 when BNP Paribas terminated withdrawals from three hedge funds citing “a complete evaporation of liquidity”.[6] The bursting of the U.S. housing bubble, which peaked in 2006,[7] caused the values of securities tied to U.S. real estate pricing to plummet, damaging financial institutions globally.[8][9] The global recession affected the entire world economy, with higher detriment in some countries than others. It is a major global recession characterized by various systemic imbalances and was sparked by the outbreak of the financial crisis of 2007–2008. As of December 2012, the economic side effects of the European sovereign debt crisis[10] and limited prospects for global growth in 2013 and 2014[11][12] continue to provide obstacles to full recovery from the Great Recession.[13][14][15]
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Contents [hide]
1 Terminology
2 Overview
3 Pre-recession economic imbalances
3.1 Housing bubble
4 Causes
5 Effects
5.1 U.S. overview
6 Political instability related to the economic crisis
7 Policy responses
7.1 United States policy responses
7.2 Asia-Pacific policy responses
7.3 European policy responses
7.4 Global responses
8 Policy recommendations
8.1 IMF recommendation
9 Countries maintaining growth or technically avoiding recession
9.1 Raising interest rates
10 Countries in economic recession or depression
11 Official forecasts
12 Comparisons with the Great Depression
13 Job losses and unemployment rates
14 Risk of second recession
15 See also
16 References
17 Further reading
18 External links
[edit]Terminology
There are two senses of the word “recession”: a less precise sense, referring broadly to “a period of reduced economic activity”,[16] and the academic sense used most often in economics, which is defined operationally, referring specifically to the contraction phase of a business cycle, with two or more consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. If one analyzes the event using the economics-academic definition of the word, the recession ended in the United States in June or July 2009.[17][18] However, in the broader, lay sense of the word, many people use the term to refer to the ongoing hardship (in the same way that the term “Great Depression” is also popularly used).[19] In the U.S., for example, as of December, 2012 persistent high unemployment remains, along with low consumer confidence, the continuing decline in home values and increase in foreclosures and personal bankruptcies, an escalating federal debt crisis, inflation, and rising petroleum and food prices. In fact, a 2011 poll found that more than half of all Americans think the U.S. is still in recession or even depression, although economic data show a historically modest recovery.[20] This could be due to the fact that both private and public levels of debt are at historic highs in the U.S. and in many other countries, and an increasing number of economists believe that excessive debt plays a role in causing bank crises, lengthy depressions, and sovereign default.[21][22][23][24]
[edit]Overview
According to the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research (the official arbiter of U.S. recessions) the recession began in December 2007 and ended in June 2009.[25][26] US mortgage-backed securities, which had risks that were hard to assess, were marketed around the world. A more broad based credit boom fed a global speculative bubble in real estate and equities, which served to reinforce the risky lending practices.[27][28] The precarious financial situation was made more difficult by a sharp increase in oil and food prices. The emergence of sub-prime loan losses in 2007 began the crisis and exposed other risky loans and over-inflated asset prices. With loan losses mounting and the fall of Lehman Brothers on September 15, 2008, a major panic broke out on the inter-bank loan market. As share and housing prices declined, many large and well established investment and commercial banks in the United States and Europe suffered huge losses and even faced bankruptcy, resulting in massive public financial assistance.
A global recession has resulted in a sharp drop in international trade, rising unemployment and slumping commodity prices. In December 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) declared that the United States had been in recession since December 2007.[29] Several economists predicted that recovery might not appear until 2011 and that the recession would be the worst since the Great Depression of the 1930s.[30][31] Paul Krugman, who won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics, once commented on this as seemingly the beginning of “a second Great Depression.”[32] The conditions leading up to the crisis, characterized by an exorbitant rise in asset prices and associated boom in economic demand, are considered a result of the extended period of easily available credit[33] and inadequate regulation and oversight.[34]
The recession has renewed interest in Keynesian economic ideas on how to combat recessionary conditions. Fiscal and monetary policies have been significantly eased to stem the recession and financial risks. Economists advise that the stimulus should be withdrawn as soon as the economies recover enough to “chart a path to sustainable growth”.[35][36][37]
[edit]Pre-recession economic imbalances
The onset of the economic crisis took most people by surprise. A 2009 paper identifies twelve economists and commentators who, between 2000 and 2006, predicted a recession based on the collapse of the then-booming housing market in the United States:[38] Dean Baker, Wynne Godley, Fred Harrison, Michael Hudson, Eric Janszen, Steve Keen, Jakob Brøchner Madsen, Jens Kjaer Sørensen, Kurt Richebächer, Nouriel Roubini, Peter Schiff, and Robert Shiller.[38]
[edit]Housing bubble
UK house prices between 1975 and 2010.
Further information: Real estate bubble
By 2007, real estate bubbles were still under way in many parts of the world,[39] especially in the United States,[9] France, United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Australia, United Arab Emirates, New Zealand, Ireland, Poland,[40] South Africa, Israel, Greece, Bulgaria, Croatia,[41] Norway, Singapore, South Korea, Sweden, Finland, Argentina,[42] Baltic states, India, Romania, Ukraine, and China.[43] U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said in mid-2005 that “at a minimum, there’s a little ‘froth’ [in the U.S. housing market]…it’s hard not to see that there are a lot of local bubbles”.[44] The Economist magazine, writing at the same time, went further, saying “the worldwide rise in house prices is the biggest bubble in history”.[45] Real estate bubbles are (by definition of the word “bubble”) followed by a price decrease (also known as a housing price crash) that can result in many owners holding negative equity (a mortgage debt higher than the current value of the property).
[edit]Causes
Main article: Causes of the Great Recession
The great asset bubble:[46]
Central banks’ gold reserves – $0.845 tn.
M0 (paper money) – – $3.9 tn.
traditional (fractional reserve) banking assets – $39 tn.
shadow banking assets – $62 tn.
other assets – $290 tn.
Bail-out money (early 2009) – $1.9 tn.
Further information: Financial crisis of 2007–2008
The central debate about the origin has been focused on the respective parts played by the public monetary policy (in the US notably) and by the practices of private financial institutions. In the U.S., mortgage funding was unusually decentralized, opaque, and competitive, and it is believed that competition between lenders for revenue and market share contributed to declining underwriting standards and risky lending.[9] Several analysts, such as Peter Wallison and Edward Pinto of the American Enterprise Institute, have asserted that private lenders were encouraged to relax lending standards by government affordable housing policies.[47][48] Another critic notes that, in 1995, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac created automated underwriting and automated valuation systems that led to a dramatic relaxation of lending standards throughout the industry. He also asserts that these two GSEs made massive purchases of substandard loans.[49] Although other analysts dispute these assertions and claim that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac only bought high-quality loans, a criminal fraud case filed by the SEC in December 2011 suggests that these Government Sponsored Entities made massive purchases of substandard loans. Wallison and Pinto analyzed the SEC charges and estimated that, as of June 2008, Fannie and Freddie held over $2 trillion in such substandard loans.[50]
On October 15, 2008, Anthony Faiola, Ellen Nakashima, and Jill Drew wrote a lengthy article in The Washington Post titled, “What Went Wrong”.[51] In their investigation, the authors claim that former Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, and SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt vehemently opposed any regulation of financial instruments known as derivatives. They further claim that Greenspan actively sought to undermine the office of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, specifically under the leadership of Brooksley E. Born, when the Commission sought to initiate regulation of derivatives. Ultimately, it was the collapse of a specific kind of derivative, the mortgage-backed security, that triggered the economic crisis of 2008.
While Greenspan’s role as Chairman of the Federal Reserve has been widely discussed (the main point of controversy remains the lowering of the Federal funds rate to 1% for more than a year which, according to Austrian theorists, allowed huge amounts of “easy” credit-based money to be injected into the financial system and thus create an unsustainable economic boom),[52] there is also the argument that Greenspan’s actions in the years 2002–2004 were actually motivated by the need to take the U.S. economy out of the early 2000s recession caused by the bursting of the dot-com bubble—although by doing so he did not help avert the crisis, but only postpone it.[53][54]
Some economists have claimed that the ultimate point of origin of the financial crisis of 2007–2010 can be traced back to an extremely indebted US economy.[citation needed] High private debt levels also impact growth by making recessions deeper and the following recovery weaker.[55] In the US total debt now is about 350% of GDP and that number is among the highest ever recorded.[56] Robert Reich claims the amount of debt in the US economy can be traced to economic inequality, assuming that middle-class wages remained stagnant while wealth concentrated at the top, and households “pull equity from their homes and overload on debt to maintain living standards.”[57]
Bank oversight had been largely carried out by states’ attorney generals’ offices until 2004 when John D. Hawke, Jr., Comptroller of the Currency’s decision to ban states from monitoring and regulating banks ended this practice based upon the 1863 National Bank Act.[58] A crucial facilitating role in the disaster was played by hedge funds.[59]
[edit]Effects
Main article: Effects of the Great Recession
[edit]U.S. overview
International trade, 2000-2010. 2000=100.[60] A plunge in the volumes of exchanges can be seen as of the second half of 2008.
The present recession is shaping up to be the worst post-World War II contraction on record:[61]
Real gross domestic product (GDP) began contracting in the third quarter of 2008, and by early 2009 was falling at an annualized pace not seen since the 1950s.[62]
Capital investment, which was in decline year-on-year since the final quarter of 2006, matched the 1957–58 post war record in the first quarter of 2009. The pace of collapse in residential investment picked up speed in the first quarter of 2009, dropping 23.2% year-on-year, nearly four percentage points faster than in the previous quarter.
U.S. domestic demand, in decline for five straight quarters, is still three months shy of the 1974–75 record, but the pace – down 2.6% per quarter vs. 1.9% in the earlier period – is a record-breaker already.
A report in 2009 by Bloomberg states that $14.5 trillion of value of global companies has been erased since the crisis began.[63]
For the majority, income levels have dropped substantially with the median male worker making $32,137 in 2010, and an inflation-adjusted income of $32,844 in 1968.[64] The recession of 2007–2009 is considered to be the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.[65] and the subsequent economic recovery one of the weakest. The weak economic performance since 2000 has seen the percentage of working age adults actually employed drop from 64% to 58% (a number last seen in 1984), with most of that drop occurring since 2007.[66]
Approximately 5.4 million people have been added to federal disability rolls as discouraged workers give up looking for work and take advantage of the federal program.[67]
The United States has seen an increasing concentration of wealth to the detriment of the middle class and the poor with the younger generations being especially affected. The middle class dropped from 61% of the population in 1971 to 51% in 2011 as the upper class increased its take of the national income from 29% in 1970 to 46% in 2010. The share for the middle class dropped to 45%, down from 62% while total income for the poor dropped to 9% from 10%. Since the number of poor increased during this period the smaller piece of the pie (down to 9% from 10%) is spread over a greater portion of the population.[68] The portion of national wealth owned by the middle class and poor has also dropped as their portion of the national income has dropped, making it more difficult to accumulate wealth. The younger generation, which would be just starting their wealth accumulation, has been the most hard hit. Those under 35 are 68% less wealthy then they were in 1984, while those over 55 are 10% wealthier.[69] Much of this concentration has happened since the start of the Great Recession. In 2009, the wealthiest 20% of households controlled 87.2% of all wealth, up from 85.0% in 2007. The top 1% controlled 35.6% of all wealth, up from 34.6% in 2007.[70] The share of the bottom 80% fell from 15% to 12.8%, dropping 15%.
Inflation-adjusted median household income in the United States peaked in 1999 at $53,252 (at the peak of the Internet stock bubble), dropped to $51,174 in 2004, went up to 52,823 in 2007 (at the peak of the housing bubble), and has since trended downward to $49,445 in 2010. The last time median household income was at this level was in 1996 at $49,112, indicating that the recession of the early 2000s and the 2008–2012 global recession wiped out all middle class income gains for the last 15 years.[71] This income drop has caused a dramatic[citation needed] rise in people living under the poverty level and has hit suburbia particularly hard. Between 2000 and 2010, the number of suburban households below the poverty line increased by 53 percent, compared to a 23 percent increase in poor households in urban areas.[72]
[edit]Political instability related to the economic crisis
On February 26, 2009, an Economic Intelligence Briefing was added to the daily intelligence briefings prepared for the President of the United States. This addition reflects the assessment of U.S. intelligence agencies that the global financial crisis presents a serious threat to international stability.[73]
Business Week stated in March 2009 that global political instability is rising fast due to the global financial crisis and is creating new challenges that need managing.[74] The Associated Press reported in March 2009 that: United States “Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair has said the economic weakness could lead to political instability in many developing nations.”[75] Even some developed countries are seeing political instability.[76] NPR reports that David Gordon, a former intelligence officer who now leads research at the Eurasia Group, said: “Many, if not most, of the big countries out there have room to accommodate economic downturns without having large-scale political instability if we’re in a recession of normal length. If you’re in a much longer-run downturn, then all bets are off.”[77]
Globally, mass protest movements have arisen in many countries as a response to the economic crisis. Additionally, in some countries, riots and even open revolts have occurred in relation to the economic crisis.
In January 2009 the government leaders of Iceland were forced to call elections two years early after the people of Iceland staged mass protests and clashed with the police due to the government’s handling of the economy.[76] Hundreds of thousands protested in France against President Sarkozy’s economic policies.[78] Prompted by the financial crisis in Latvia, the opposition and trade unions there organized a rally against the cabinet of premier Ivars Godmanis. The rally gathered some 10-20 thousand people. In the evening the rally turned into a Riot. The crowd moved to the building of the parliament and attempted to force their way into it, but were repelled by the state’s police. In late February many Greeks took part in a massive general strike because of the economic situation and they shut down schools, airports, and many other services in Greece.[79] Police and protesters clashed in Lithuania where people protesting the economic conditions were shot with rubber bullets.[80] In addition to various levels of unrest in Europe, Asian countries have also seen various degrees of protest.[81] Communists and others rallied in Moscow to protest the Russian government’s economic plans.[82] Protests have also occurred in China as demands from the west for exports have been dramatically reduced and unemployment has increased.[83] Beyond these initial protests, the protest movement has grown and continued in 2011. In late 2011, the Occupy Wall Street protest took place in the United States, spawning several offshoots that came to be known as the Occupy movement.
In 2012 the economic difficulties in Spain have caused support for secession movements to increase. In Catalonia support for the secession movement exceeded 50%, up from 25% in 2010. On September 11, a pro-independence march, which in the past has never drawn more than 50,000 people, pulled in a crowd estimated by city police at 1.5 million.[84]
[edit]Policy responses
Main article: National fiscal policy response to the Great Recession
See also: 2008–2009 Keynesian resurgence
The financial phase of the crisis led to emergency interventions in many national financial systems. As the crisis developed into genuine recession in many major economies, economic stimulus meant to revive economic growth became the most common policy tool. After having implemented rescue plans for the banking system, major developed and emerging countries announced plans to relieve their economies. In particular, economic stimulus plans were announced in China, the United States, and the European Union.[85] Bailouts of failing or threatened businesses were carried out or discussed in the USA, the EU, and India.[86] In the final quarter of 2008, the financial crisis saw the G-20 group of major economies assume a new significance as a focus of economic and financial crisis management.
[edit]United States policy responses
Main article: United States policy responses to the Great Recession
The Federal Reserve, Treasury, and Securities and Exchange Commission took several steps on September 19 to intervene in the crisis. To stop the potential run on money market mutual funds, the Treasury also announced on September 19 a new $50 billion program to insure the investments, similar to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) program.[87][88] Part of the announcements included temporary exceptions to section 23A and 23B (Regulation W), allowing financial groups to more easily share funds within their group. The exceptions would expire on January 30, 2009, unless extended by the Federal Reserve Board.[89] The Securities and Exchange Commission announced termination of short-selling of 799 financial stocks, as well as action against naked short selling, as part of its reaction to the mortgage crisis.[90]
[edit]Asia-Pacific policy responses
On September 15, 2008 China cut its interest rate for the first time since 2002. Indonesia reduced its overnight repo rate, at which commercial banks can borrow overnight funds from the central bank, by two percentage points to 10.25 percent. The Reserve Bank of Australia injected nearly $1.5 billion into the banking system, nearly three times as much as the market’s estimated requirement. The Reserve Bank of India added almost $1.32 billion, through a refinance operation, its biggest in at least a month.[91] On November 9, 2008 the 2008 Chinese economic stimulus plan is a RMB¥ 4 trillion ($586 billion) stimulus package announced by the central government of the People’s Republic of China in its biggest move to stop the global financial crisis from hitting the world’s second largest economy. A statement on the government’s website said the State Council had approved a plan to invest 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) in infrastructure and social welfare by the end of 2010. The stimulus package will be invested in key areas such as housing, rural infrastructure, transportation, health and education, environment, industry, disaster rebuilding, income-building, tax cuts, and finance.
China’s export driven economy is starting to feel the impact of the economic slowdown in the United States and Europe, and the government has already cut key interest rates three times in less than two months in a bid to spur economic expansion. On November 28, 2008, the Ministry of Finance of the People’s Republic of China and the State Administration of Taxation jointly announced a rise in export tax rebate rates on some labor-intensive goods. These additional tax rebates will take place on December 1, 2008.[92]
The stimulus package was welcomed by world leaders and analysts as larger than expected and a sign that by boosting its own economy, China is helping to stabilize the global economy. News of the announcement of the stimulus package sent markets up across the world. However, Marc Faber claimed that he thought China was still in recession on January 16.
In Taiwan, the central bank on September 16, 2008, said it would cut its required reserve ratios for the first time in eight years. The central bank added $3.59 billion into the foreign-currency interbank market the same day. Bank of Japan pumped $29.3 billion into the financial system on September 17, 2008, and the Reserve Bank of Australia added $3.45 billion the same day.[93]
In developing and emerging economies, responses to the global crisis mainly consisted in low-rates monetary policy (Asia and the Middle East mainly) coupled with the depreciation of the currency against the dollar. There were also stimulus plans in some Asian countries, in the Middle East and in Argentina. In Asia, plans generally amounted to 1 to 3% of GDP, with the notable exception of China, which announced a plan accounting for 16% of GDP (6% of GDP per year).
[edit]European policy responses
Until September 2008, European policy measures were limited to a small number of countries (Spain and Italy). In both countries, the measures were dedicated to households (tax rebates) reform of the taxation system to support specific sectors such as housing. The European Commission proposed a €200 billion stimulus plan to be implemented at the European level by the countries. At the beginning of 2009, the UK and Spain completed their initial plans, while Germany announced a new plan.
On September 29, 2008, the Belgian, Luxembourg and Dutch authorities partially nationalized Fortis. The German government bailed out Hypo Real Estate.
On 8 October 2008 the British Government announced a bank rescue package of around £500 billion[94] ($850 billion at the time). The plan comprises three parts. The first £200 billion would be made in regard to the banks in liquidity stack. The second part will consist of the state government increasing the capital market within the banks. Along with this, £50 billion will be made available if the banks needed it, finally the government will write away any eligible lending between the British banks with a limit to £250 billion.
In early December German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrück indicated a lack of belief in a “Great Rescue Plan” and reluctance to spend more money addressing the crisis.[95] In March 2009, The European Union Presidency confirmed that the EU was at the time strongly resisting the US pressure to increase European budget deficits.[96]
[edit]Global responses
Responses by the UK and United States in proportion to their GDPs
Most political responses to the economic and financial crisis has been taken, as seen above, by individual nations. Some coordination took place at the European level, but the need to cooperate at the global level has led leaders to activate the G-20 major economies entity. A first summit dedicated to the crisis took place, at the Heads of state level in November 2008 (2008 G-20 Washington summit).
The G-20 countries met in a summit held on November 2008 in Washington to address the economic crisis. Apart from proposals on international financial regulation, they pledged to take measures to support their economy and to coordinate them, and refused any resort to protectionism.
Another G-20 summit was held in London on April 2009. Finance ministers and central banks leaders of the G-20 met in Horsham on March to prepare the summit, and pledged to restore global growth as soon as possible. They decided to coordinate their actions and to stimulate demand and employment. They also pledged to fight against all forms of protectionism and to maintain trade and foreign investments. They also committed to maintain the supply of credit by providing more liquidity and recapitalizing the banking system, and to implement rapidly the stimulus plans. As for central bankers, they pledged to maintain low-rates policies as long as necessary. Finally, the leaders decided to help emerging and developing countries, through a strengthening of the IMF.
[edit]Policy recommendations
[edit]IMF recommendation
The IMF stated in September 2010 that the financial crisis would not end without a major decrease in unemployment as hundreds of millions of people were unemployed worldwide. The IMF urged governments to expand social safety nets and to generate job creation even as they are under pressure to cut spending. Governments should also invest in skills training for the unemployed and even governments of countries like Greece with major debt risk should first focus on long-term economic recovery by creating jobs.[97]
[edit]Countries maintaining growth or technically avoiding recession
Poland is the only member of the European Union to have avoided a decline in GDP, meaning that in 2009 Poland has created the most GDP growth in the EU. As of December 2009 the Polish economy had not entered recession nor even contracted, while its IMF 2010 GDP growth forecast of 1.9 per cent is expected to be upgraded.[98][99][100] Analysts have identified several causes: Extremely low levels of bank lending and a relatively very small mortgage market; the relatively recent dismantling of EU trade barriers and the resulting surge in demand for Polish goods since 2004; the receipt of direct EU funding since 2004; lack of over-dependence on a single export sector; a tradition of government fiscal responsibility; a relatively large internal market; the free-floating Polish zloty; low labour costs attracting continued foreign direct investment; economic difficulties at the start of the decade which prompted austerity measures in advance of the world crisis.[citation needed]
While China, India, and Iran have experienced slowing growth, they have not entered recession.
South Korea narrowly avoided technical recession in the first quarter of 2009.[101] The International Energy Agency stated in mid September that South Korea could be the only large OECD country to avoid recession for the whole of 2009.[102] It was the only developed economy to expand in the first half of 2009.
Australia avoided a technical recession after experiencing only one quarter of negative growth in the fourth quarter of 2008, with GDP returning to positive in the first quarter of 2009.[103][104]
[edit]Raising interest rates
The Bank of Israel was the first to raise interest rates after the global recession began.[105] It increased rates in August 2009.[105]
On October 6, 2009, Australia became the first G20 country to raise its main interest rate, with the Reserve Bank of Australia moving rates up from 3.00% to 3.25%.[106]
The Norges Bank of Norway and the Reserve Bank of India raised interest rates in March 2010.[107]
[edit]Countries in economic recession or depression
Main article: Timeline of the Great Recession
Many countries experienced recession in 2008.[108]
Denmark went into recession in the first quarter of 2008, but came out again in the second quarter.[109] Iceland fell into an economic depression in 2008 following the collapse of its banking system. (see 2008–2012 Icelandic financial crisis) By mid-2012 Iceland is regarded as one of Europe’s recovery success stories largely as a result of a currency devaluation that has effectively reduced wages by 50%–making exports more competitive.[110]
The following countries went into recession in the second quarter of 2008: Greece, Estonia,[111] Latvia,[112] Ireland[113] and New Zealand.[114]
The following countries/territories went into recession in the third quarter of 2008: Japan,[115] Sweden,[116] Hong Kong,[117] Singapore,[118] Italy,[119] Turkey[108] and Germany.[120] As a whole the fifteen nations in the European Union that use the Euro went into recession in the third quarter,[121] and the United Kingdom. In addition, the European Union, the G7, and the OECD all experienced negative growth in the third quarter.[108]
The following countries/territories went into technical recession in the fourth quarter of 2008: United States, Switzerland,[122] Spain,[123] and Taiwan.[124]
South Korea “miraculously” avoided recession with GDP returning positive at a 0.1% expansion in the first quarter of 2009.[125]
Of the seven largest economies in the world by GDP, only China and France avoided a recession in 2008. France experienced a 0.3% contraction in Q2 and 0.1% growth in Q3 of 2008. In the year to the third quarter of 2008 China grew by 9%. Until recently Chinese officials considered 8% GDP growth to be required simply to create enough jobs for rural people moving to urban centres.[126] This figure may more accurately be considered to be 5–7% now that the main growth in working population is receding. Growth of between 5%–8% could well have the type of effect in China that a recession has elsewhere. Ukraine went into technical depression in January 2009 with a nominal annualized GDP growth of −20%.[127]
Japan was in recovery in the middle of the decade 2000s but slipped back into recession and deflation in 2008.[128] The recession in Japan intensified in the fourth quarter of 2008 with a nominal annualized GDP growth of −12.7%,[129] and deepened further in the first quarter of 2009 with a nominal annualized GDP growth of −15.2%.[130]
[edit]Official forecasts
Wikinews has related news: US Fed chairman Bernanke says recession could end this year
On March 2009, U.S. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said in an interview that he felt that if banks began lending more freely, allowing the financial markets to return to normal, the recession could end during 2009.[18][131] In that same interview, Bernanke said Green shoots of economic revival are already evident.[132] On February 18, 2009, the US Federal Reserve cut their economic forecast of 2009, expecting the U.S. output to shrink between 0.5% and 1.5%, down from its forecast in October 2008 of output between +1.1% (growth) and −0.2% (contraction).[133]
The EU commission in Brussels updated their earlier predictions on January 19, 2009, expecting Germany to contract −2.25% and −1.8% on average for the 27 EU countries.[134] According to new forecasts by Deutsche Bank (end of November 2008), the economy of Germany will contract by more than 4% in 2009.[135]
On November 3, 2008, according to all newspapers, the European Commission in Brussels predicted for 2009 only an extremely low increase by 0.1% of the GDP, for the countries of the Euro zone (France, Germany, Italy, etc.).[136] They also predicted negative numbers for the UK (−1.0%), Ireland, Spain, and other countries of the EU. Three days later, the IMF at Washington, D.C., predicted for 2009 a worldwide decrease, −0.3%, of the same number, on average over the developed economies (−0.7% for the US, and −0.8% for Germany).[137] On April 22, 2009, the German ministers of finance and that of economy, in a common press conference, corrected again their numbers for 2009 downwards: this time the “prognosis” for Germany was a decrease of the GDP of at least −5%,[138] in agreement with a recent prediction of the IMF.[139]
On June 11, 2009, the World Bank Group predicted for 2009 for the first time a global contraction of the economic power, precisely by −3%.[140]
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Wow please again explain to me how this guy was telling the truth. This guy does not get thier was a lot that happened that got us in the deciet not all of it was Obama, also Obama was dealing with problems of the Bush economy aka two wars that were not payed for. Please keep showing how igorant you are to facts, you think a guy that gets owned by host is what truth telling is, wow, you show again that you hate facts and do not know what honesty is. Thanks for embarrassing yourself by posting a debunked video.
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Wow a denunked video that you think is true, showing that you do not know what honesty and facts are,
Sorry but this video is a lie This has nothing to do with KO and baseball. This guy also did not own Contessa I have to laugh with how she got this guy good. Obama was not president in 2006, so being in the Senate means nothing, also why is the deciet more with a Republican congress as a majority, that is how hypocritcal this guy is. Also the way that he says has been shown not to work also The Great Recession[1] (also referred to as the Lesser Depression,[2] the Long Recession,[3] or the global recession of 2007-2009[4][5]) is a marked global economic decline that began in December 2007 and took a particularly sharp downward turn in September 2008. The active phase of the crisis, which manifested as a liquidity crisis, can be dated from August 7, 2007 when BNP Paribas terminated withdrawals from three hedge funds citing “a complete evaporation of liquidity”.[6] The bursting of the U.S. housing bubble, which peaked in 2006,[7] caused the values of securities tied to U.S. real estate pricing to plummet, damaging financial institutions globally.[8][9] The global recession affected the entire world economy, with higher detriment in some countries than others. It is a major global recession characterized by various systemic imbalances and was sparked by the outbreak of the financial crisis of 2007–2008. As of December 2012, the economic side effects of the European sovereign debt crisis[10] and limited prospects for global growth in 2013 and 2014[11][12] continue to provide obstacles to full recovery from the Great Recession.[13][14][15]
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Contents [hide]
1 Terminology
2 Overview
3 Pre-recession economic imbalances
3.1 Housing bubble
4 Causes
5 Effects
5.1 U.S. overview
6 Political instability related to the economic crisis
7 Policy responses
7.1 United States policy responses
7.2 Asia-Pacific policy responses
7.3 European policy responses
7.4 Global responses
8 Policy recommendations
8.1 IMF recommendation
9 Countries maintaining growth or technically avoiding recession
9.1 Raising interest rates
10 Countries in economic recession or depression
11 Official forecasts
12 Comparisons with the Great Depression
13 Job losses and unemployment rates
14 Risk of second recession
15 See also
16 References
17 Further reading
18 External links
[edit]Terminology
There are two senses of the word “recession”: a less precise sense, referring broadly to “a period of reduced economic activity”,[16] and the academic sense used most often in economics, which is defined operationally, referring specifically to the contraction phase of a business cycle, with two or more consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. If one analyzes the event using the economics-academic definition of the word, the recession ended in the United States in June or July 2009.[17][18] However, in the broader, lay sense of the word, many people use the term to refer to the ongoing hardship (in the same way that the term “Great Depression” is also popularly used).[19] In the U.S., for example, as of December, 2012 persistent high unemployment remains, along with low consumer confidence, the continuing decline in home values and increase in foreclosures and personal bankruptcies, an escalating federal debt crisis, inflation, and rising petroleum and food prices. In fact, a 2011 poll found that more than half of all Americans think the U.S. is still in recession or even depression, although economic data show a historically modest recovery.[20] This could be due to the fact that both private and public levels of debt are at historic highs in the U.S. and in many other countries, and an increasing number of economists believe that excessive debt plays a role in causing bank crises, lengthy depressions, and sovereign default.[21][22][23][24]
[edit]Overview
According to the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research (the official arbiter of U.S. recessions) the recession began in December 2007 and ended in June 2009.[25][26] US mortgage-backed securities, which had risks that were hard to assess, were marketed around the world. A more broad based credit boom fed a global speculative bubble in real estate and equities, which served to reinforce the risky lending practices.[27][28] The precarious financial situation was made more difficult by a sharp increase in oil and food prices. The emergence of sub-prime loan losses in 2007 began the crisis and exposed other risky loans and over-inflated asset prices. With loan losses mounting and the fall of Lehman Brothers on September 15, 2008, a major panic broke out on the inter-bank loan market. As share and housing prices declined, many large and well established investment and commercial banks in the United States and Europe suffered huge losses and even faced bankruptcy, resulting in massive public financial assistance.
A global recession has resulted in a sharp drop in international trade, rising unemployment and slumping commodity prices. In December 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) declared that the United States had been in recession since December 2007.[29] Several economists predicted that recovery might not appear until 2011 and that the recession would be the worst since the Great Depression of the 1930s.[30][31] Paul Krugman, who won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics, once commented on this as seemingly the beginning of “a second Great Depression.”[32] The conditions leading up to the crisis, characterized by an exorbitant rise in asset prices and associated boom in economic demand, are considered a result of the extended period of easily available credit[33] and inadequate regulation and oversight.[34]
The recession has renewed interest in Keynesian economic ideas on how to combat recessionary conditions. Fiscal and monetary policies have been significantly eased to stem the recession and financial risks. Economists advise that the stimulus should be withdrawn as soon as the economies recover enough to “chart a path to sustainable growth”.[35][36][37]
[edit]Pre-recession economic imbalances
The onset of the economic crisis took most people by surprise. A 2009 paper identifies twelve economists and commentators who, between 2000 and 2006, predicted a recession based on the collapse of the then-booming housing market in the United States:[38] Dean Baker, Wynne Godley, Fred Harrison, Michael Hudson, Eric Janszen, Steve Keen, Jakob Brøchner Madsen, Jens Kjaer Sørensen, Kurt Richebächer, Nouriel Roubini, Peter Schiff, and Robert Shiller.[38]
[edit]Housing bubble
UK house prices between 1975 and 2010.
Further information: Real estate bubble
By 2007, real estate bubbles were still under way in many parts of the world,[39] especially in the United States,[9] France, United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Australia, United Arab Emirates, New Zealand, Ireland, Poland,[40] South Africa, Israel, Greece, Bulgaria, Croatia,[41] Norway, Singapore, South Korea, Sweden, Finland, Argentina,[42] Baltic states, India, Romania, Ukraine, and China.[43] U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said in mid-2005 that “at a minimum, there’s a little ‘froth’ [in the U.S. housing market]…it’s hard not to see that there are a lot of local bubbles”.[44] The Economist magazine, writing at the same time, went further, saying “the worldwide rise in house prices is the biggest bubble in history”.[45] Real estate bubbles are (by definition of the word “bubble”) followed by a price decrease (also known as a housing price crash) that can result in many owners holding negative equity (a mortgage debt higher than the current value of the property).
[edit]Causes
Main article: Causes of the Great Recession
The great asset bubble:[46]
Central banks’ gold reserves – $0.845 tn.
M0 (paper money) – – $3.9 tn.
traditional (fractional reserve) banking assets – $39 tn.
shadow banking assets – $62 tn.
other assets – $290 tn.
Bail-out money (early 2009) – $1.9 tn.
Further information: Financial crisis of 2007–2008
The central debate about the origin has been focused on the respective parts played by the public monetary policy (in the US notably) and by the practices of private financial institutions. In the U.S., mortgage funding was unusually decentralized, opaque, and competitive, and it is believed that competition between lenders for revenue and market share contributed to declining underwriting standards and risky lending.[9] Several analysts, such as Peter Wallison and Edward Pinto of the American Enterprise Institute, have asserted that private lenders were encouraged to relax lending standards by government affordable housing policies.[47][48] Another critic notes that, in 1995, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac created automated underwriting and automated valuation systems that led to a dramatic relaxation of lending standards throughout the industry. He also asserts that these two GSEs made massive purchases of substandard loans.[49] Although other analysts dispute these assertions and claim that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac only bought high-quality loans, a criminal fraud case filed by the SEC in December 2011 suggests that these Government Sponsored Entities made massive purchases of substandard loans. Wallison and Pinto analyzed the SEC charges and estimated that, as of June 2008, Fannie and Freddie held over $2 trillion in such substandard loans.[50]
On October 15, 2008, Anthony Faiola, Ellen Nakashima, and Jill Drew wrote a lengthy article in The Washington Post titled, “What Went Wrong”.[51] In their investigation, the authors claim that former Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, and SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt vehemently opposed any regulation of financial instruments known as derivatives. They further claim that Greenspan actively sought to undermine the office of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, specifically under the leadership of Brooksley E. Born, when the Commission sought to initiate regulation of derivatives. Ultimately, it was the collapse of a specific kind of derivative, the mortgage-backed security, that triggered the economic crisis of 2008.
While Greenspan’s role as Chairman of the Federal Reserve has been widely discussed (the main point of controversy remains the lowering of the Federal funds rate to 1% for more than a year which, according to Austrian theorists, allowed huge amounts of “easy” credit-based money to be injected into the financial system and thus create an unsustainable economic boom),[52] there is also the argument that Greenspan’s actions in the years 2002–2004 were actually motivated by the need to take the U.S. economy out of the early 2000s recession caused by the bursting of the dot-com bubble—although by doing so he did not help avert the crisis, but only postpone it.[53][54]
Some economists have claimed that the ultimate point of origin of the financial crisis of 2007–2010 can be traced back to an extremely indebted US economy.[citation needed] High private debt levels also impact growth by making recessions deeper and the following recovery weaker.[55] In the US total debt now is about 350% of GDP and that number is among the highest ever recorded.[56] Robert Reich claims the amount of debt in the US economy can be traced to economic inequality, assuming that middle-class wages remained stagnant while wealth concentrated at the top, and households “pull equity from their homes and overload on debt to maintain living standards.”[57]
Bank oversight had been largely carried out by states’ attorney generals’ offices until 2004 when John D. Hawke, Jr., Comptroller of the Currency’s decision to ban states from monitoring and regulating banks ended this practice based upon the 1863 National Bank Act.[58] A crucial facilitating role in the disaster was played by hedge funds.[59]
[edit]Effects
Main article: Effects of the Great Recession
[edit]U.S. overview
International trade, 2000-2010. 2000=100.[60] A plunge in the volumes of exchanges can be seen as of the second half of 2008.
The present recession is shaping up to be the worst post-World War II contraction on record:[61]
Real gross domestic product (GDP) began contracting in the third quarter of 2008, and by early 2009 was falling at an annualized pace not seen since the 1950s.[62]
Capital investment, which was in decline year-on-year since the final quarter of 2006, matched the 1957–58 post war record in the first quarter of 2009. The pace of collapse in residential investment picked up speed in the first quarter of 2009, dropping 23.2% year-on-year, nearly four percentage points faster than in the previous quarter.
U.S. domestic demand, in decline for five straight quarters, is still three months shy of the 1974–75 record, but the pace – down 2.6% per quarter vs. 1.9% in the earlier period – is a record-breaker already.
A report in 2009 by Bloomberg states that $14.5 trillion of value of global companies has been erased since the crisis began.[63]
For the majority, income levels have dropped substantially with the median male worker making $32,137 in 2010, and an inflation-adjusted income of $32,844 in 1968.[64] The recession of 2007–2009 is considered to be the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.[65] and the subsequent economic recovery one of the weakest. The weak economic performance since 2000 has seen the percentage of working age adults actually employed drop from 64% to 58% (a number last seen in 1984), with most of that drop occurring since 2007.[66]
Approximately 5.4 million people have been added to federal disability rolls as discouraged workers give up looking for work and take advantage of the federal program.[67]
The United States has seen an increasing concentration of wealth to the detriment of the middle class and the poor with the younger generations being especially affected. The middle class dropped from 61% of the population in 1971 to 51% in 2011 as the upper class increased its take of the national income from 29% in 1970 to 46% in 2010. The share for the middle class dropped to 45%, down from 62% while total income for the poor dropped to 9% from 10%. Since the number of poor increased during this period the smaller piece of the pie (down to 9% from 10%) is spread over a greater portion of the population.[68] The portion of national wealth owned by the middle class and poor has also dropped as their portion of the national income has dropped, making it more difficult to accumulate wealth. The younger generation, which would be just starting their wealth accumulation, has been the most hard hit. Those under 35 are 68% less wealthy then they were in 1984, while those over 55 are 10% wealthier.[69] Much of this concentration has happened since the start of the Great Recession. In 2009, the wealthiest 20% of households controlled 87.2% of all wealth, up from 85.0% in 2007. The top 1% controlled 35.6% of all wealth, up from 34.6% in 2007.[70] The share of the bottom 80% fell from 15% to 12.8%, dropping 15%.
Inflation-adjusted median household income in the United States peaked in 1999 at $53,252 (at the peak of the Internet stock bubble), dropped to $51,174 in 2004, went up to 52,823 in 2007 (at the peak of the housing bubble), and has since trended downward to $49,445 in 2010. The last time median household income was at this level was in 1996 at $49,112, indicating that the recession of the early 2000s and the 2008–2012 global recession wiped out all middle class income gains for the last 15 years.[71] This income drop has caused a dramatic[citation needed] rise in people living under the poverty level and has hit suburbia particularly hard. Between 2000 and 2010, the number of suburban households below the poverty line increased by 53 percent, compared to a 23 percent increase in poor households in urban areas.[72]
[edit]Political instability related to the economic crisis
On February 26, 2009, an Economic Intelligence Briefing was added to the daily intelligence briefings prepared for the President of the United States. This addition reflects the assessment of U.S. intelligence agencies that the global financial crisis presents a serious threat to international stability.[73]
Business Week stated in March 2009 that global political instability is rising fast due to the global financial crisis and is creating new challenges that need managing.[74] The Associated Press reported in March 2009 that: United States “Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair has said the economic weakness could lead to political instability in many developing nations.”[75] Even some developed countries are seeing political instability.[76] NPR reports that David Gordon, a former intelligence officer who now leads research at the Eurasia Group, said: “Many, if not most, of the big countries out there have room to accommodate economic downturns without having large-scale political instability if we’re in a recession of normal length. If you’re in a much longer-run downturn, then all bets are off.”[77]
Globally, mass protest movements have arisen in many countries as a response to the economic crisis. Additionally, in some countries, riots and even open revolts have occurred in relation to the economic crisis.
In January 2009 the government leaders of Iceland were forced to call elections two years early after the people of Iceland staged mass protests and clashed with the police due to the government’s handling of the economy.[76] Hundreds of thousands protested in France against President Sarkozy’s economic policies.[78] Prompted by the financial crisis in Latvia, the opposition and trade unions there organized a rally against the cabinet of premier Ivars Godmanis. The rally gathered some 10-20 thousand people. In the evening the rally turned into a Riot. The crowd moved to the building of the parliament and attempted to force their way into it, but were repelled by the state’s police. In late February many Greeks took part in a massive general strike because of the economic situation and they shut down schools, airports, and many other services in Greece.[79] Police and protesters clashed in Lithuania where people protesting the economic conditions were shot with rubber bullets.[80] In addition to various levels of unrest in Europe, Asian countries have also seen various degrees of protest.[81] Communists and others rallied in Moscow to protest the Russian government’s economic plans.[82] Protests have also occurred in China as demands from the west for exports have been dramatically reduced and unemployment has increased.[83] Beyond these initial protests, the protest movement has grown and continued in 2011. In late 2011, the Occupy Wall Street protest took place in the United States, spawning several offshoots that came to be known as the Occupy movement.
In 2012 the economic difficulties in Spain have caused support for secession movements to increase. In Catalonia support for the secession movement exceeded 50%, up from 25% in 2010. On September 11, a pro-independence march, which in the past has never drawn more than 50,000 people, pulled in a crowd estimated by city police at 1.5 million.[84]
[edit]Policy responses
Main article: National fiscal policy response to the Great Recession
See also: 2008–2009 Keynesian resurgence
The financial phase of the crisis led to emergency interventions in many national financial systems. As the crisis developed into genuine recession in many major economies, economic stimulus meant to revive economic growth became the most common policy tool. After having implemented rescue plans for the banking system, major developed and emerging countries announced plans to relieve their economies. In particular, economic stimulus plans were announced in China, the United States, and the European Union.[85] Bailouts of failing or threatened businesses were carried out or discussed in the USA, the EU, and India.[86] In the final quarter of 2008, the financial crisis saw the G-20 group of major economies assume a new significance as a focus of economic and financial crisis management.
[edit]United States policy responses
Main article: United States policy responses to the Great Recession
The Federal Reserve, Treasury, and Securities and Exchange Commission took several steps on September 19 to intervene in the crisis. To stop the potential run on money market mutual funds, the Treasury also announced on September 19 a new $50 billion program to insure the investments, similar to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) program.[87][88] Part of the announcements included temporary exceptions to section 23A and 23B (Regulation W), allowing financial groups to more easily share funds within their group. The exceptions would expire on January 30, 2009, unless extended by the Federal Reserve Board.[89] The Securities and Exchange Commission announced termination of short-selling of 799 financial stocks, as well as action against naked short selling, as part of its reaction to the mortgage crisis.[90]
[edit]Asia-Pacific policy responses
On September 15, 2008 China cut its interest rate for the first time since 2002. Indonesia reduced its overnight repo rate, at which commercial banks can borrow overnight funds from the central bank, by two percentage points to 10.25 percent. The Reserve Bank of Australia injected nearly $1.5 billion into the banking system, nearly three times as much as the market’s estimated requirement. The Reserve Bank of India added almost $1.32 billion, through a refinance operation, its biggest in at least a month.[91] On November 9, 2008 the 2008 Chinese economic stimulus plan is a RMB¥ 4 trillion ($586 billion) stimulus package announced by the central government of the People’s Republic of China in its biggest move to stop the global financial crisis from hitting the world’s second largest economy. A statement on the government’s website said the State Council had approved a plan to invest 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) in infrastructure and social welfare by the end of 2010. The stimulus package will be invested in key areas such as housing, rural infrastructure, transportation, health and education, environment, industry, disaster rebuilding, income-building, tax cuts, and finance.
China’s export driven economy is starting to feel the impact of the economic slowdown in the United States and Europe, and the government has already cut key interest rates three times in less than two months in a bid to spur economic expansion. On November 28, 2008, the Ministry of Finance of the People’s Republic of China and the State Administration of Taxation jointly announced a rise in export tax rebate rates on some labor-intensive goods. These additional tax rebates will take place on December 1, 2008.[92]
The stimulus package was welcomed by world leaders and analysts as larger than expected and a sign that by boosting its own economy, China is helping to stabilize the global economy. News of the announcement of the stimulus package sent markets up across the world. However, Marc Faber claimed that he thought China was still in recession on January 16.
In Taiwan, the central bank on September 16, 2008, said it would cut its required reserve ratios for the first time in eight years. The central bank added $3.59 billion into the foreign-currency interbank market the same day. Bank of Japan pumped $29.3 billion into the financial system on September 17, 2008, and the Reserve Bank of Australia added $3.45 billion the same day.[93]
In developing and emerging economies, responses to the global crisis mainly consisted in low-rates monetary policy (Asia and the Middle East mainly) coupled with the depreciation of the currency against the dollar. There were also stimulus plans in some Asian countries, in the Middle East and in Argentina. In Asia, plans generally amounted to 1 to 3% of GDP, with the notable exception of China, which announced a plan accounting for 16% of GDP (6% of GDP per year).
[edit]European policy responses
Until September 2008, European policy measures were limited to a small number of countries (Spain and Italy). In both countries, the measures were dedicated to households (tax rebates) reform of the taxation system to support specific sectors such as housing. The European Commission proposed a €200 billion stimulus plan to be implemented at the European level by the countries. At the beginning of 2009, the UK and Spain completed their initial plans, while Germany announced a new plan.
On September 29, 2008, the Belgian, Luxembourg and Dutch authorities partially nationalized Fortis. The German government bailed out Hypo Real Estate.
On 8 October 2008 the British Government announced a bank rescue package of around £500 billion[94] ($850 billion at the time). The plan comprises three parts. The first £200 billion would be made in regard to the banks in liquidity stack. The second part will consist of the state government increasing the capital market within the banks. Along with this, £50 billion will be made available if the banks needed it, finally the government will write away any eligible lending between the British banks with a limit to £250 billion.
In early December German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrück indicated a lack of belief in a “Great Rescue Plan” and reluctance to spend more money addressing the crisis.[95] In March 2009, The European Union Presidency confirmed that the EU was at the time strongly resisting the US pressure to increase European budget deficits.[96]
[edit]Global responses
Responses by the UK and United States in proportion to their GDPs
Most political responses to the economic and financial crisis has been taken, as seen above, by individual nations. Some coordination took place at the European level, but the need to cooperate at the global level has led leaders to activate the G-20 major economies entity. A first summit dedicated to the crisis took place, at the Heads of state level in November 2008 (2008 G-20 Washington summit).
The G-20 countries met in a summit held on November 2008 in Washington to address the economic crisis. Apart from proposals on international financial regulation, they pledged to take measures to support their economy and to coordinate them, and refused any resort to protectionism.
Another G-20 summit was held in London on April 2009. Finance ministers and central banks leaders of the G-20 met in Horsham on March to prepare the summit, and pledged to restore global growth as soon as possible. They decided to coordinate their actions and to stimulate demand and employment. They also pledged to fight against all forms of protectionism and to maintain trade and foreign investments. They also committed to maintain the supply of credit by providing more liquidity and recapitalizing the banking system, and to implement rapidly the stimulus plans. As for central bankers, they pledged to maintain low-rates policies as long as necessary. Finally, the leaders decided to help emerging and developing countries, through a strengthening of the IMF.
[edit]Policy recommendations
[edit]IMF recommendation
The IMF stated in September 2010 that the financial crisis would not end without a major decrease in unemployment as hundreds of millions of people were unemployed worldwide. The IMF urged governments to expand social safety nets and to generate job creation even as they are under pressure to cut spending. Governments should also invest in skills training for the unemployed and even governments of countries like Greece with major debt risk should first focus on long-term economic recovery by creating jobs.[97]
[edit]Countries maintaining growth or technically avoiding recession
Poland is the only member of the European Union to have avoided a decline in GDP, meaning that in 2009 Poland has created the most GDP growth in the EU. As of December 2009 the Polish economy had not entered recession nor even contracted, while its IMF 2010 GDP growth forecast of 1.9 per cent is expected to be upgraded.[98][99][100] Analysts have identified several causes: Extremely low levels of bank lending and a relatively very small mortgage market; the relatively recent dismantling of EU trade barriers and the resulting surge in demand for Polish goods since 2004; the receipt of direct EU funding since 2004; lack of over-dependence on a single export sector; a tradition of government fiscal responsibility; a relatively large internal market; the free-floating Polish zloty; low labour costs attracting continued foreign direct investment; economic difficulties at the start of the decade which prompted austerity measures in advance of the world crisis.[citation needed]
While China, India, and Iran have experienced slowing growth, they have not entered recession.
South Korea narrowly avoided technical recession in the first quarter of 2009.[101] The International Energy Agency stated in mid September that South Korea could be the only large OECD country to avoid recession for the whole of 2009.[102] It was the only developed economy to expand in the first half of 2009.
Australia avoided a technical recession after experiencing only one quarter of negative growth in the fourth quarter of 2008, with GDP returning to positive in the first quarter of 2009.[103][104]
[edit]Raising interest rates
The Bank of Israel was the first to raise interest rates after the global recession began.[105] It increased rates in August 2009.[105]
On October 6, 2009, Australia became the first G20 country to raise its main interest rate, with the Reserve Bank of Australia moving rates up from 3.00% to 3.25%.[106]
The Norges Bank of Norway and the Reserve Bank of India raised interest rates in March 2010.[107]
[edit]Countries in economic recession or depression
Main article: Timeline of the Great Recession
Many countries experienced recession in 2008.[108]
Denmark went into recession in the first quarter of 2008, but came out again in the second quarter.[109] Iceland fell into an economic depression in 2008 following the collapse of its banking system. (see 2008–2012 Icelandic financial crisis) By mid-2012 Iceland is regarded as one of Europe’s recovery success stories largely as a result of a currency devaluation that has effectively reduced wages by 50%–making exports more competitive.[110]
The following countries went into recession in the second quarter of 2008: Greece, Estonia,[111] Latvia,[112] Ireland[113] and New Zealand.[114]
The following countries/territories went into recession in the third quarter of 2008: Japan,[115] Sweden,[116] Hong Kong,[117] Singapore,[118] Italy,[119] Turkey[108] and Germany.[120] As a whole the fifteen nations in the European Union that use the Euro went into recession in the third quarter,[121] and the United Kingdom. In addition, the European Union, the G7, and the OECD all experienced negative growth in the third quarter.[108]
The following countries/territories went into technical recession in the fourth quarter of 2008: United States, Switzerland,[122] Spain,[123] and Taiwan.[124]
South Korea “miraculously” avoided recession with GDP returning positive at a 0.1% expansion in the first quarter of 2009.[125]
Of the seven largest economies in the world by GDP, only China and France avoided a recession in 2008. France experienced a 0.3% contraction in Q2 and 0.1% growth in Q3 of 2008. In the year to the third quarter of 2008 China grew by 9%. Until recently Chinese officials considered 8% GDP growth to be required simply to create enough jobs for rural people moving to urban centres.[126] This figure may more accurately be considered to be 5–7% now that the main growth in working population is receding. Growth of between 5%–8% could well have the type of effect in China that a recession has elsewhere. Ukraine went into technical depression in January 2009 with a nominal annualized GDP growth of −20%.[127]
Japan was in recovery in the middle of the decade 2000s but slipped back into recession and deflation in 2008.[128] The recession in Japan intensified in the fourth quarter of 2008 with a nominal annualized GDP growth of −12.7%,[129] and deepened further in the first quarter of 2009 with a nominal annualized GDP growth of −15.2%.[130]
[edit]Official forecasts
Wikinews has related news: US Fed chairman Bernanke says recession could end this year
On March 2009, U.S. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said in an interview that he felt that if banks began lending more freely, allowing the financial markets to return to normal, the recession could end during 2009.[18][131] In that same interview, Bernanke said Green shoots of economic revival are already evident.[132] On February 18, 2009, the US Federal Reserve cut their economic forecast of 2009, expecting the U.S. output to shrink between 0.5% and 1.5%, down from its forecast in October 2008 of output between +1.1% (growth) and −0.2% (contraction).[133]
The EU commission in Brussels updated their earlier predictions on January 19, 2009, expecting Germany to contract −2.25% and −1.8% on average for the 27 EU countries.[134] According to new forecasts by Deutsche Bank (end of November 2008), the economy of Germany will contract by more than 4% in 2009.[135]
On November 3, 2008, according to all newspapers, the European Commission in Brussels predicted for 2009 only an extremely low increase by 0.1% of the GDP, for the countries of the Euro zone (France, Germany, Italy, etc.).[136] They also predicted negative numbers for the UK (−1.0%), Ireland, Spain, and other countries of the EU. Three days later, the IMF at Washington, D.C., predicted for 2009 a worldwide decrease, −0.3%, of the same number, on average over the developed economies (−0.7% for the US, and −0.8% for Germany).[137] On April 22, 2009, the German ministers of finance and that of economy, in a common press conference, corrected again their numbers for 2009 downwards: this time the “prognosis” for Germany was a decrease of the GDP of at least −5%,[138] in agreement with a recent prediction of the IMF.[139]
On June 11, 2009, the World Bank Group predicted for 2009 for the first time a global contraction of the economic power, precisely by −3%.[140]
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Wow please again explain to me how this guy was telling the truth. This guy does not get thier was a lot that happened that got us in the deciet not all of it was Obama, also Obama was dealing with problems of the Bush economy aka two wars that were not payed for. Please keep showing how igorant you are to facts, you think a guy that gets owned by host is what truth telling is, wow, you show again that you hate facts and do not know what honesty is. Thanks for embarrassing yourself by posting a debunked video.
Keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and that you do not know what facts and honesty and journalism is. Know go to we are igorant about facts blog and let people talk baseball.
Sorry
Wow a video that is beyond stupid and shows that you have no idea what domestic terroism is. You show that you do not know what being human is. Occupy is not and never will be a terroism group.
This is what real domestic terroism is The Oklahoma City bombing was a terrorist bomb attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. It would remain the most destructive act of terrorism on American soil until the September 11, 2001 attacks. The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6,[1] and injured more than 680 people.[2] The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen-block radius, destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings.[3][4] The bomb was estimated to have caused at least $652 million worth of damage.[5] Extensive rescue efforts were undertaken by local, state, federal, and worldwide agencies in the wake of the bombing, and substantial donations were received from across the country. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) activated eleven of its Urban Search and Rescue Task Forces, consisting of 665 rescue workers who assisted in rescue and recovery operations.[6][7]
Within 90 minutes of the explosion, Timothy McVeigh was stopped by Oklahoma State Trooper Charlie Hanger for driving without a license plate and arrested for unlawfully carrying a weapon.[8][9] Forensic evidence quickly linked McVeigh and Terry Nichols to the attack; Nichols was arrested,[10] and within days both were charged. Michael and Lori Fortier were later identified as accomplices. McVeigh, an American militia movement sympathizer who was a Gulf War veteran, had detonated an explosive-filled Ryder rental truck parked in front of the building. McVeigh’s co-conspirator, Terry Nichols, had assisted in the bomb preparation. Motivated by his hatred of the federal government and angered by what he perceived as its mishandling of the Waco Siege (1993) and the Ruby Ridge incident (1992), McVeigh timed his attack to coincide with the second anniversary of the deadly fire that ended the siege at Waco.[11][12]
The official investigation, known as “OKBOMB”, was the largest criminal investigation case in American history; FBI agents conducted 28,000 interviews, amassing 3.5 short tons (3.2 t) of evidence, and collected nearly one billion pieces of information.[13][14][15] The bombers were tried and convicted in 1997. McVeigh was executed by lethal injection on June 11, 2001, and Nichols was sentenced to life in prison. Michael and Lori Fortier testified against McVeigh and Nichols; Michael was sentenced to 12 years in prison for failing to warn the U.S. government, and Lori received immunity from prosecution in exchange for her testimony. As with other large-scale terrorist attacks, conspiracy theories dispute the official claims and allege the involvement of additional perpetrators.
As a result of the bombing, the U.S. government passed the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which tightened the standards for habeas corpus in the United States,[16] as well as legislation designed to increase the protection around federal buildings to deter future terrorist attacks. On April 19, 2000, the Oklahoma City National Memorial was dedicated on the site of the Murrah Federal Building, commemorating the victims of the bombing. Annual remembrance services are held at the same time of day as the original explosion occurred.
Contents [hide]
1 Planning
1.1 Motivation
1.2 Target selection
1.3 Gathering materials
1.4 Building the bomb
2 Bombing
3 Arrests
4 Casualties
5 Response and relief
5.1 Rescue efforts
5.2 Humanitarian aid
5.3 Federal and state government aid
5.4 International reaction
5.5 Children affected
5.6 Media coverage
6 Trials and sentencing of the conspirators
6.1 Timothy McVeigh
6.2 Terry Nichols
6.3 Michael Fortier
6.4 Others
7 Aftermath
7.1 Legislation
7.1.1 Oklahoma School Curriculum
7.2 Building security and construction
7.3 Discussion of the nature of dissent
7.4 Conspiracy theories
8 Evacuation Issues
9 Memorial observances
9.1 Oklahoma City National Memorial
9.2 St. Joseph’s Old Cathedral
9.3 Remembrance observance
10 See also
11 References
12 Further reading
13 External links
[edit]Planning
[edit]Motivation
McVeigh and Nichols cited the federal government’s actions against the Branch Davidian compound in the 1993 Waco Siege (shown above) as a reason they perpetrated the Oklahoma City bombing.
The chief conspirators, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, met in 1988 at Fort Benning during basic training for the U.S. Army.[17] Michael Fortier, McVeigh’s accomplice, was his Army roommate.[18] The three shared interests in survivalism and opposed gun control.[19][20] They expressed anger at the federal government’s handling of the 1992 Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) standoff with Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge as well as the Waco Siege—a 1993 51-day standoff between the FBI and Branch Davidian members which began with a botched ATF attempt to execute a search warrant leading to a fire fight (it is unknown whether ATF agents or Branch Davidians fired the first shot) and ended with the burning and shooting deaths of David Koresh and 75 others.[21] In March 1993, McVeigh visited the Waco site during the standoff, and then again after its conclusion.[22] McVeigh later decided to bomb a federal building as a response to the raids.[12][23][24][25]
[edit]Target selection
Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building as it appeared before its destruction
McVeigh initially intended only to destroy a federal building, but he later decided that his message would be better received if many people were killed in the bombing.[26] McVeigh’s criterion for potential attack sites was that the target should house at least two of three federal law-enforcement agencies: the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), or the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). He regarded the presence of additional law-enforcement agencies, such as the Secret Service or the U.S. Marshals Service, as a bonus.[27]
McVeigh, a resident of Kingman, Arizona, considered targets in Missouri, Arizona, Texas, and Arkansas.[27] McVeigh stated in his authorized biography that he wanted to minimize nongovernmental casualties, so he ruled out a 40-story government building in Little Rock, Arkansas, because of the presence of a florist’s shop on the ground floor.[28] In December 1994, McVeigh and Fortier visited Oklahoma City to inspect their target: the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.[23] The Murrah building had been previously targeted in October 1983 by white supremacist group The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, including founder James Ellison and Richard Snell. The group had plotted to park “a van or trailer in front of the Federal Building and blow it up with rockets detonated by a timer.”[29] After Snell’s appeal for murdering two people in unrelated cases was denied, he was executed the same day as the Murrah bombing.[30]
The nine-story building, built in 1977, was named for a federal judge and housed fourteen federal agencies including the DEA, ATF, Social Security Administration, and recruiting offices for the Army and Marine Corps.[31] The Murrah building was chosen for its glass front—which was expected to shatter under the impact of the blast—and its adjacent large, open parking lot across the street, which might absorb and dissipate some of the force, and protect the occupants of nearby non-federal buildings.[28] In addition, McVeigh believed that the open space around the building would provide better photo opportunities for propaganda purposes.[28] The attack was planned to take place on April 19, 1995, to coincide with the anniversary of the Waco Siege and the 220th anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord.[32]
[edit]Gathering materials
“The truck rental — $250. The fertilizer was about… it was either $250 or $500. The nitro methane was the big cost. It was like $1,500. Actually, lemme see, 900, 2,700,… we’re talking $3,500 there… Lets round it up. I just gave you the major expenses, so go to like five grand… what’s five grand?”
—Timothy McVeigh, on the cost of the preparations[33]
McVeigh and Nichols purchased or stole the materials they needed to manufacture the bomb, which they stored in rented sheds. In August 1994, McVeigh obtained nine Kinestiks from gun collector Roger E. Moore, and ignited the devices with Nichols outside Nichols’ home in Herington, Kansas.[34][35] On September 30, 1994, Nichols bought forty 50-pound (23 kg) bags of ammonium nitrate from Mid-Kansas Coop in McPherson, Kansas, this would be enough to fertilize 4.25 acres of farmland at a rate of 160 pounds of nitrogen per acre; an amount commonly used for corn {2000 pounds of AN divided by (160 lb/acre divided by 0.34 lb N/lb AN) equals 4.25 acres}. Nichols bought an additional 50-pound (23 kg) bag on October 18, 1994.[23] McVeigh approached Fortier and asked him to assist with the bombing project, but he refused.[36][37]
They allegedly robbed gun collector Roger E. Moore in his home of $60,000 worth of guns, gold, silver, and jewels, transporting the property in the victim’s own van.[36] McVeigh had previously visited Moore’s ranch, but doubts have been raised about Nichols and McVeigh’s involvement in the robbery for several reasons. The robbers wore ski masks (making a positive identification impossible), and the physical description given did not match Nichols.[38] Also, Aryan Republican Army robbers were operating in the area of Moore’s ranch at the time.[39] McVeigh did not need to raise money for the bomb, which only cost about $5,000. In all, the truck rental cost about $250, the fertilizer less than $500, and the nitromethane $2,780, with a cheap car being used as a getaway vehicle.[40] McVeigh wrote a letter to Moore in which he claimed that the robbery had been committed by government agents.[41] Despite these doubts, items that were stolen from Moore were later found in Nichols’ home and in a storage shed that he had rented.[42][43]
In October 1994, McVeigh showed Michael Fortier and his wife, Lori, a diagram he had drawn of the bomb he wanted to build.[44] McVeigh planned to construct a bomb containing more than 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg) of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, mixed with about 1,200 pounds (540 kg) of liquid nitromethane and 350 pounds (160 kg) of Tovex. Including the weight of the sixteen 55-U.S.-gallon drums in which the explosive mixture was to be packed, the bomb would have a combined weight of about 7,000 pounds (3,200 kg).[45] McVeigh had originally intended to use hydrazine rocket fuel, but it proved to be too expensive.[36] In October 1994, posing as a motorcycle racer, McVeigh obtained three 55-U.S.-gallon (46 imp gal; 210 L) drums of nitromethane on the pretense that he and some fellow bikers needed the fuel for racing.[46]
McVeigh rented a storage space, in which he stockpiled seven crates of 18-inch-long Tovex sausages, 80 spools of shock tube, and 500 electric blasting caps, which he and Nichols had stolen from a Martin Marietta Aggregates quarry in Marion, Kansas. He decided not to steal any of the 40,000 pounds (18,000 kg) of ANFO (ammonium nitrate fuel oil) he found at the scene, as he did not believe it to be powerful enough (although he did obtain seventeen bags of ANFO from another source for use in the bomb). McVeigh made a prototype bomb using a plastic Gatorade jug containing ammonium nitrate prills, liquid nitromethane, a piece of Tovex sausage, and a blasting cap.[47] The prototype was detonated in the desert to avoid detection.[47]
“Think about the people as if they were storm troopers in Star Wars. They may be individually innocent, but they are guilty because they work for the Evil Empire.”
—McVeigh reflecting on the deaths of victims in the bombing[48]
Later, speaking about the military mindset with which he went about the preparations, he said, “You learn how to handle killing in the military. I face the consequences, but you learn to accept it.” He compared his actions to the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, rather than the attack on Pearl Harbor, reasoning it was necessary to prevent more lives from being lost.[48]
On April 14, 1995, McVeigh paid for a motel room at the Dreamland Motel in Junction City, Kansas.[49] The following day he rented a 1993 Ford F-700 truck from Ryder under the name Robert D. Kling, an alias he adopted because he knew an Army soldier named Kling with whom he shared physical characteristics, and because it reminded him of the Klingon warriors of Star Trek.[49][50][51] On April 16, 1995, he drove to Oklahoma City with fellow conspirator Terry Nichols where he parked a getaway car several blocks away from the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.[52] The nearby Regency Towers Apartments’ lobby security camera recorded images of Nichols’ pickup truck as it drove to the federal building.[53] After removing the license plate from the car, he left a note covering the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) plate that read, “Not abandoned. Please do not tow. Will move by April 23. (Needs battery & cable).”[23][54] Both men then returned to Kansas.
[edit]Building the bomb
On April 17–18, 1995, McVeigh and Nichols removed their supplies from their storage unit in Herington, Kansas, where Nichols lived. They loaded their bomb supplies into a Ryder rental truck.[55] The two then drove to Geary Lake State Park, where they nailed boards onto the floor of the truck to hold the thirteen barrels in place and mixed the chemicals using plastic buckets and a bathroom scale.[56] Each filled barrel weighed nearly 500 pounds (230 kg).[57] McVeigh added more explosives to the driver’s side of the cargo bay, which he could ignite (killing himself in the process) at close range with his Glock 21 pistol in case the primary fuses failed.[58] During McVeigh’s trial, Lori Fortier (the wife of Michael Fortier) stated that McVeigh claimed to have arranged the barrels in order to form a shaped charge.[44] This was achieved by tamping the aluminum side panel of the truck with bags of ammonium nitrate fertilizer to direct the blast laterally towards the building.[59] Specifically, McVeigh arranged the barrels in the shape of a backwards J; he later said that for pure destructive power, he would have put the barrels on the side of the cargo bay closest to the Murrah Building; however, such an unevenly distributed 7,000-pound (3,200 kg) load might have broken an axle, flipped the truck over, or at least caused it to lean to one side, which could have drawn attention.[57]
McVeigh then added a dual-fuse ignition system accessible from the truck’s front cab. He drilled two holes in the cab of the truck under the seat, while two holes were also drilled in the body of the truck. One green cannon fuse was run through each hole into the cab. These time-delayed fuses led from the cab of the truck, through plastic fish-tank tubing conduit, to two sets of non-electric blasting caps which would ignite around 350 pounds of high grade explosives that McVeigh stole from a rock quarry.[57] The tubing was painted yellow to blend in with the truck’s livery, and duct-taped in place to the wall to make them harder to disable by yanking from the outside.[57] The fuses were set up to initiate, through shock tubes, the 350 pounds (160 kg) of Tovex Blastrite Gel “sausages”, which would in turn set off the configuration of barrels. Of the thirteen filled barrels, nine contained ammonium nitrate and nitromethane, and four contained a mixture of the fertilizer and about 4-U.S.-gallon (3.3 imp gal; 15 L) of diesel fuel.[57] Additional materials and tools used for manufacturing the bomb were left in the truck to be destroyed in the blast.[57] After finishing the truck bomb, the two men separated; Nichols returned home to Herington and McVeigh with the truck to Junction City.
[edit]Bombing
McVeigh’s movement in the Ryder truck (red dashed line) and escape on foot (blue dashed line) on the day of the bombing
An aerial view, looking from the north, of the destruction
McVeigh’s original plan had been to detonate the bomb at 11:00 am CST, but at dawn on April 19, 1995, he decided instead to destroy the building at 9:00 am CST.[60] As he drove toward the Murrah Federal Building in the Ryder truck, McVeigh carried with him an envelope containing pages from The Turner Diaries—a fictional account of white supremacists who ignite a revolution by blowing up the FBI headquarters at 9:15 one morning using a truck bomb.[23] McVeigh wore a printed T-shirt with the motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia, Sic semper tyrannis (“Thus always to tyrants”, which was shouted by John Wilkes Booth immediately after the assassination of Abraham Lincoln) and “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” (from Thomas Jefferson).[32] He also carried an envelope of anti-government materials that included a bumper sticker with Thomas Jefferson slogan, “When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” Underneath, McVeigh had scrawled, “Maybe now, there will be liberty!” and a hand-copied quote by John Locke asserting that a man has a right to kill someone who takes away his liberty.[23][61]
McVeigh entered Oklahoma City at 8:50 am CST.[62] At 8:57 am CST the Regency Towers Apartments’ lobby security camera that had recorded Nichols’ pickup truck three days earlier recorded the Ryder truck heading towards the Murrah Federal Building.[63] At the same moment, McVeigh lit the five-minute fuse. Three minutes later, still a block away, he lit the two-minute fuse. He parked the Ryder truck in a drop-off zone situated under the building’s day-care center, exited and locked the truck, and as he headed to his getaway vehicle, dropped the keys to the truck a few blocks away.[64]
At 9:02 am CST, the Ryder truck, containing in excess of 4,800 pounds (2,200 kg)[65] of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, nitromethane, and diesel fuel mixture, detonated in front of the north side of the nine-story Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.[44] Hundreds of people were killed or injured. One third of the building was destroyed by the explosion,[66] which created a 30-foot (9.1 m) wide, 8-foot (2.4 m) deep crater on NW 5th Street next to the building.[67] The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen-block radius, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings.[3][4] The broken glass alone accounted for 5% of the death total and 69% of the injuries outside the Murrah Federal Building.[4] The blast destroyed or burned 86 cars around the site.[3][68] The destruction of the buildings left several hundred people homeless and shut down multiple offices in downtown Oklahoma City.[69] The explosion was estimated to have caused at least $652 million worth of damage.[70]
The effects of the blast were equivalent to over 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg) of TNT,[59][71] and could be heard and felt up to 55 miles (89 km) away.[69] Seismometers at Science Museum Oklahoma in Oklahoma City, 4.3 miles (6.9 km) away, and in Norman, Oklahoma, 16.1 miles (25.9 km) away, recorded the blast as measuring approximately 3.0 on the Richter scale.[72]
[edit]Arrests
Initially, the FBI had three hypotheses regarding who might have been responsible for the bombing. The first was international terrorists, possibly the same group that had carried out the World Trade Center bombing two years earlier. The FBI also thought that a drug cartel might have been carrying out an act of vengeance against DEA agents as the building held a DEA office. The last hypothesis was that the bombing was done by Christian fascists acting on conspiracy theories.[73]
Sketch used by the FBI (left) and McVeigh (right)
McVeigh was arrested within 90 minutes of the explosion,[74] as he was traveling north on Interstate 35 near Perry in Noble County, Oklahoma. Oklahoma State Trooper Charlie Hanger stopped McVeigh for driving his yellow 1977 Mercury Marquis without a license plate, and arrested him for having a concealed weapon.[8][75] For his home address, McVeigh falsely claimed he resided at Terry Nichols’ brother James’ house in Michigan.[76] After booking McVeigh, Hanger searched his police car and found a business card McVeigh had hidden while he was handcuffed.[77] Written on the back of the card, which was from a Wisconsin military surplus store, were the words “TNT at $5 a stick. Need more.”[78] The card was later used as evidence during McVeigh’s trial.[78]
While investigating the VIN from an axle of the truck used in the explosion and the remnants of the license plate, federal agents were able to link the truck to a specific Ryder rental agency in Junction City. Using a sketch created with the assistance of Eldon Elliot, owner of the agency, the agents were able to implicate McVeigh in the bombing.[13][23][79] McVeigh was also identified by Lea McGown of the Dreamland Motel, who remembered him parking a large yellow Ryder truck in the lot; McVeigh had signed in under his real name at the motel, using an address that matched the one on his forged license and the charge sheet at the Perry Police Station.[9][23] Before signing his real name at the motel, McVeigh had used false names for his transactions. However, McGown noted, “People are so used to signing their own name that when they go to sign a phony name, they almost always go to write, and then look up for a moment as if to remember the new name they want to use. That’s what [McVeigh] did, and when he looked up I started talking to him, and it threw him.”[23]
McVeigh about to exit the Perry, Oklahoma, courthouse on April 21, 1995
After an April 21, 1995, court hearing on the gun charges, but before McVeigh’s release, federal agents took him into custody as they continued their investigation into the bombing.[23] Rather than talk to investigators about the bombing, McVeigh demanded an attorney. Having been tipped off by the arrival of police and helicopters that a bombing suspect was inside, a restless crowd began to gather outside the jail. McVeigh’s requests for a bulletproof vest or transport by helicopter were denied.[80]
Federal agents obtained a warrant to search the house of McVeigh’s father, Bill, following which they broke down the door and wired the house and telephone with listening devices.[81] FBI investigators used the resulting information gained, along with the fake address McVeigh had been using, to begin their search for the Nichols brothers, Terry and James.[76] On April 21, 1995, Terry learned that he was being hunted, and turned himself in.[10] Investigators discovered incriminating evidence at his home: ammonium nitrate and blasting caps, the electric drill used to drill out the locks at the quarry, books on bomb-making, a copy of Hunter (a 1989 novel by William Luther Pierce, the founder and chairman of the white nationalist National Alliance) and a hand-drawn map of downtown Oklahoma City, on which was marked the Murrah Building and the spot where McVeigh’s getaway car was hidden.[82][83] After a nine-hour interrogation, Terry Nichols was formally held in federal custody until his trial.[84] On April 25, 1995, James Nichols was also arrested, but he was released after 32 days due to lack of evidence.[85] McVeigh’s sister Jennifer was accused of illegally mailing bullets to McVeigh,[86] but she was granted immunity in exchange for testifying against him.[87]
Ibrahim Ahmad, a Jordanian-American traveling from his home in Oklahoma City to visit family in Jordan on April 19, 1995, was also arrested in what was described as an “initial dragnet.” There was concern that Middle Eastern terrorists could have been behind the attack. Further investigation cleared Ahmad of any involvement in the bombing.[88][89]
[edit]Casualties
Floor-by-floor diagram detailing the location of the victims in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.
It is estimated that 646 people were inside the building when the bomb exploded.[90] By the end of the day of the bombing, twenty were confirmed dead, including six children, and over one hundred injured.[91] The toll eventually reached 168 confirmed dead, not including an unmatched leg that could have belonged to a possible, unidentified 169th victim.[92] Most of the deaths resulted from the collapse of the building, rather than the bomb blast itself.[93] Those killed included 163 who were in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, one person in the Athenian Building, one woman in a parking lot across the street, a man and woman in the Oklahoma Water Resources building, and a rescue worker struck on the head by debris.[94]
The victims, including three pregnant women, ranged in age from three months to seventy-three years.[1][94] Of the dead, 99 worked for the federal government.[95] Eight of the victims were federal law enforcement agents; four from the United States Secret Service, two from the United States Customs Service, one from the United States Drug Enforcement Administration, and one from the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development. Nineteen of the victims were children, fifteen of whom were in the America’s Kids Day Care Center.[96] The bodies of the 168 victims were identified at a temporary morgue set up at the scene.[97] A team of 24 identified the victims using full-body X-rays, dental examinations, fingerprinting, blood tests, and DNA testing.[95][98][99] More than 680 people were injured. The majority of the injuries were abrasions, severe burns, and bone fractures.[2]
McVeigh later justified his killing of children in the bombing: “I didn’t define the rules of engagement in this conflict. The rules, if not written down, are defined by the aggressor. It was brutal, no holds barred. Women and kids were killed at Waco and Ruby Ridge. You put back in [the government's] faces exactly what they’re giving out.”[100]
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Here is what Occupy is was the name given to a protest movement that began on September 17, 2011, in Zuccotti Park, located in New York City’s Wall Street financial district.
The Canadian group and magazine Adbusters initiated the call for protest with assistance from the Manhattan-based public relations firm Workhorse, who was well known for its successful work on client brands including Mercedes and Saks Fifth Avenue. The ensuing series of events helped lead to media awareness that inspired Occupy protests and movements around the world. In awarding Workhorse its Platinum Award, industry publication PRNews noted “The results, obviously, have been spectacular. There’s hardly a newspaper, Internet or broadcast media outlet that hasn’t covered OWS.”[7]
The main issues raised by Occupy Wall Street were social and economic inequality, greed, corruption and the perceived undue influence of corporations on government—particularly from the financial services sector. The OWS slogan, We are the 99%, refers to income inequality and wealth distribution in the U.S. between the wealthiest 1% and the rest of the population. To achieve their goals, protesters acted on consensus-based decisions made in general assemblies which emphasized direct action over petitioning authorities for redress.[8][nb 1]
Protesters were forced out of Zuccotti Park on November 15, 2011. After several unsuccessful attempts to re-occupy the original location, protesters turned their focus to occupying banks, corporate headquarters, board meetings, college and university campuses.
On December 29, 2012 Naomi Wolf of The Guardian newspaper provided U.S. Government documents which revealed that the FBI and DHS had monitored Occupy Wall Street through its joint terrorism task force despite labelling it a peaceful movement.[9]
Contents [hide]
1 Origins
2 Overview
2.1 “We are the 99%”
2.2 Income inequality
2.3 Goals
2.4 Protester demographics
2.5 Main organization
2.6 Funding
2.7 The People’s Library
3 Zuccotti Park encampment
4 Security, crime and legal issues
4.1 Brooklyn Bridge arrests
4.2 Court cases
5 Notable responses
6 See also
7 Notes
8 References
9 Further reading
10 External links
[edit]Origins
The original protest was initiated by Kalle Lasn and Micah White of Adbusters, a Canadian anti-consumerist publication, who conceived of a September 17 occupation in lower Manhattan. Lasn registered the OccupyWallStreet.org web address on June 9.[10] That same month, Adbusters emailed its subscribers saying “America needs its own Tahrir.” White said the reception of the idea “snowballed from there.”[10][11] In a blog post on July 13 of 2011,[12] Adbusters proposed a peaceful occupation of Wall Street to protest corporate influence on democracy, the lack of legal consequences for those who brought about the global crisis of monetary insolvency, and an increasing disparity in wealth.[11] The protest was promoted with an image featuring a dancer atop Wall Street’s iconic Charging Bull statue.[13][14][15]
However, they weren’t the first ones. In 2008, when the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 was passed, numerous people from across the political spectrum went out on the streets and protested, starting on September 25, 2008. Groups such as Democracy for America, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, labor unions like the AFL-CIO and United Federation of Teachers were involved in the protests.[16] However, TrueMajority members and those that were part of USAction organized the protests in what started as 100 places on September 26, but eventually spread to over 251 places nationwide by September 28 ranging from Los Angeles to Rochester [16][17][18][19][20] By October, the movement opposing the bailout had spread to cities ranging from Rochester, Detroit, Los Angeles, Buffalo, Baltimore, Charlotte, Raleigh, Philadelphia, Boston, San Diego and Tampa Bay[21][22] In a news story, CNN wrote that organizers remarked that those protesting had “no agenda, no leaders, no organizing group” but to make the financial services companies pay.[16] While a protest was planned in Washington D.C., activists planned others such as protesting in front of the headquarters of AIG in Hartford, Connecticut. In a conversation of Democracy Now!, a reporter and editor of the New York Indypendent Newspaper Arun Gupta described the bailout as “a financial September 11th…and…[an] extreme power grab that would give these huge sweeping new powers to the Treasury Department” which was sent out was an email to “about 150 activists, organizers and media folks…in New York City…and it just exploded…resulting in actions against the bailout…being endorsed and…forwarded by True Majority, Code Pink, United for Peace and Justice.”[18] Gupta continued, noting that “all over the country now, there are going to be protests in various financial centers” and his call for people to “self-organize” was successful. Ralph Nader noted later in the show that the protests were “leaderless” but recommended that it be “more than just a rally of protests,” that it “demand something” and “be focused.” The Real News Network reported that “the largest gathering took place in New York City where several hundred protesters yelled their enthusiastic support [against the bailout]” where people yelled “the bailout is bullsh*t!” along with one person with a drum. Some protesting carried signs reading “No Blank Checks For Wall Street”, “Our Hard-Earned Pensions Are Not Up For Grabs”, “Tax the rich,” and “No Bail-out and others “repeated calls for the government to spend money on education, health care and housing as freely and readily as it was proposing to do for Wall Street” and others shouted “No more bail, send them [the bankers] to jail!”[23][24] The Los Angeles Times wrote that there was over 1,000 protesting in front of the New York Stock Exchange in September 2008, calling the bailout a “class war crime.”[25]
The second group’s connection is debated among observers and others. Some have even argued that the Tea Party Movement was born out the populist anger against the bailout like Fox Business News since those involved were protesting the bailouts under Barack Obama starting in February 2009 and that “Tea Party-backed candidates…unified in their disgust for excessive government spending in general and taxpayer-backed bailouts in particular, not least those targeting big banks.” [26][27] This is in addition to the fact that the movement was started a populist “organizing against President Barack Obama’s proposed $750 billion stimulus package” and which ended up morphing into protests “against the stimulus package, the bank bailouts, and health-care legislation” including the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and the continuing bailouts of Big Business[28][29][30] However, over time, the movement quickly devolved from its origins, began to decline and began to focus on electing candidates instead of engaging in direct action.[31][32]
Even with this history, numerous blogs, videos and other sources argue that investigative reporter David DeGraw was the founder of 99% movement, which was the precursor to Occupy Wall Street.[33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42] One article on alternet even claims that DeGraw is “widely claimed as the originator for “we are the 99%.”[43] David G Mattichak Jr, of Moot Magazine affirmed this in his article, crediting DeGraw with launching “the 99% movement” which originally was “aimed at very specific objectives outlined by DeGraw…[including] …the…seminal message of the evils of central banking and its demands for the Federal Reserve to be dismantled.”[44] Then in an unrelated incident, a group called New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts (NYAB) was formed, which promoted a “sleep in” in lower Manhattan called “Bloombergville,” in July 2011, preceding OWS, and provided a number of activists to begin organising.[45][46] Activist, anarchist and anthropologist David Graeber and several of his associates attended the NYAB general assembly but, disappointed that the event was intended to be a precursor to marching on Wall Street with predetermined demands, Graeber and his small group created their own general assembly, which eventually developed into the New York General Assembly. The group began holding weekly meetings to work out issues and the movement’s direction, such as whether or not to have a set of demands, forming working groups and whether or not to have leaders.[10][47][48][nb 2] The Internet group Anonymous created a video encouraging its supporters to take part in the protests.[49] The U.S. Day of Rage, a group that organized to protest “corporate influence [that] corrupts our political parties, our elections, and the institutions of government,” also joined the movement.[50][51] The protest itself began on September 17; a Facebook page for the demonstrations began two days later on September 19 featuring a YouTube video of earlier events. By mid-October, Facebook listed 125 Occupy-related pages.[52]
The original location for the protest was One Chase Manhattan Plaza, with Bowling Green Park (the site of the “Charging Bull”) and Zuccotti Park as alternate choices. Police discovered this before the protest began and fenced off two locations; but they left Zuccotti Park, the group’s third choice, open. Since the park was private property, police could not legally force protesters to leave without being requested to do so by the property owner.[53][54] At a press conference held the same day the protests began, New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg explained, “people have a right to protest, and if they want to protest, we’ll be happy to make sure they have locations to do it.”[51]
Because of its connection to the financial system, lower Manhattan has seen many riots and protests since the 1800s,[55] and OWS has been compared to other historical protests in the United States.[56] Commentators have put OWS within the political tradition of other movements that made themselves known by occupation of public spaces, such as Coxey’s Army in 1894, the Bonus Marchers in 1932, and the May Day protesters in 1971.[57][58]
More recent prototypes for OWS include the British student protests of 2010, 2009-2010 Iranian election protests, the Arab Spring protests,[59] and, more closely related, protests in Greece and Spain. These antecedents have in common with OWS a reliance on social media and electronic messaging, as well as the belief that financial institutions, corporations, and the political elite have been malfeasant in their behavior toward youth and the middle class.[60][61] Occupy Wall Street, in turn, gave rise to the Occupy movement in the United States.[62][63][64] David Graeber has argued that the Occupy movement, in its anti-hierarchical and anti-authoritarian consensus-based politics, its refusal to accept the legitimacy of the existing legal and political order, and its embrace of prefigurative politics, has roots in an anarchist political tradition.[65] Sociologist Dana Williams has likewise argued that “the most immediate inspiration for Occupy is anarchism,” and the LA Times has identified the “controversial, anarchist-inspired organizational style” as one of the hallmarks of OWS.[66][67]
[edit]Overview
[edit]“We are the 99%”
Main article: We are the 99%
The Occupy protesters’ slogan “We are the 99%” refers to the protester’s perceptions of, and attitudes regarding, income disparity in the US, which has been a main issue for OWS. It derives from a “We the 99%” flyer calling for OWS’s second General Assembly in August 2011. The variation “We are the 99%” originated from a tumblr page of the same name.[68][69] Huffington Post reporter Paul Taylor said the slogan is “arguably the most successful slogan since ‘Hell no, we won’t go!’” of the Vietnam War era, and that the majority of Democrats, independents and Republicans see the income gap as causing social friction.[68] The slogan was boosted by statistics which were confirmed by a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report released in October 2011.[70]
[edit]Income inequality
A chart showing the disparity in income distribution in the United States.[71][72] Wealth inequality and income inequality have been central concerns among OWS protesters.[73][74][75]
Income inequality is a focal point of the Occupy Wall Street protests,[76][77][78] as it had risen to the levels not seen since the Great Depression.[79] The focus on income inequality by the movement was studied by Arindajit Dube and Ethan Kaplan of the University of Massachusetts Amherst, who noted that “inequality in the U.S. has risen dramatically over the past 40 years. So it is not too surprising to witness the rise of a social movement focused on redistribution…Greater inequality may reflect as well as exacerbate factors that make it relatively more difficult for lower-income individuals to mobilize on behalf of their interests…Yet, even the economic crisis of 2007 did not initially produce a left social movement…Only after it became increasingly clear that the political process was unable to enact serious reforms to address the causes or consequences of the economic crisis did we see the emergence of the OWS movement…Overall, a focus on the 1 percent concentrates attention on the aspect of inequality most clearly tied to the distribution of income between labor and capital…We think OWS has already begun to influence the public policy making process.”[80][citation needed] An article on the same subject published in Salon Magazine by Natasha Leonard noted “Occupy has been central to driving media stories about income inequality in America. Late last week, Radio Dispatch’s John Knefel compiled a report for media watchdog Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), which illustrates Occupy’s success: Media focus on the movement in the past half year, according to the report, has been almost directly proportional to the attention paid to income inequality and corporate greed by mainstream outlets. During peak media coverage of the movement last October, mentions of the term “income inequality” increased “fourfold”…tokens of Occupy rhetoric — most notably the idea of a “99 percent” against a “1 percent” — has seeped into everyday cultural parlance.”[81] As income inequality remained on people’s minds, Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney said such a focus was about envy and class warfare.[82]
[edit]Goals
OWS’s goals include a reduction in the influence of corporations on politics,[83] more balanced distribution of income,[83] more and better jobs,[83] bank reform[64] (especially to curtail speculative trading by banks), forgiveness of student loan debt[83][84] or other relief for indebted students,[85][86] and alleviation of the foreclosure situation.[87] Some media label the protests “anti-capitalist”,[88] while others dispute the relevance of this label.[89] Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times noted “while alarmists seem to think that the movement is a ‘mob’ trying to overthrow capitalism, one can make a case that, on the contrary, it highlights the need to restore basic capitalist principles like accountability.”[90] Rolling Stone writer Matt Taibbi asserted, “These people aren’t protesting money. They’re not protesting banking. They’re protesting corruption on Wall Street.”[91] In contradiction to such views, academic Slavoj Zizek wrote, “capitalism is now clearly re-emerging as the name of the problem.”[92]
Some protestors have favored a fairly concrete set of national policy proposals.[93][94] One OWS group that favored specific demands created a document entitled the 99 Percent Declaration,[95] but this was regarded as an attempt to “co-opt” the “Occupy” name,[96] and the document and group were rejected by the General Assemblies of Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Philadelphia.[96] However others, such as those who issued the Liberty Square Blueprint, are opposed to setting demands, saying they would limit the movement by implying conditions and limiting the duration of the movement.[97] David Graeber, an OWS participant, has also criticized the idea that the movement must have clearly defined demands, arguing that it would be a counterproductive legitimization of the very power structures the movement seeks to challenge.[98] In a similar vein, scholar and activist Judith Butler has challenged the assertion that OWS should make concrete demands: “So what are the demands that all these people are making? Either they say there are no demands and that leaves your critics confused. Or they say that demands for social equality, that demands for economic justice are impossible demands and impossible demands are just not practical. But we disagree. If hope is an impossible demand then we demand the impossible.”[99]
[edit]Protester demographics
Protestors march up Wall Street towards the New York Stock Exchange, November 2011.
Early on the protesters were mostly young, partly because social networks through which they promoted the protests are primarily used by young people.[100][101] As the protest grew, older protesters also became involved.[102] The average age of the protesters was 33, with people in their 20s balanced by people in their 40s.[103] Various religious faiths have been represented at the protest including Muslims, Jews, and Christians.[104] Rabbi Chaim Gruber,[105] however, is reportedly the only clergy member to have actually camped at Zuccotti Park.[106][107][108] The Associated Press reported in October that there was “diversity of age, gender and race” at the protest.[102] A study based on survey responses at OccupyWallSt.org reported that the protesters were 81.2% White, 6.8% Hispanic, 2.8% Asian, 1.6% Black, and 7.6% identifying as “other”.[109][110]
According to a survey of occupywallst.org website visitors[111] by the Baruch College School of Public Affairs published on October 19, of 1,619 web respondents, one-third were older than 35, half were employed full-time, 13% were unemployed and 13% earned over $75,000. When given the option of identifying themselves as Democrat, Republican or Independent/Other 27.3% of the respondents called themselves Democrats, 2.4% called themselves Republicans, while the rest, 70%, called themselves independents.[112] A survey of 301 respondents by a Fordham University political science professor identified the protester’s political affiliations as 25% Democrat, 2% Republican, 11% Socialist, 11% Green Party, 0% Tea Party, and 12% “Other”; meanwhile, 39% of the respondents said they did not identify with any political party.[113] Ideologically the Fordham survey found 80% self-identifying as slightly to extremely liberal, 15% as moderate, and 6% as slightly to extremely conservative.[113]
A study released by City University of New York found that over a third of protestors had incomes over $100,000, 76 percent had bachelor’s degrees, and 39 percent had graduate degrees. While a large percent of them were employed, they largely reported they were “unconstrained by highly demanding family or work commitments”. The study also found that they disproportionally represented upper-class, highly educated white males.[114][115] Said one of the authors of the study, Ruth Milkman, “It’s a pretty affluent demographic and highly educated. Many were the children of the elite, if you will.”[116]
[edit]Main organization
Protesters engaging in the ‘human microphone’
The assembly is the main OWS decision-making body and uses a modified consensus process, where participants attempt to reach consensus and then drop to a 9/10 vote if consensus is not reached. Consensus is a process of common sentiment. It is not agreement. Participants are given room for dissent and complex ideas are able to form. The process has been used in many indigenous traditions, Quaker practices, the women’s liberation movement, anti-nuclear movement, and alter-globalization movement. In the assembly OWS working groups and affinity groups discuss their thoughts and needs, and the meetings are open to the public for both attendance and speaking.[117] The meetings are without formal leadership. Meeting participants comment upon committee proposals using a process called a “stack”, which is a queue of speakers that anyone can join. New York uses what is called a progressive stack, in which people from marginalized groups are sometimes allowed to speak before people from dominant groups. Facilitators and “stack-keepers” urge speakers to “step forward, or step back” based on which group they belong to, meaning that women and minorities may move to the front of the line, while white men must often wait for a turn to speak.[118][119] Participants take minutes of the meetings so that other participants, who are not in attendance, can be kept up-to-date.[120][121] In addition to the over 70 working groups[122] that perform much of the daily work and planning of Occupy Wall Street, the organizational structure also includes “spokes councils,” at which every working group can participate.[123]
Even with the perception of a movement with no leaders, leaders have emerged. A facilitator of some of the movement’s more contentious discussions, Nicole Carty, says “Usually when we think of leadership, we think of authority, but nobody has authority here,” – “People lead by example, stepping up when they need to and stepping back when they need to.”[124] According to Fordham University communications professor Paul Levinson, Occupy Wall Street and similar movements symbolize another rise of direct democracy that has not actually been seen since ancient times.[125][126]
[edit]Funding
During the beginning weeks of the park encampment it was reported that most of OWS funding was coming from donors with incomes in the $50,000 to $100,000 range, and the median donation was $22.[103] According to finance group member Pete Dutro, OWS had accumulated over $700,000.[127] The largest single donor to the movement was former New York Mercantile Exchange vice chairman Robert Halper, who was noted by media as having also given the maximum allowable campaign contribution to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.[128] During the period that protesters were encamped in the park the funds were being used to purchase food and other necessities and to bail out fellow protesters. With the closure of the park to overnight camping on November 15, members of the OWS finance committee stated they would initiate a process to streamline the movement and re-evaluate their budget and eliminate or merge some of the “working groups” they no longer needed on a day-to-day basis.[129][130]
Met with increasing costs and significant overhead expenses in order to sustain the movement, an internal audit from the fiscal management team known as the “accounting working group” revealed on March 2, 2012, that only $44,000 of the several hundred thousand dollars raised still remained available. The report warned that if current revenues and expenses were maintained at current levels, then funds would run out in three weeks.[131][132] Some of the movement’s biggest costs include ground-level activities such as food kitchens, street medics, bus tickets, subway passes, and printing expenses.[133][134] In late February 2012 it was reported that a group of business leaders including Ben Cohen, Jerry Greenfield, Danny Goldberg, Norman Lear, and Terri Gardner[135] created a new working group, the Movement Resource Group, and with it have pledged $300,000 with plans to add $1,500,000 more.[136][137] The money would be made available in the form of grants of up to $25,000 for eligible recipients.
[edit]The People’s Library
Main article: The People’s Library
Writers Jennifer Egan, Lynn Nottage and Jonathan Lethem giving a reading at the library on November 7, 2011
The People’s Library at Occupy Wall Street was started a few days after the protest when a pile of books was left in a cardboard box at Zuccotti Park. The books were passed around and organized, and as time passed, it received additional books and resources from readers, private citizens, authors and corporations.[138] As of November 2011 the library had 5,554 books cataloged in LibraryThing and its collection was described as including some rare or unique articles of historical interest.[139] According to American Libraries, the library’s collection had “thousands of circulating volumes,” which included “holy books of every faith, books reflecting the entire political spectrum, and works for all ages on a huge range of topics.”[138] Following the example of the OWS People’s Library, protestors throughout North America and Europe formed sister libraries at their encampments.[140]
[edit]Zuccotti Park encampment
Main article: Timeline of Occupy Wall Street
Encampment at Zuccotti Park and ‘People’s Library’ with over 5,000 books, wi-fi internet, and a reference service, often staffed by professional librarians, procuring material through the interlibrary loan system.
Prior to being closed to overnight use and during the occupation of the space, somewhere between 100 and 200 people slept in Zuccotti Park. Initially tents were not allowed and protesters slept in sleeping bags or under blankets.[141] Meal service started at a total cost of about $1,000 per day. While some visitors ate at nearby restaurants, according to the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post many businesses surrounding the park were adversely affected.[142][143][144] Contribution boxes collected about $5,000 a day, and supplies came in from around the country.[142] Eric Smith, a local chef who was laid off at the Sheraton in Midtown, said that he was running a five-star restaurant in the park.[145] In late October kitchen volunteers complained about working 18-hour days to feed people who were not part of the movement and served only brown rice, simple sandwiches, and potato chips for three days.[146]
Many protesters used the bathrooms of nearby business establishments. Some supporters donated use of their bathrooms for showers and the sanitary needs of protesters.[147]
New York City requires a permit to use “amplified sound,” including electric bullhorns. Since Occupy Wall Street did not have a permit, the protesters created the “human microphone” in which a speaker pauses while the nearby members of the audience repeat the phrase in unison. The effect has been called “comic or exhilarating—often all at once.” Some feel this provided a further unifying effect for the crowd.[148][149]
During the weeks that overnight use of the park was allowed, a separate area was set aside for an information area which contained laptop computers and several wireless routers.[150][151] The items were powered with gas generators until the New York City Fire Department removed them on October 28, saying they were a fire hazard.[152] Protesters then used bicycles rigged with an electricity-generating apparatus to charge batteries to power the protesters’ laptops and other electronics.[153] According to the Columbia Journalism Review’s New Frontier Database, the media team, while unofficial, ran websites like Occupytogether.org, video livestream, a “steady flow of updates on Twitter, and Tumblr” as well as Skype sessions with other demonstrators.[154]
Zuccotti Park, cleared and cleaned on November 15, 2011
On October 6, Brookfield Office Properties, which owns Zuccotti Park, issued a statement saying: “Sanitation is a growing concern… Normally the park is cleaned and inspected every weeknight [but] because the protesters refuse to cooperate … the park has not been cleaned since Friday, September 16 and as a result, sanitary conditions have reached unacceptable levels.”[155][156]
On October 13, New York City’s mayor Bloomberg and Brookfield announced that the park must be vacated for cleaning the following morning at 7 am.[157] However, protesters vowed to “defend the occupation” after police said they wouldn’t allow them to return with sleeping bags and other gear following the cleaning, and many protesters spent the night sweeping and mopping the park.[158][159] The next morning the property owner postponed its cleaning effort.[158] Having prepared for a confrontation with the authorities to prevent the cleaning effort from proceeding, some protesters clashed with police in riot gear outside City Hall after it was canceled.[157]
On October 20, residents at a community board meeting complained about inadequate sanitation, verbal taunts and harassment by protesters, noise, and related issues. One resident angrily complained that the protesters “[a]re defecating on our doorsteps”; board member Tricia Joyce said, “They have to have some parameters. That doesn’t mean the protests have to stop. I’m hoping we can strike a balance on parameters because this could be a long term stay.”[160]
Shortly after midnight on November 15, 2011, the New York City Police Department gave protesters notice from the park’s owner (Brookfield Office Properties) to leave Zuccotti Park due to its purportedly unsanitary and hazardous conditions. The notice stated that they could return without sleeping bags, tarps or tents.[161][162] About an hour later, police in riot gear began removing protesters from the park, arresting some 200 people in the process, including a number of journalists.
On December 31, 2011, Protesters started to re-occupy the park. At one point, protesters started to push police barricades into the streets. Police quickly put the barricades back up. Occupiers then started to take down barricades from all sides of the park and stored them in a pile in the middle of Zuccotti Park.[163] Police called in re-enforcements while at the same time more activists entered the park. Police tried to enter the park, but were pushed back by protesters. There were reports of pepper-spray being used by the police. About 12:40 am after the group celebrated New Years in the park, They exited the park and marched down Broadway. Police, in riot gear, started to clear out the park around 1:30 am Sixty-eight people were arrested—including one accused of stabbing a police officer in the hand with a pair of scissors—in connection with the event, which was over within several hours.[164]
Since the closure of the Zuccotti Park encampment, some former campers have been allowed to sleep in local churches, but how much longer they will be welcomed is in question and even former park occupiers debate whether or not they can continue to provide funds and meals for homeless protesters. Since the removal, New York protesters have been divided in their opinion as to the importance of the occupation of a space with some believing that actual encampment is unnecessary, and even a burden.[165] Since the closure of the Zuccotti Park encampment, the movement has turned its focus on occupying banks, corporate headquarters, board meetings, college and university campuses, and Wall Street itself. Since its inception, the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York City have cost the city an estimated $17 million in overtime fees to provide policing of protests and encampment inside Zuccotti Park.[166][167][168]
On March 17, 2012, Occupy Wall Street demonstrators attempted to mark the movement’s six-month anniversary by reoccupying Zuccotti Park. Protestors were soon cleared away by Police, who made over 70 arrests. Veteran protesters said the force used by police was the most violent they had witnessed and a Guardian reporter witnessed a protester being slammed into a glass door by a police officer.[169][170] On March 24, hundreds of OWS protesters marched from Zuccotti Park to Union Square in a demonstration against police violence.[171]
On September 17, 2012, protesters returned to Zuccotti Park to mark the one-year anniversary of the beginning of the occupation. Protesters blocked access to the New York Stock Exchange as well as other intersections in the area. This, along with several violations of Zuccotti Park rules, lead police to surround groups of protesters, at times pulling protesters from the crowds to be arrested for blocking pedestrian traffic. A police lieutenant instructed reporters not to take pictures. The New York Times reported that two officers shoved city councilman Jumaane D. Williams off a bench with batons after he refused two orders to move. A spokesman for Williams later stated that he had been pushed by police while trying to explain his reason for being in the park, but was not arrested or injured. There were 185 arrests across the city.[172][173][174][175]
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Wow were are the mass killings of innocent people, and do not post debunked crap about Occupy According to internal documents newly released by the FBI, the agency spearheaded a nationwide law enforcement effort to investigate and monitor the Occupy Wall Street movement. In certain documents, divisions of the FBI refer to the Occupy Wall Street protests as a “criminal activity” or even “domestic terrorism.”
The internal papers were obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice fund via a Freedom of Information Act Request. The fund, a legal nonprofit that focuses on civil rights, says it believes the 112 pages of documents, available for public viewing on its website, are only “the tip of the iceberg.”
“This production … is a window into the nationwide scope of the FBI’s surveillance, monitoring, and reporting on peaceful protestors organizing with the Occupy movement,” wrote Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, the fund’s executive director, in a press release Saturday.
According to the documents, the FBI coordinated extensively with private companies, including banks, that feared they could be affected by Occupy protests. Occupy, which took root in New York City’s Zuccotti Park in September 2011 and spread to cities across the country, targeted corporations and other forces it believed to perpetuate social inequality. The FBI’s investigation included the movement’s manifestations in New York; Milwaukee; Indianapolis; Anchorage, Alaska; Jacksonville, Fla.; Richmond, Va.; and Memphis, Tenn., among others.
The FBI did not immediately respond to The Huffington Post’s requests for comment Sunday.
In September, the Northern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union obtained documents that detailed the FBI’s surveillance of the Occupy movement in that region. At the time, the FBI told the San Francisco Chronicle that its investigations were being performed in a way that “respects liberty and privacy and avoids unnecessary intrusions into the lives of law-abiding people.”
According to the new documents, the FBI began meeting with representatives of the New York Stock Exchange and other businesses as early as August 2011, a month before the Zuccotti Park protests.
In Jackson, Miss., the local FBI office attended a meeting with private banks and the police to discuss a “National Bad Bank Sit-In-Day” protest in December 2011.
The documents are heavily redacted, a point that the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund considers to be evidence of the FBI’s attempt to withhold relevant information. The fund is filing an appeal to obtain further details of the FBI’s investigation, according to the release.
Wow the business industry which they were posting were saying this, wow they have no crediblity espically the way that they have tried destory this country. You show me that I should never listen to you because you do not want to see that Corporations are the ones runing this country not the government that is how igorant you are about facts.
Wow keep showing that you have no idea what Occupy is about and never will. You show why KO has no idea how to lie. Also this has nothing to do with KO or baseball, go to we are igorant about Occupy blogs and let people talk baseball.
Wow again here is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Keith, I’m sure you have been approached frequently to lead a baseball podcast. Is this something you have considered?
Michael 310-770-4310
He would just get himself fired from that job too.
Wow someone that has no idea what KO’s career is. KO has only been fired from Fox and Current, here is KO’s real job history, not your fantasy one, Wow another person that has no idea about KO professional history, August KO was never fired from every single employer the that is made up, they only place beisde Current that he was fired from was Fox Sports and like Current he was unjustily fired there, because he did a story which was true about Murdoch selling the LA Dodgers and Murdoch like always hated the truth being told. He even proved KO right by selling them, showing just how he was being unjustily fired. The others places you meation MSNBC and ESPN he quit and even then he was asked back or hired back.
August here the real story about why he quit there, KO hit his head on a subway car being in a hurry to do a story the injure cause him not being able to drive, on top of that he is single, this are two not combinations when you in a subarb like Bristol, it was why KO hated Bristol so much. Anyway, when his contract came up, KO asked ESPN if he could go back to a place where he had been born and grown up and which has always been true to his heart, it called New York or I should say New York city to exact, basically showing that he was homesick, so he asked ESPN if he could broadcast from there instead of Bristol, ESPN said no they wanted him to remain in Bristol and neither he nor ESPN could budge, so as the result the parted ways instead of renewing the contract, he even said goodbye to everyone on Sports Center which you do not get to do if you had been fired. Having said all that ESPN hired KO back so he could do a hour with Patrick on his radio show, which he did until Dan parted ways with ESPN, so he never got fired there, left because he and ESPN could not come to agreement when it came to re-newing the contract, that is not an example of someone being fired unless you have people like you who show that they have no logic or just rather bash and make up crap about KO’s career than learn the truth.
MSNBC
KO went there for the first time in 1996 after he left ESPN or you could say quit ESPN, everything was going fine there, until Lewinsky scandal hit, KO covered it like everyone else, but he started having reservations about it, and he did not like that he was no talking about the other news stories of the day. He even said in interview on CSPN that he was trying to get MSNBC mangement to understand that thier are other things to cover and other stories going on beside this scandal. He was notcing that people would talk about even when there was no breaking news as he told Brain Lamb in that interview. He did a speech for Cornell were he talked about moral force and basically quit MSNBC, but again he came back in 2003 mended fences with mangement and stayed and helped make that channel the success it is today. Mangement being over there being the hypocrites that they are get on his case about donating his own money to two democrats in Arizona because he worried about and rightly so with what happened to Gilford one of the ones he donated to thier safety. They suspend him while letting Scarbough get away with donating money to republican candidates and not getting any punishment until KO fans get on MSNBC mangements case, they have also allowed Shultz to speak at the Wisconsin DNC convention and Geogary at a republican event showing that mangement over there cares nothing about nutrality as they claim it and are lying when they say they do. Anyway KO again mutal parts ways or aka quits MSNBC and again gets to do a last show before he leaves, again showing that he never got fired from there. You do not do last shows or final shows as they call it if you are fired. He did not do one when he got unjustily fired at Current, but did ones when he quit MSNBC and ESPN again showing that he quit those two places and were never fired, they even hired them back, showing that KO no idea how to burn a last bridge.
Again you show that you would rather lie about kO’s professional life than explain why Hyatt/ Current mangement who say that CNO was a title, but never got twitters who were saying that KO got rid of Vanguard and never got on Medite case for there non-sense story about KO being polite after a interview with the “we’ll get back to you” some how meaning that he was interviewing Cenk for a job or liked Cenk and wanted him, when that was not even remotely true and all he was doing was being polite. That story was showing that KO was suppose to have authority over the news department, which again Current said was just a title, but again never deny the story, basically again showing that was not a title and that KO was suppose to run the department and that Current broke the contract when they hired Borhem as president. Hyatt says that KO never allows staff to tweet than how come his staff was tweeting who the guests would be when Shuster was hosting, also why was KO tweeting to his fans about his illness, from saying that his ENT was putting him vocal rest for a week and than tweeting that the ENT had noticed that he had a relapse and had to go on rest again, along with saying that he was going on a pre-planned vacation and even in Current’s counter-suit there is nothing no emails nothing that is getting on KO’s case about, and saying that they had not approved it, which shows that they did a aprove it and are lying when they say otherwise, or just showing that they are not organized and are lying when they say they are. Anyway why did KO even tweet when Seder was hosting, showing that KO was okay with other people hosting Countdown because he had no problem with Seder even saying that Seder was hosting the show. Maybe that should tell you that KO was only angry at Press and Spitzer hosting Countdown because he had not pre- approved them. Press has never twitted that he hosting Countdown. Also Hyatt/Current magement never deines that they were giving out wrong info when KO says in the suit why he never allowed them to tweet about the show. I sorry Hyatt but even I and or anyone in KO’ shoes would not allow you to tweet if you were telling viewers about guests that KO was never having on, or segments that were not schedule to be shown, that only confuses people, it also shows Hyatt that Current is not organized and do not care about viewers or KO’s audience that they would say that KO has to allow them to keep tweeting about shows and giving that wrong info. Hyatt also why when KO said that you blackmailed and threaten fire staff why did you not deny that. August people who threaten to fire people and blackmail like Hyatt did on the who released salary info along with not deny that he said KO’s manger but only says KO in counter-suit, basically shows that they are the guilty party on that one, also if you do reasearch you see that media always uses source on CUrrent and KO and his team weither it is mangement, laywer or him thier name, and also that was a interview but it says source, so if KO wanted to release that info he would have just told the reporter that, meaning that thier would be no source in the article. The fact that thier was a source in that article and that KO had done Lettermen and other press at that time after that suppose email, were could have released it but did not along with the fact that in the case of the primary story KO basically kept his mouth shut while Current kept talking thier asses off to the press, even saying stuff negitve about KO. While KO said that he was happy at Current and everything was going fine, basically defending the company, shows that Hyatt released the info and again would rather lie and show how dishonest he is than admit the truth, again you do not blackmail and threaten to fire which Hyatt did because he never deined it when KO said that in the suit means that you have something to hide and are the guilty party. Also Current tries to have kO do a commerical for AT&T and have AT&T as a sponser, along with releasing documents that suppose to private, and again talking to press left and right when it comes to the primary story, and again talking negatively about KO in the press, showing how unprofessional and irresponisble and again disorangzied even say that lawyers are involve, in that artcle that KO and his lawyer are saying things are being worked out, and Current says that is sabtoging the comapany, excuse me Hyatt how is that sabtoge, oh that right it is not, Current was sabotgaing itself by showing that they lie when they say that are corporate independent by trying to get KO to do that commerical for AT&T and have that AT&T sponsership and realease letters and emails to the press and even talking negatively about thier star, that is what sabtoge Hyatt is, not a quto that is confirming what you are already saying about lawyers working out contract details. By saying that Current is saying that lawyers are involve shows that you are telling the public that, which again showing that Hyatt that you not KO are sabtoging Current. August Current says that they are in charge of the business side and KO is in charge of content. Fixing tenichal problems is business, same with getting adocute studios, the fact that Current did not do that and only complained about insufficant crap like staff size and who built the set of designed it shows that they are lying when they say that they are responsible, that is how BS the start up excuse is, even start ups take responsiblity and try to fix what they are in charge aka tenichal problems. KO could not use his set because electrity kept going out, it even happened when Seder was hosting, wow basically KO had no way of invoding not doing Countdown in the dark, showing that he could not use the set, but still used it for State of the Union and primaries. Hyatt says that KO would not promote but, KO does not deny when KO said that he had agreed to do the TCA but only backed out when Hyatt said that he could not answer reporters questions honestly. He even lies about KO and when it comes to promotion, he says KO stopped in October, so why can I go on a fansite and see a page that even has tweets about KO doing Lettermen that is dated late October, basically close to Halloween. Wow Hyatt explain again how organized Current is. Also Hyatt promote does not mean that KO does the shows and does the articles that you want him to do. KO did Lettermen, Colbert, Ferguson, Hollywood reporter, NPR Fresh Air, Marh, and Rolling stone maginze, wow Hyatt I did not know that was not promoting. Also Hyatt Cenk has only done TCA and a couple of articles from what I have seen so again August why can Cenk get away with not really promoting TYT on Current, and Gramholm doing some talk shows Meet the Press and Lettermen once along with TCA and Hyatt is okay with that but KO does all the shows that I meation and he somehow not promting Countdown and CUrrent, he tweeted us who was on the show when he was on. Also Hyatt why did you get rid of co CEO Rostheal espically if he knew more about the TV business and how to handle stars like KO wow maybe you not KO are the one that cannot work with others, beacuse that shows that you have to be the boss and control the show, cannot have anyone who works with you. Again repeating that Hyatt not KO cannot work with others. Also Hyatt I do not believe a guy who fired someone with AIDS when it comes to ethics and morals, because you to me that is something Fox not a channel saying that they are news and progressive would do. Also Hyatt progressive channels do not put out personal letters when they fire someone and put out rumors that can easily be debunked like that cab one. The driver already came out and said that he never drove KO. So again KO defends you and stays silent on stories that are about inside problems and keeps his fans in touch on his health and why he gone and tells them who is hosting showing how professional he is also. Also Hyatt a responsible professional company listens to the person who been the industry for 33 years and made stations successful aka MSNBC and ESPN, espically when it comes to infusturcute, not ignore them.
Also August you deal with tenichal problems that your bosses will not fix and not even take responsiblity for, and staff that is imcoptent and will not do thier jobs and than tell me that would not be at breaking point KO was and not do things that you would not normally do, and I read those emails, wow angry emails that is not what threatening August looks like. I also watch Countdown, and I have never seen KO at MSNBC and Current use a glass mug. All those emails are show that KO had as incomptent staff as he had mangement, wow I would be frustrated too.
August keep lying about what happened at CUrrent thier is no evidence that KO’s ego had anything to do with what happened. just like thier is no evidence that he broke the contract all the evidence shows that Currnet broke the contract and that they are everything that they claim KO is. YOu really love to show why KO is this generations Murrow. KO keep being yourself and you will have a fan in me. August keep making me love and respect KO and showing me how CUrrent broke the contract and how much of a victim KO is and why I will be pissed if he does not get the justice he rightly deserves. KO love you faults and all. Also do not put that tape version of the Lettermen show. I watched the whole thing and read the whole transcript KO only took responsiblity for signing on to CUrrent and he kept saying that he made a mistake signing on to Current. People who say different show that they have no idea what tapped version that has edits is and what a whole interview and transcript are and also make me love and respect KO more. Wow KO did a last show on ESPN and MSNBC both times and got a pay check that is not what fired is.
You again show how igorant you are that you do not know what quiting which KO has done and what fired is. Keep shoiwng how igorant you are about KO, get off the blog and go to we are igoranrt about KO’s career blogs and let people talk baseball.
Wow again here is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
The Times Square Bomber was Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old Pakistan-born resident of Bridgeport, Connecticut, who had become a U.S. citizen in April 2009.
The Fort Hood shooter was Nidal Malik Hasan, a radical Muslim.
Neith one had anything to do with any Tea Party protest.
This generation’s Murrow my ass.
#BathtubBoy #KrustytheClown
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Wow you are really igorant about who Boortz is, no wonder you love lying and bashing jouranlist like KO, here is who Boortz is and why you do not listen to people like him Neal Bortz is someone that would not know what the truth is if it bit on the head Conservative talk radio host Neal Boortz unleashed an astounding array of attacks on President Obama on Thursday, likening him to figures such as Adolf Hitler and serial killer Ted Bundy, as well as terrorist groups Al Qaeda and Ansar al-Sharia.
Boortz, whose Atlanta radio show is nationally syndicated, was addressing a commentary by Herman Cain, in which the former Republican presidential candidate congratulated Obama on his reelection. Boortz replied: “OK, Herman Cain, that’s BS.” He continued:
BOORTZ: I would like to congratulate Richard Speck. I would — you know, I would like to congratulate Ted Bundy on sneaking into yet another sorority house and killing another coed. I would like to congratulate Adolf Hitler on his invasion of Poland. I would like to congratulate the — Al Qaeda for their successful attack on New York City. I would like to congratulate the Ansar al-Sharia crowd over there in Benghazi for their successful assault on our consulate.
Congratulate Barack Obama? I’m sorry, Herman, love you but you can take that and stick in that phony damn cowboy hat of yours.
He went on to accuse Obama of being “dedicated to the destruction of our economic system” and the “weakening” of America and the U.S. military. Boortz also called Obama a liar and a thief and claimed he gave “away enough to con a bunch of ignorant, stupid voters into giving him the power to carry out his anti-American schemes.”
He concluded by saying, “I fear that man,” adding, “The Bible, according to Barack Obama: Though shalt not steal, except by majority rule.”
Boortz continued to reject Cain’s comments, saying later in the show that congratulating Obama was tantamount to congratulating a thief after his successful theft of your car.
He ended his commentary by saying, “What are they gonna do? Fire me?”
According to Talkers Magazine, Boortz holds a national audience of about 6 million weekly listeners. He was ranked by the magazine as the 13th most influential radio talk host in the nation this year.
News/Talk WSB in Atlanta, Boortz’s flagship station, reported on June 4 that Cain will replace Boortz as the host of his daily show when Boortz retires in January 2013.
Boortz, who has a history of inflammatory attacks against African-Americans, working-class Americans, and immigrants, previously likened Obama to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and said that Obama “is a bigger disaster to this country than 9-11.” That comment drew harsh criticism from 9-11 victims’ families. Here is also something else Last week conservative radio host Neal Boortz issued a challenge via Twitter:
Boortz’s challenge came after Media Matters shone a spotlight on his claim that President Obama’s reelection represented a bigger threat to the United States of America than Al Qaeda and Adolf Hitler.
After Boortz issued his challenge, I replied via Twitter:
Media Matters scheduled an appearance through Neal Boortz’s producer and the debate was set up for today from 10:05 to 10:20 AM – or so we thought.
After Media Matters followed up to confirm the debate, Neal’s producer emailed explaining the debate time that was previously discussed had been booked, and that no future timeframe was available for the debate to take place – a debate based on a challenge Boortz himself issued.
Have a listen to what Boortz did instead of debating Media Matters:
I stand behind my willingness to discuss this issue with Boortz, and Media Matters stands behind its willingness to debate our rhetorical adversaries at any time. In case you were wondering– yes, the “Obama’s going to take your guns!” crowd is having a complete meltdown over perfectly sensible gun safety measures.
How does the slippery slope thing work, anyway? Obama passes, say, mandatory background checks — then a few months later the ATF is raiding Boy Scout camps for .22s?
Anyway, only right-wing extremists like Boortz and the gun lobby oppose these common-sense measures. But when you make millions peddling lethal assault rifles to children, you’re going to fight like hell to protect your profit margins.This is to a tweet that was lying about what Obama wanted to do with gun control like Obama wanting to end gun ownership which is not true and never will be BY, here is more So agian you show that you love to support people that lie and fabercate facts and than bash people like KO who have never been able to lie. You show that By you are igorant and always will be on what facts are. Now get off the blog and go to we are igorant about facts blogs and let people talk baseball.
Wow you really embarass yourself with your BS posts that have always been debunked. Keep lying that is all you know how to do. Get off the blog and let people talk baseball. You really show why KO is this generations Murrow and always will, and do not say different because that would be another lie. Wow here is what bush was like and coporations with thier unjustice wars and cheating of the American citizens. Keep showing how igorant you are.
Wow
(born September 8, 1970 in Arlington County, Virginia) is a United States Army Medical Corps officer and sole accused in the November 5, 2009, Fort Hood shooting,[3] which occurred less than a month before he was due to deploy to Afghanistan.[1][4][5] Hasan has been charged in the mass shooting with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder.[6][7] As of March 2013, court-martial proceedings are scheduled to begin May 29, 2013.[8]
During the six years that Hasan worked as an intern and resident at Walter Reed Medical Center, colleagues and superiors were deeply concerned about his inappropriate behavior and comments, described by some as “paranoid” and “schizoid”. The 39-year-old Hasan was not married and has been described as socially isolated and stressed by his work with soldiers and upset about their accounts of warfare.[9] At Fort Hood, he took an apartment away from other officers. Two days before the shooting, he gave away much of his belongings to a neighbor.
Prior to the shooting, Hasan had expressed extremist views. An FBI investigation concluded that his emails with the late Imam Anwar al-Awlaki were related to his authorized professional research and that he was not a threat. The FBI, Department of Defense and US Senate all conducted investigations after the shootings. DOD classified the events as “workplace violence,” pending prosecution of Hasan in a court martial. The Senate released a report describing the mass shooting as “the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil since September 11, 2001.”[10][11]
Investigators in the FBI and U.S. Army determined that Hasan acted alone and they have found no evidence of links to terrorist groups. They are satisfied that his communications with Awlaki posed no threat at the time. The decision by the Army not to charge Hasan with terrorism was controversial, and there was public debate.[12]
The Army held an Article 32 hearing beginning on October 12, 2010, which recommended that charges against Hasan be referred to a General Court Martial. Hasan was arraigned on July 20, 2011 and trial was scheduled for March 2012. It was delayed for certain internal reasons and appeals, and the judge was replaced. Judge Colonel Tara Osborn has been assigned to the case.
Wow you show that you love to pratice Islamphobia and show that you do not know what tolerance is. This guy was not a Muslim and he was not even radical. You show that you have no idea what being human is, keep showing how igorant you are about tolerance, I do not listen to people that think it okay to hate Muslims, people like you disgust me, and you show me that you are everyting that you think KO is.
No wonder you believe made up stories by bullies, again here is who Gibson is a blog that as igorant as you are about what happened over there, here is what happened at Current and how Current broke the contract Wow again here is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Wow keep showing that you are not only igorant about KO but you love to posts that are BS and embarrassing with thier embarrassment as yours are about who KO is. I someone that cares nothing about how kO is behind the secence, that is why I can read and see that Current broke the contract.
Get off and go to the Islamphobia blogs and show that you do not know what tolerance is, you really show that you are everything that you say KO is. You are the one that throwing stones from glass houses, you show that you are hypocrite. Keep it up, now get off and let people talk baseball.
Wow
(born September 8, 1970 in Arlington County, Virginia) is a United States Army Medical Corps officer and sole accused in the November 5, 2009, Fort Hood shooting,[3] which occurred less than a month before he was due to deploy to Afghanistan.[1][4][5] Hasan has been charged in the mass shooting with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder.[6][7] As of March 2013, court-martial proceedings are scheduled to begin May 29, 2013.[8]
During the six years that Hasan worked as an intern and resident at Walter Reed Medical Center, colleagues and superiors were deeply concerned about his inappropriate behavior and comments, described by some as “paranoid” and “schizoid”. The 39-year-old Hasan was not married and has been described as socially isolated and stressed by his work with soldiers and upset about their accounts of warfare.[9] At Fort Hood, he took an apartment away from other officers. Two days before the shooting, he gave away much of his belongings to a neighbor.
Prior to the shooting, Hasan had expressed extremist views. An FBI investigation concluded that his emails with the late Imam Anwar al-Awlaki were related to his authorized professional research and that he was not a threat. The FBI, Department of Defense and US Senate all conducted investigations after the shootings. DOD classified the events as “workplace violence,” pending prosecution of Hasan in a court martial. The Senate released a report describing the mass shooting as “the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil since September 11, 2001.”[10][11]
Investigators in the FBI and U.S. Army determined that Hasan acted alone and they have found no evidence of links to terrorist groups. They are satisfied that his communications with Awlaki posed no threat at the time. The decision by the Army not to charge Hasan with terrorism was controversial, and there was public debate.[12]
The Army held an Article 32 hearing beginning on October 12, 2010, which recommended that charges against Hasan be referred to a General Court Martial. Hasan was arraigned on July 20, 2011 and trial was scheduled for March 2012. It was delayed for certain internal reasons and appeals, and the judge was replaced. Judge Colonel Tara Osborn has been assigned to the case.
Wow you show that you love to pratice Islamphobia and show that you do not know what tolerance is. This guy was not a Muslim and he was not even radical. You show that you have no idea what being human is, keep showing how igorant you are about tolerance, I do not listen to people that think it okay to hate Muslims, people like you disgust me, and you show me that you are everyting that you think KO is.
No wonder you believe made up stories by bullies, again here is who Gibson is a blog that as igorant as you are about what happened over there, here is what happened at Current and how Current broke the contract Wow again here is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Wow keep showing that you are not only igorant about KO but you love to posts that are BS and embarrassing with thier embarrassment as yours are about who KO is. I someone that cares nothing about how kO is behind the secence, that is why I can read and see that Current broke the contract.
Get off and go to the Islamphobia blogs and show that you do not know what tolerance is, you really show that you are everything that you say KO is. You are the one that throwing stones from glass houses, you show that you are hypocrite. Keep it up, now get off and let people talk baseball.
Sorry but that guy was not a Pakinstan resident and
Keep showing me why I love KO, you keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and will be around for years to come.
“Keep Obama in president, ‘chu know?” -_-
Wow
Again has nothing to do with KO or baseball.
Bathtub Boy’s Cuntiness?
Ain’t Nobody Got Time for That!
Wow thaks BG for showing that you have no idea who KO is, and that you love to defend bullies and a person that thinks that it fun to make fun of people’s pain aka JOhn Stewart aka how he felt on 911, also someone that thinks that it okay to make fun of someone after they commited sucide aka Heath Ledgar. Sorry but that story and name are made up and always will be. Gibson did like that KO called him out on his my religon is better than yours crap. You show that you are igorant not only on facts and KO, but that you are igorant on what being human means. Here is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow keep showing that you love to put up posts about made up names and made up stories because you hate truth and you hate KO because he not supppose to tell the truth about conseravtives and love to support hate speech.
Get off this blog and let people talk baseball, go to we are igorant about KO and love to support people that have no idea what being human means aka Gibson. You really show why KO is this generations Murrow and why KO unlike you knows what being human means. You show that you are everything that you claim KO is, thanks for showing that, now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Also that has nothing to do with KO, sorry but that is made up video that you love to post because you hate people that are jouranlist like KO and do not say different because that would be a lie, and you love to show how igorant youa are about KO and have no idea who he is and do not say different because that would be a lie. Go to we are igorant about KO blogs and let people talk baseball.
http://twicsy.com/i/HnoLk
Wow again here is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
GuitarHero1965@GuitarHero1965
Report: Olberdouche Wants To Return To ESPN . . . ESPN: We’ll Pass…. http://shar.es/jKYl6
JD@JDCoog71
@GuitarHero1965 Weird that ESPN wouldn’t want to put a bag full of suck on their airwaves. #BathTubBoy
wow
That is what was said, sorry but that site lied about what was happening there,
here is what was said Sunday night, we learned from the New York Times that ESPN Head Honcho John Skipper and cable television refugee Keith Olbermann had gone to dinner to talk about a possible role at the Worldwide Leader. And after some analysis, it was thought by observers, including by your humble writer, that the chances of an ESPN-Keithy reunion were slim to none.
However, as Lee Corso loves to say, “Not so fast, my friend,” it appears that where there’s smoke, there’s fire. The Big Lead’s Jason McIntyre who seems to have as many ESPN sources as Peter King has in the NFL writes that bringing Olbermann on board is Skipper’s idea and could happen as early as May. And while some have believed the story in the Times was an Olbermann plant, McIntyre says it was Skipper’s to feel out Disney executives who would have approve a K.O. sequel with ESPN.
The Big Lead notes that Rick Reilly’s contract is coming up soon and Keithy could replace Reilly on ESPN.com and fill his pundit role that never really took off. And there’s ESPN Radio New York which could use Olbermann as a personality to take on WFAN.
Can this whole thing between ESPN and Olbermann work? If we take a look at Keith’s second tour with MSNBC, it began nicely with increased ratings for his Countdown program and a new identity for the network. However, just like Keith’s previous gigs, he ended up leaving on bad terms following a contribution to a congressional candidate, a no-no for any news anchor.
As talented as K.O. is, there’s always the potential of things blowing up. Olbermann is the bottle of nitroglycerin that you know will explode, but stlll keep on your counter knowing full well the danger of it all.
If it is true that John Skipper wants Keith Olbermann for ESPN, he must know there’s a high risk. But if Skipper can keep Olby at arm’s length and away from the rank and file in Bristol, then the risk can be minimized. An ESPN-Olbermann marriage may not be as far-fetched as we thought.
Wow so please explain how ESPN does not want KO
Also BB is not KO, here again is who Gibson is because you love to support people that have no idea what being human means Wow again here is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Laurel> Blackbird•4 days ago−
“In a court filing Friday, the network attacked the liberal opinion-maker as “arrogant” and “immature”"
Doesn’t that pretty much describe the left in general?
wow
a blog that as igorant as you are about what happened over there, here is what happened at Current and how Current broke the contract Wow again here is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Wow keep showing that you are not only igorant about KO but you love to posts that are BS and embarrassing with thier embarrassment as yours are about who KO is. I someone that cares nothing about how kO is behind the secence, that is why I can read and see that Current broke the contract.
Via NY Post:
Liberal bloviator Keith Olbermann spent his last days at Current TV driving colleagues nuts with rants about “smelly’’ drivers who had the audacity to talk to him, according to startling e-mails obtained by The Post.
“The problem is with him . . . the man who professes to be for the 99% doesn’t want any of the 99% talking to him or being near him,” an accounting executive complained in one of the missives.
An assistant, who had just about maxed out her corporate card in a desperate attempt to find a car service whose drivers would meet Olbermann’s exacting standards, e-mailed Accounting:
“I bet you wish I was joking about this . . . but we have yet another car service we need to open an account with.
“Any chance we can get this ASAP? I keep putting the charges on my corporate card and I’m afraid it will go over the limit soon!”
But then she had an inspiration — why not try an LA company called, appropriately, “Diva.’’
“I am hoping this is the last one!!” the exasperated staffer said.
It worked, but it didn’t last long, because Olbermann was fired about a month later.
He did, however, leave the studio for the last time in a Diva limo, sent by the firm’s New York operation.
Olbermann’s pre-Diva drivers had disdained him as much as he despised them.
“I don’t watch him. And I don’t like him as a person,” said one Skyline driver. “He’s wealthy and entitled. That should be your answer.”
Current TV, the fledgling liberal cable channel, said Friday that it had terminated its relationship with Keith Olbermann, the anchor that it hired just one year ago.
In a letter to viewers, the channel said Friday: “We created Current to give voice to those Americans who refuse to rely on corporate-controlled media and are seeking an authentic progressive outlet. We are more committed to those goals today than ever before. Current was also founded on the values of respect, openness, collegiality, and loyalty to our viewers. Unfortunately these values are no longer reflected in our relationship with Keith Olbermann and we have ended it.”
Mr. Olbermann will not be given an opportunity to sign off. Starting Friday night, the former New York governor Eliot Spitzer will replace him at 8 p.m.
The decision to dismiss Mr. Olbermann was ->>>>>unanimous<<<<<- among the senior managers of Current, according to a person familiar with the matter.
May 09, 2011
But he seems like such a nice guy.
(NY Post) — Gasbag Keith Olbermann can’t seem to wrangle staff for his Current TV show, “Countdown.” Still in need of an executive producer and other staff, famously difficult Olbermann has crawled back to his contacts at MSNBC, many of whom he offended while there, to beg for staff. “Everyone is laughing,” said a source. “They would never leave the network to work for him.” A witness recently saw him hobbling around the Upper East Side with a stick in his hand. Olbermann is recovering from a “foot injury”. His rep didn’t get back to us.
Wow that story turned out to false, That was the New York Post’s headline this morning for what might have been – even for them – a record-setting amount of lies and falsehoods in a story about me.
This one is, in fact, almost completely fabricated. And worse yet, they knew it was when they printed it. One of the junior sleazebags over there, somebody named Tara Palmeri (she’s @tarapalmeri, tweeters) ran her steaming load of crap past the media relations department at Current on Friday. The appropriate correction (and proof) was emailed back, same day. Yet her item published in the “newspaper” today she lied and claimed a “representative” did not “get back” to her.
Let’s look at this line-by-line, so you can enjoy each of her other lies and the embarrassing result when a little truth is applied:
Gasbag Keith Olbermann can’t seem to wrangle staff for his Current TV show, “Countdown.”
We have ten full-time editorial staffers, plus two consultants. I think on Countdown we had fourteen or fifteen editorial full-time staffers. Gosh, this only gives me six weeks to line up the last couple.
Still in need of an executive producer and other staff, famously difficult Olbermann has crawled back to his contacts at MSNBC, many of whom he offended while there, to beg for staff.
Wow. Just wow. This moron is going to look, well, moronic, when we announce the identity of the Executive Producer. That deal may get wrapped up this week. Also there is this phrase “beg for staff.” I only asked about half a dozen of my former staffers to join me, largely because most people in television have contracts and can’t just pick up and leave – now. And if we want to debate “famously difficult” we can, but I’ll take what my ex-colleagues thought of me as my epitaph. I wonder if Rupert Murdoch would dare do the same.
“Everyone is laughing,” said a source. “They would never leave the network to work for him.”
If they’re laughing over there, it must be because they’re reading The New York Post. Three of the new staff of Countdown on Current are from the old staff of Countdown on MSNBC. A fourth staffer came in from another show. One of the consultants is from MSNBC. And we’ve engaged more than a dozen people, familiar to you from the old show, as formal Contributors to the new one. So if you’d like to add that all up, in point of fact around 20 people have done what the Post’s made-up source claims they’d never do.
And I say made-up source because it goes without saying that I won’t believe anybody at NBC would actually feed them false information in an attempt to damage Countdown on Current.
A witness recently saw him hobbling around the Upper East Side with a stick in his hand. Olbermann is recovering from a foot injury.
This was the only part the unfortunate and professionally doomed Ms. Palmeri even bothered to alter even though she was corrected on all this more than 72 hours ago. Her original version had me ‘walking around the Upper East side with a walking stick’ as if I should have also had a top hat and tails and been singing ‘Sooopa Dooopa.’
The Post is bizarrely interested in how I dress. In 2002 it breathlessly reported that I had attended a Mets game and sat in the press box ‘wearing shorts.’ They were cargo pants, and it was 90 degrees, and that day about half the media were wearing them.
And so another Page Six staffer begins her inevitable descent out of journalism. The internet doesn’t tell us much about Tara Palmeri, except that she used to work for another bastion of reporting, the DC Examiner, and that she has appeared on the unintentionally hilarious “Red Eye” show on Fox, and that she was once expelled from a benefit for Haitian earthquake relief because she chose that somber and important event to badger Sean Penn about a tasteless remark he’d made about cancer. She appears to have begun what must have seemed to her to be a career, at CNN. So it’s CNN to DC Examiner to Page Six. The next step in that progression would be writing graffiti on the wall of a men’s room at New York’s Penn Station.
UPDATE POSTSCRIPT: The thing was immediately picked up by the myna birds of the right wing media. A website called Pajamas stepped in it up to its neck with this gem:
“…(he) is legendary around Washington for his awful treatment of everyone who works for or near him.”
I’ve never worked full time in Washington. Another fine, accurate news source.
Sorry but I do not listen to people that think that New York post is a legitmate news paper, shows me that you have no idea what honesty is and you are igorant about who KO is. Keep embarrasing yourself you show that you would not know who KO is if he walked up and say high. Sorry but again this is a debunk story.
Wow, History, this TROLL, BG has gotten you on a roll. Must say I do admire your extensive knowledge of current and past events as well as presenting many counter point facts. It is a shame that the blog has devolved into Political discourse instead of ” the Boys of Summer”. When I want Political discourse, I pop on over to the Daily Kos, as well as some other sites. Of course, DK knows how to handle Trolls. And don’t forget Right Wingnuts are never, ever swayed by facts or Reality. What else can I say? Follow your Bliss!
Flashback: Olbermann Says Someone Should “Take Out” Hillary Clinton During Dem Primaries…
Consider this post a giant stone being thrown at Olbermann’s glass house.
“Only solution is for somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out”
Note: Last night he blamed the shooting on Palin and conservatives.
January 9, 2011
Wow
You show that you love to edit things when they are not going by your view point. Again that is not what that comment was about, and he was apologizing for that quto
Here again is what this comment was about, This morning in Arizona, this time of the ever-escalating, borderline-ecstatic invocation of violence in fact or in fantasy in our political discourse, closed. It is essential tonight not to demand revenge, but to demand justice; to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism, but to work to change the minds of them and their supporters – or if those minds tonight are too closed, or if those minds tonight are too unmoved, or if those minds tonight are too triumphant, to make sure by peaceful means that those politicians and commentators and supporters have no further place in our system of government.
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If Sarah Palin, whose website put and today scrubbed bullseye targets on 20 Representatives including Gabby Giffords, does not repudiate her own part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics, she must be dismissed from politics – she must be repudiated by the members of her own party, and if they fail to do so, each one of them must be judged to have silently defended this tactic that today proved so awfully foretelling, and they must in turn be dismissed by the responsible members of their own party.
If Jesse Kelly, whose campaign against Congresswoman Giffords included an event in which he encouraged his supporters to join him firing machine guns, does not repudiate this, and does not admit that even if it was solely indirectly, or solely coincidentally, it contributed to the black cloud of violence that has envellopped our politics, he must be repudiated by Arizona’s Republican Party.
If Congressman Allen West, who during his successful campaign told his supporters that they should make his opponent afraid to come out of his home, does not repudiate those remarks and all other suggestions of violence and forced fear, he should be repudiated by his constituents and the Republican Congressional Caucus.
If Sharron Angle, who spoke of “Second Amendment solutions,” does not repudiate that remark and urge her supporters to think anew of the terrible reality of what her words implied, she must be repudiated by her supporters in Nevada.
If the Tea Party leaders who took out of context a Jefferson quote about blood and tyranny and the tree of liberty do not understand – do not understand tonight, now what that really means, and these leaders do not tell their followers to abhor violence and all threat of violence, then those Tea Party leaders must be repudiated by the Republican Party.
If Glenn Beck, who obsesses nearly as strangely as Mr. Loughner did about gold and debt and who wistfully joked about killing Michael Moore, and Bill O’Reilly, who blithely repeated “Tiller the Killer” until the phrase was burned into the minds of his viewers, do not begin their next broadcasts with solemn apologies for ever turning to the death-fantasies and the dreams of bloodlust, for ever having provided just the oxygen to those deep in madness to whom violence is an acceptable solution, then those commentators and the others must be repudiated by their viewers, and by all politicians, and by sponsors, and by the networks that employ them.
And if those of us considered to be “on the left” do not re-dedicate ourselves to our vigilance to eliminate all our own suggestions of violence – how ever inadvertent they might have been then we too deserve the repudiation of the more sober and peaceful of our politicians and our viewers and our networks.
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Here, once, in a clumsy metaphor, I made such an unintended statement about the candidacy of then-Senator Clinton. It sounded as if it was a call to physical violence. It was wrong, then. It is even more wrong tonight. I apologize for it again, and I urge politicians and commentators and citizens of every political conviction to use my comment as a means to recognize the insidiousness of violent imagery, that if it can go so easily slip into the comments of one as opposed to violence as me, how easily, how pervasively, how disastrously can it slip into the already-violent or deranged mind?
For tonight we stand at one of the clichéd crossroads of American history. Even if the alleged terrorist Jared Lee Loughner was merely shooting into a political crowd because he wanted to shoot into a political crowd, even if he somehow was unaware who was in the crowd, we have nevertheless for years been building up to a moment like this.
Assume the details are coincidence. The violence is not. The rhetoric has devolved and descended, past the ugly and past the threatening and past the fantastic and into the imminently murderous.
We will not return to the 1850s, when a pro-slavery Congressman nearly beat to death an anti-slavery Senator; when an anti-slavery madman cut to death with broadswords pro-slavery advocates.
We will not return to the 1960s, when with rationalizations of an insane desire for fame, or of hatred, or of political opposition, a President was assassinated and an ultra-Conservative would-be president was paralyzed, and a leader of peace was murdered on a balcony.
We will not.
Because tonight, what Mrs. Palin, and what Mr. Kelly, and what Congressman West, and what Ms. Angle, and what Mr. Beck, and what Mr. O’Reilly, and what you and I must understand, was that the man who fired today did not fire at a Democratic Congresswoman and her supporters.
He was not just a mad-man incited by a thousand daily temptations by slightly less-mad-men to do things they would not rationally condone.
He fired today into our liberty and our rights to live and to agree or disagree in safety and in freedom from fear that our support or opposition will cost us our lives or our health or our sense of safety. The bullseye might just as well have been on Mrs. Palin, or Mr. Kelly, or you, or me. The wrong, the horror, would have been – could still be just as real and just as unacceptable.
At a time of such urgency and impact, we as Americans – conservative or liberal – should pour our hearts and souls into politics. We should not – none of us, not Gabby Giffords and not any Conservative – ever have to pour our blood. And every politician and commentator who hints otherwise, or worse still stays silent now, should have no place in our political system, and should be denied that place, not by violence, but by being shunned and ignored.
It is a simple pledge, it is to the point, and it is essential that every American politician and commentator and activist and partisan take it and take it now, I say it first, and freely:
Violence, or the threat of violence, has no place in our Democracy, and I apologize for and repudiate any act or any thing in my past that may have even inadvertently encouraged violence. Because for whatever else each of us may be, we all are Americans.
Keep showing how igorant you are that you cannot tell a edit comment from the real thing. He was not going after republicans he was going after people who think that he okay to use violent rheotric and asking them to stop. You really are showing that you have no idea what being human means. You think that it okay to let conservatives and others to say all the violent rheotric that they want and not pay the consquences. Wow keep making respect KO more and more and showing why he this generations Murrow and that he unlike you knows what being human means. You BG are showing that KO is oppoiste of who you want him to be, and that you are everything that you claim KO is. Know go to we are igorant about what a edit tape is that trying to make KO bad and what the real comment is. That is all this post is showing and do not say different because that would be another lie.
Wow you show that you do not know what reading comprehension is, no where in that comment does KO blame Palin for the shooting. He talking if you would read instead of edit and make up crap about what it was about, you would know that he was talking about violent rheotric. Please explain how saying we need to stop the violent rheotric is blaming someone for the shooting, also you would know that KO was apologzing for what he said about Clinton.
Sorry but KO did not blame conservatives and Palin, that is total false and always will be, also you show that you do not know what apolizing looks like. KO was saying that we needed to stop the violent rheotric that is why he put that Clinton thing in, to show that he was even guilty of it.
You show that you have no idea who KO is and you do not even read or listen to what he says because if you did you would not put up this made up BS post that anyone with a brain and leaves in the real world know that was not what KO said at all.
Sorry but you show that you once again show that BG has zero clue what being human means, BG thinks that it okay for people like Palin to use rhetoric that has violent imgary in it. Wow thanks for showing me that KO is against violence and that he has no idea how to lie and that you do not know how to read and comprehend. Sorry that is not what was said, that was you again making up what KO said because conseravtives can never be told that they need to stop the violent rheotric. You show agian that you are everything that you claim KO is and do not say different because that would be a lie. Learn what not posting things with bullet points mean, that has nothing to do with saying that Palin and conseravtives were responsible for shooting that saying that they need to learn to stay away from stuff that could be called violent. SOrry but this is false, only people that live in alternate realities and care crap about people taking responsiblity for the rheotric would believe this BS post. Again that is a debunked lie. Also learn what an apology looks like Update to the Update: Olbermann apologized on the air tonight, explaining that he ought to have made the statement pronoun-neutral and specific to politics; I am once again impressed with the alacrity of Olbermann and MSNBC.
Keith Olbermann closed Saturday’s edition of Countdown with a Special Comment that called for an end to the violent rhetoric in American politics. In response to the mass shooting in Tuscon, AZ today where Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among those wounded, Olbermann said, “The rhetoric has devolved and descended, past the ugly and past the threatening and past the fantastic and into the imminently murderous.”
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Olbermann started off by suggesting that today was the day that our violent political rhetoric turned murderous, “Left, right, middle – politicians and citizens – sane and insane. This morning in Arizona, this age in which this country would accept “targeting” of political opponents and putting bullseyes over their faces and of the dangerous blurring between political rallies and gun shows, ended.”
He suggested that those who will not reject the language of violence should be rejected by the American people, “This morning in Arizona, this time of the ever-escalating, borderline-ecstatic invocation of violence in fact or in fantasy in our political discourse, closed. It is essential tonight not to demand revenge, but to demand justice; to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism, but to work to change the minds of them and their supporters – or if those minds tonight are too closed, or if those minds tonight are too unmoved, or if those minds tonight are too triumphant, to make sure by peaceful means that those politicians and commentators and supporters have no further place in our system of government.”
Olbermann named several Republicans including Sharron Angle, Allen West, Jesse Kelly, and Sarah Palin, “If Sarah Palin, whose website put and today scrubbed bullseye targets on 20 Representatives including Gabby Giffords, does not repudiate her own part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics, she must be dismissed from politics – she must be repudiated by the members of her own party, and if they fail to do so, each one of them must be judged to have silently defended this tactic that today proved so awfully foretelling, and they must in turn be dismissed by the responsible members of their own party.”
He also mentioned Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly, “If Glenn Beck, who obsesses nearly as strangely as Mr. Loughner did about gold and debt and who wistfully joked about killing Michael Moore, and Bill O’Reilly, who blithely repeated “Tiller the Killer” until the phrase was burned into the minds of his viewers, do not begin their next broadcasts with solemn apologies for ever turning to the death-fantasies and the dreams of bloodlust, for ever having provided just the oxygen to those deep in madness to whom violence is an acceptable solution, then those commentators and the others must be repudiated by their viewers, and by all politicians, and by sponsors, and by the networks that employ them.”
Olbermann also called on the left to vigilant against their own suggestions of violence and gave a personal example, “Here, once, in a clumsy metaphor, I made such an unintended statement about the candidacy of then-Senator Clinton. It sounded as if it was a call to physical violence. It was wrong, then. It is even more wrong tonight. I apologize for it again, and I urge politicians and commentators and citizens of every political conviction to use my comment as a means to recognize the insidiousness of violent imagery, that if it can go so easily slip into the comments of one as opposed to violence as me, how easily, how pervasively, how disastrously can it slip into the already-violent or deranged mind?”
The Countdown host connected the violent rhetoric to what he called an attack on our liberties, “Because tonight, what Mrs. Palin, and what Mr. Kelly, and what Congressman West, and what Ms. Angle, and what Mr. Beck, and what Mr. O’Reilly, and what you and I must understand, was that the man who fired today did not fire at a Democratic Congresswoman and her supporters. He was not just a mad-man incited by a thousand daily temptations by slightly less-mad-men to do things they would not rationally condone. He fired today into our liberty and our rights to live and to agree or disagree in safety and in freedom from fear that our support or opposition will cost us our lives or our health or our sense of safety. The bullseye might just as well have been on Mrs. Palin, or Mr. Kelly, or you, or me. The wrong, the horror, would have been – could still be just as real and just as unacceptable.”
Olbermann called on those who won’t rebuke the language of violence to be shunned and ignored, “At a time of such urgency and impact, we as Americans – conservative or liberal – should pour our hearts and souls into politics. We should not – none of us, not Gabby Giffords and not any Conservative – ever have to pour our blood. And every politician and commentator who hints otherwise, or worse still stays silent now, should have no place in our political system, and should be denied that place, not by violence, but by being shunned and ignored.”
He urged after American, politician, and commentator to pledge to reject the violent rhetoric. Olbermann focused on the right, because this rhetoric has become the stock and trade of the ultra-conservative wing of the Republican Party that views political discourse as nothing less than the final battle between good and evil in which the soul of America herself is at stake. People and their politics are no longer separate in this country. Many Americans on the right and left would never consider going out to dinner with someone that they just engaged in a heated political discussion with. This nation has become a place where liberals stay in their corner and conservatives stay in theirs, and the two shall never interact.
In their never ending quest to get voters motivated and to the polls, conservative political operatives have long been aware of the power of the emotional appeals on their base. After the election of President Obama conservative media networks and figures took the bitterness and anger of their audience and gave it an exaggerated voice. By vocalizing these feelings and amping up the emotional content the Glenn Beck’s of the world did something else. They fanned the flames.
Olbermann himself has been guilty of throwing logic out the window and appealing to the emotions of his audience. This very tactic is what makes his Special Comments so popular with his viewers. He seems to speak for them, but there is a key difference. Even at his most misguided, Olbermann is never trying to provoke fear in his audience, nor does he ever hint at violent action or revolution. However, these types of statements and feelings have become the stock and trade of the right wing media.
Yes, this is about politics, but the reason why the violent rhetoric in the media won’t stop is because of money. By spreading fear, Fox News has cornered the market on conservative cable news viewers, while Glenn Beck has become a very wealthy man with his salesmanship of a message of fear wrapped in a paranoia blanket. The business of violent rhetoric and the politics of violent words meet in the person of Sarah Palin who has managed to both become rich and a 2012 presidential contender on the basis of a language of violence.
The man who shot Rep. Giffords and all of the other victims may or may not have been influenced by the violent rhetoric in the air, but this message here is that political violent metaphors help to create an entire culture where to a mentally unstable person violence looks like a good option. When elected officials are turned into enemies and targets even verbally, there will be some of our fellow Americans who take those words seriously.
In this age where television and the Internet are the fibers of our collective unity, words matter more than ever before, but as long as a dollar remains to be made, the merchants of rhetorical violence will continue to do a brisk trade, all the while blaming transition from their words to deeds on a few bad apples. America has some bad apples all right, but I believe that the genie has escaped from the bottle, and there can be no easy path back from this dark path where politics has truly become a life and death endeavor.
Keep lying about who KO is that is all you know how to do, with every post you show why KO is this generations Murrow and that he opposite of who you say he is and that he unlike you has no idea how to lie. I to luagh with how BS and debunked this post is, showing that you are igornat about who KO is and have never watched Countdown.
Flashback: Olbermann Says Someone Should “Take Out” Hillary Clinton During Dem Primaries…
Consider this post a giant stone being thrown at Olbermann’s glass house.
“Only solution is for somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out”
Note: Last night he blamed the shooting on Palin and conservatives.
January 9, 2011
Thanks, I try but I hate when people bully. It a bad habit. I know that they are never persuaded, but coming from Texas I want to try, my state is one that brought the worst president aka Bush.
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BG again KO apologized for that, you seem to not know what the term apologizing is,
Here, once, in a clumsy metaphor, I made such an unintended statement about the candidacy of then-Senator Clinton. It sounded as if it was a call to physical violence. It was wrong, then. It is even more wrong tonight. I apologize for it again, and I urge politicians and commentators and citizens of every political conviction to use my comment as a means to recognize the insidiousness of violent imagery, that if it can go so easily slip into the comments of one as opposed to violence as me, how easily, how pervasively, how disastrously can it slip into the already-violent or deranged mind?
Wow I did not know that when someon apologized for something that they said was wrong was what throwing stones in glasses houses is, wow keep showing me how igorant you are about KO and what he says, here is another one The remark Olbermann refers to, for which he later apologized to our own Rachel Sklar
Wow so he apologized again for this comment after he had said it, and than apologized again and even challenged others to do it also Finally tonight, as promised, a Special Comment on the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona. We need to put the guns down. Just as importantly we need to put the gun metaphors away and permanently.
Left, right, middle – politicians and citizens – sane and insane. This morning in Arizona, this age in which this country would accept “targeting” of political opponents and putting bullseyes over their faces and of the dangerous blurring between political rallies and gun shows, ended.
This morning in Arizona, this time of the ever-escalating, borderline-ecstatic invocation of violence in fact or in fantasy in our political discourse, closed. It is essential tonight not to demand revenge, but to demand justice; to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism, but to work to change the minds of them and their supporters – or if those minds tonight are too closed, or if those minds tonight are too unmoved, or if those minds tonight are too triumphant, to make sure by peaceful means that those politicians and commentators and supporters have no further place in our system of government.
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If Sarah Palin, whose website put and today scrubbed bullseye targets on 20 Representatives including Gabby Giffords, does not repudiate her own part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics, she must be dismissed from politics – she must be repudiated by the members of her own party, and if they fail to do so, each one of them must be judged to have silently defended this tactic that today proved so awfully foretelling, and they must in turn be dismissed by the responsible members of their own party.
If Jesse Kelly, whose campaign against Congresswoman Giffords included an event in which he encouraged his supporters to join him firing machine guns, does not repudiate this, and does not admit that even if it was solely indirectly, or solely coincidentally, it contributed to the black cloud of violence that has envellopped our politics, he must be repudiated by Arizona’s Republican Party.
If Congressman Allen West, who during his successful campaign told his supporters that they should make his opponent afraid to come out of his home, does not repudiate those remarks and all other suggestions of violence and forced fear, he should be repudiated by his constituents and the Republican Congressional Caucus.
If Sharron Angle, who spoke of “Second Amendment solutions,” does not repudiate that remark and urge her supporters to think anew of the terrible reality of what her words implied, she must be repudiated by her supporters in Nevada.
If the Tea Party leaders who took out of context a Jefferson quote about blood and tyranny and the tree of liberty do not understand – do not understand tonight, now what that really means, and these leaders do not tell their followers to abhor violence and all threat of violence, then those Tea Party leaders must be repudiated by the Republican Party.
If Glenn Beck, who obsesses nearly as strangely as Mr. Loughner did about gold and debt and who wistfully joked about killing Michael Moore, and Bill O’Reilly, who blithely repeated “Tiller the Killer” until the phrase was burned into the minds of his viewers, do not begin their next broadcasts with solemn apologies for ever turning to the death-fantasies and the dreams of bloodlust, for ever having provided just the oxygen to those deep in madness to whom violence is an acceptable solution, then those commentators and the others must be repudiated by their viewers, and by all politicians, and by sponsors, and by the networks that employ them.
And if those of us considered to be “on the left” do not re-dedicate ourselves to our vigilance to eliminate all our own suggestions of violence – how ever inadvertent they might have been then we too deserve the repudiation of the more sober and peaceful of our politicians and our viewers and our networks.
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Here, once, in a clumsy metaphor, I made such an unintended statement about the candidacy of then-Senator Clinton. It sounded as if it was a call to physical violence. It was wrong, then. It is even more wrong tonight. I apologize for it again, and I urge politicians and commentators and citizens of every political conviction to use my comment as a means to recognize the insidiousness of violent imagery, that if it can go so easily slip into the comments of one as opposed to violence as me, how easily, how pervasively, how disastrously can it slip into the already-violent or deranged mind?
For tonight we stand at one of the clichéd crossroads of American history. Even if the alleged terrorist Jared Lee Loughner was merely shooting into a political crowd because he wanted to shoot into a political crowd, even if he somehow was unaware who was in the crowd, we have nevertheless for years been building up to a moment like this.
Assume the details are coincidence. The violence is not. The rhetoric has devolved and descended, past the ugly and past the threatening and past the fantastic and into the imminently murderous.
We will not return to the 1850s, when a pro-slavery Congressman nearly beat to death an anti-slavery Senator; when an anti-slavery madman cut to death with broadswords pro-slavery advocates.
We will not return to the 1960s, when with rationalizations of an insane desire for fame, or of hatred, or of political opposition, a President was assassinated and an ultra-Conservative would-be president was paralyzed, and a leader of peace was murdered on a balcony.
We will not.
Because tonight, what Mrs. Palin, and what Mr. Kelly, and what Congressman West, and what Ms. Angle, and what Mr. Beck, and what Mr. O’Reilly, and what you and I must understand, was that the man who fired today did not fire at a Democratic Congresswoman and her supporters.
He was not just a mad-man incited by a thousand daily temptations by slightly less-mad-men to do things they would not rationally condone.
He fired today into our liberty and our rights to live and to agree or disagree in safety and in freedom from fear that our support or opposition will cost us our lives or our health or our sense of safety. The bullseye might just as well have been on Mrs. Palin, or Mr. Kelly, or you, or me. The wrong, the horror, would have been – could still be just as real and just as unacceptable.
At a time of such urgency and impact, we as Americans – conservative or liberal – should pour our hearts and souls into politics. We should not – none of us, not Gabby Giffords and not any Conservative – ever have to pour our blood. And every politician and commentator who hints otherwise, or worse still stays silent now, should have no place in our political system, and should be denied that place, not by violence, but by being shunned and ignored.
It is a simple pledge, it is to the point, and it is essential that every American politician and commentator and activist and partisan take it and take it now, I say it first, and freely:
Violence, or the threat of violence, has no place in our Democracy, and I apologize for and repudiate any act or any thing in my past that may have even inadvertently encouraged violence. Because for whatever else each of us may be, we all are Americans.
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here is some more Finally tonight, as promised, a Special Comment on the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona. We need to put the guns down. Just as importantly we need to put the gun metaphors away and permanently.
Left, right, middle – politicians and citizens – sane and insane. This morning in Arizona, this age in which this country would accept “targeting” of political opponents and putting bullseyes over their faces and of the dangerous blurring between political rallies and gun shows, ended.
This morning in Arizona, this time of the ever-escalating, borderline-ecstatic invocation of violence in fact or in fantasy in our political discourse, closed. It is essential tonight not to demand revenge, but to demand justice; to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism, but to work to change the minds of them and their supporters – or if those minds tonight are too closed, or if those minds tonight are too unmoved, or if those minds tonight are too triumphant, to make sure by peaceful means that those politicians and commentators and supporters have no further place in our system of government.
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If Sarah Palin, whose website put and today scrubbed bullseye targets on 20 Representatives including Gabby Giffords, does not repudiate her own part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics, she must be dismissed from politics – she must be repudiated by the members of her own party, and if they fail to do so, each one of them must be judged to have silently defended this tactic that today proved so awfully foretelling, and they must in turn be dismissed by the responsible members of their own party.
If Jesse Kelly, whose campaign against Congresswoman Giffords included an event in which he encouraged his supporters to join him firing machine guns, does not repudiate this, and does not admit that even if it was solely indirectly, or solely coincidentally, it contributed to the black cloud of violence that has envellopped our politics, he must be repudiated by Arizona’s Republican Party.
If Congressman Allen West, who during his successful campaign told his supporters that they should make his opponent afraid to come out of his home, does not repudiate those remarks and all other suggestions of violence and forced fear, he should be repudiated by his constituents and the Republican Congressional Caucus.
If Sharron Angle, who spoke of “Second Amendment solutions,” does not repudiate that remark and urge her supporters to think anew of the terrible reality of what her words implied, she must be repudiated by her supporters in Nevada.
If the Tea Party leaders who took out of context a Jefferson quote about blood and tyranny and the tree of liberty do not understand – do not understand tonight, now what that really means, and these leaders do not tell their followers to abhor violence and all threat of violence, then those Tea Party leaders must be repudiated by the Republican Party.
If Glenn Beck, who obsesses nearly as strangely as Mr. Loughner did about gold and debt and who wistfully joked about killing Michael Moore, and Bill O’Reilly, who blithely repeated “Tiller the Killer” until the phrase was burned into the minds of his viewers, do not begin their next broadcasts with solemn apologies for ever turning to the death-fantasies and the dreams of bloodlust, for ever having provided just the oxygen to those deep in madness to whom violence is an acceptable solution, then those commentators and the others must be repudiated by their viewers, and by all politicians, and by sponsors, and by the networks that employ them.
And if those of us considered to be “on the left” do not re-dedicate ourselves to our vigilance to eliminate all our own suggestions of violence – how ever inadvertent they might have been then we too deserve the repudiation of the more sober and peaceful of our politicians and our viewers and our networks.
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Here, once, in a clumsy metaphor, I made such an unintended statement about the candidacy of then-Senator Clinton. It sounded as if it was a call to physical violence. It was wrong, then. It is even more wrong tonight. I apologize for it again, and I urge politicians and commentators and citizens of every political conviction to use my comment as a means to recognize the insidiousness of violent imagery, that if it can go so easily slip into the comments of one as opposed to violence as me, how easily, how pervasively, how disastrously can it slip into the already-violent or deranged mind?
For tonight we stand at one of the clichéd crossroads of American history. Even if the alleged terrorist Jared Lee Loughner was merely shooting into a political crowd because he wanted to shoot into a political crowd, even if he somehow was unaware who was in the crowd, we have nevertheless for years been building up to a moment like this.
Assume the details are coincidence. The violence is not. The rhetoric has devolved and descended, past the ugly and past the threatening and past the fantastic and into the imminently murderous.
We will not return to the 1850s, when a pro-slavery Congressman nearly beat to death an anti-slavery Senator; when an anti-slavery madman cut to death with broadswords pro-slavery advocates.
We will not return to the 1960s, when with rationalizations of an insane desire for fame, or of hatred, or of political opposition, a President was assassinated and an ultra-Conservative would-be president was paralyzed, and a leader of peace was murdered on a balcony.
We will not.
Because tonight, what Mrs. Palin, and what Mr. Kelly, and what Congressman West, and what Ms. Angle, and what Mr. Beck, and what Mr. O’Reilly, and what you and I must understand, was that the man who fired today did not fire at a Democratic Congresswoman and her supporters.
He was not just a mad-man incited by a thousand daily temptations by slightly less-mad-men to do things they would not rationally condone.
He fired today into our liberty and our rights to live and to agree or disagree in safety and in freedom from fear that our support or opposition will cost us our lives or our health or our sense of safety. The bullseye might just as well have been on Mrs. Palin, or Mr. Kelly, or you, or me. The wrong, the horror, would have been – could still be just as real and just as unacceptable.
At a time of such urgency and impact, we as Americans – conservative or liberal – should pour our hearts and souls into politics. We should not – none of us, not Gabby Giffords and not any Conservative – ever have to pour our blood. And every politician and commentator who hints otherwise, or worse still stays silent now, should have no place in our political system, and should be denied that place, not by violence, but by being shunned and ignored.
It is a simple pledge, it is to the point, and it is essential that every American politician and commentator and activist and partisan take it and take it now, I say it first, and freely:
Violence, or the threat of violence, has no place in our Democracy, and I apologize for and repudiate any act or any thing in my past that may have even inadvertently encouraged violence. Because for whatever else each of us may be, we all are Americans.
Wow again you show that you do not know what reading comprehension is. Thier is nothing in that comment that shows that he blaming Republicans for the shooting that has been debunked over and over again BG and is not true. KO is not throwing stones in glass houses, because thier is no glass house only the one that you made up because you do not like to read the whole thing just edit what you want. Sorry but KO was apologized about CLinton mephor and was telling everyone including republicans to stop the violent rhoetric. BG shows that he loves to be a hypocroite and show that he thinks that anyone can say all the violent rheotric they can and not pay the consquences. You really show that you BG not KO are the one that is throwing stones in a glass house and that you do not read things, only edit to what you want. Keep showing that you do not know who KO is or what that comment was. You really make me love and respect KO and show that KO has no idea how to throw stones in glass houses and that you love too. SOrry but KO did not blame republicans for shooting that is pure fiction, and he apologized for the Clinton mephor, so KO was throwing no stones that was you putting out fiction because you hate facts.
I knew you were on the Murphy for Cooperstown train but I can’t remember you mentioning Simba before (although I’m sure you have.)
You’re absolutely right about them. They’re both clearly deserving of election.
The Times Square Bomber was Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old Pakistan-born resident of Bridgeport, Connecticut, who had become a U.S. citizen in April 2009.
The Fort Hood shooter was Nidal Malik Hasan, a radical Muslim.
Neith one had anything to do with any Tea Party protest.
This generation’s Murrow my ass.
#BathtubBoy #KrustytheClown
Moderators thier is a troll on the blog and that needs to get rid of, so people can talk baseball.
Any chance to knock the Yankees, eh, KO? Pathetic.
How is KO knocking the Yankee’s, I just asw him talk about Spring traning and talking to people that he had not seen in a while and having someone thank him for backing him up when a player was mean to him, but because this player was Yankee KO has to be knocking them. Excuse me but that does not make sense. Keep showing why KO is this generations Murrow and why he will be around for years to come.
Right on Kiko!
Wow
HJ You like Kiko did not bother to read the article because if you did you would have seen that KO was not talking about the Yankee’s or knocking them down. Also hate to break it to you but he is not pathic, but I know that you only say that because you hate to hear the truth and do not say different on that one beause it will be a lie.
Now get off this blog and let people talk baseball.
The Times Square Bomber was Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old Pakistan-born resident of Bridgeport, Connecticut, who had become a U.S. citizen in April 2009.
The Fort Hood shooter was Nidal Malik Hasan, a radical Muslim.
Neith one had anything to do with any Tea Party protest.
This generation’s Murrow my ass.
#BathtubBoy #KrustytheClown #Cunt
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Also BB is not KO, you again show that you love to support people that do not know what being human means, here again is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
You again show that you do not know what tolerance is and that you are everything that you claim KO is. Sorry but that story and name have been debunked and always will be debunked, you just show how ingorant you are by putting out this debunked story and name, but I am not suprise with the fact that you think it okay to make fun of Muslims, the people that we need to go after are the extremist and they are in every religon.
The Times Square Bomber was Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old Pakistan-born resident of Bridgeport, Connecticut, who had become a U.S. citizen in April 2009.
The Fort Hood shooter was Nidal Malik Hasan, a radical Muslim.
Neith one had anything to do with any Tea Party protest.
This generation’s Murrow my ass.
#BathtubBoy #KrustytheClown #Cunt
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born September 8, 1970 in Arlington County, Virginia) is a United States Army Medical Corps officer and sole accused in the November 5, 2009, Fort Hood shooting,[3] which occurred less than a month before he was due to deploy to Afghanistan.[1][4][5] Hasan has been charged in the mass shooting with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder.[6][7] As of March 2013, court-martial proceedings are scheduled to begin May 29, 2013.[8]
During the six years that Hasan worked as an intern and resident at Walter Reed Medical Center, colleagues and superiors were deeply concerned about his inappropriate behavior and comments, described by some as “paranoid” and “schizoid”. The 39-year-old Hasan was not married and has been described as socially isolated and stressed by his work with soldiers and upset about their accounts of warfare.[9] At Fort Hood, he took an apartment away from other officers. Two days before the shooting, he gave away much of his belongings to a neighbor.
Prior to the shooting, Hasan had expressed extremist views. An FBI investigation concluded that his emails with the late Imam Anwar al-Awlaki were related to his authorized professional research and that he was not a threat. The FBI, Department of Defense and US Senate all conducted investigations after the shootings. DOD classified the events as “workplace violence,” pending prosecution of Hasan in a court martial. The Senate released a report describing the mass shooting as “the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil since September 11, 2001.”[10][11]
Investigators in the FBI and U.S. Army determined that Hasan acted alone and they have found no evidence of links to terrorist groups. They are satisfied that his communications with Awlaki posed no threat at the time. The decision by the Army not to charge Hasan with terrorism was controversial, and there was public debate.[12]
The Army held an Article 32 hearing beginning on October 12, 2010, which recommended that charges against Hasan be referred to a General Court Martial. Hasan was arraigned on July 20, 2011 and trial was scheduled for March 2012. It was delayed for certain internal reasons and appeals, and the judge was replaced. Judge Colonel Tara Osborn has been assigned to the case.
Wow you show that you love to pratice Islamphobia and show that you do not know what tolerance is. This guy was not a Muslim and he was not even radical. You show that you have no idea what being human is, keep showing how igorant you are about tolerance, I do not listen to people that think it okay to hate Muslims, people like you disgust me, and you show me that you are everyting that you think KO is.
Sorry but the Forthood shooter was not a Muslim, you keep showing that you do not know what the term tolerance is.
Now get off the blog and go to we are intolerant about the reilgons that we do not understand blogs, and let people talk baseball, you keep showing that you are everything that you claim KO is.
Also this post has nothing to do with baseball, moderators please remove this trolls posts and mine also and let the conversation go back to baseball.
The Times Square Bomber was Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old Pakistan-born resident of Bridgeport, Connecticut, who had become a U.S. citizen in April 2009.
The Fort Hood shooter was Nidal Malik Hasan, a radical Muslim.
Neith one had anything to do with any Tea Party protest.
This generation’s Murrow my ass.
#BathtubBoy #KrustytheClown #Cunt
{:-P}
The Times Square Bomber was Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old Pakistan-born resident of Bridgeport, Connecticut, who had become a U.S. citizen in April 2009.
The Fort Hood shooter was Nidal Malik Hasan, a radical Muslim.
Neith one had anything to do with any Tea Party protest.
This generation’s Murrow my ass.
#BathtubBoy #KrustytheClown #Cunt
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Moderators please remove the troll and let people talk baseball, this troll keep showing that KO knows what tolerance is and they have zero idea what that term is. Keep showing that you are everything that you say KO is.
The Times Square Bomber was Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old Pakistan-born resident of Bridgeport, Connecticut, who had become a U.S. citizen in April 2009.
The Fort Hood shooter was Nidal Malik Hasan, a radical Muslim.
Neith one had anything to do with any Tea Party protest.
This generation’s Murrow my ass.
#BathtubBoy #KrustytheClown #Cunt
{:-P}
Also BB is not KO, you again show that you love to support people that do not know what being human means, here again is who Gibson is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
You again show that you do not know what tolerance is and that you are everything that you claim KO is. Sorry but that story and name have been debunked and always will be debunked, you just show how ingorant you are by putting out this debunked story and name, but I am not suprise with the fact that you think it okay to make fun of Muslims, the people that we need to go after are the extremist and they are in every religon.
Also thanks for showing that BG has no idea what tolerance looks like sorry but the Food Hood shoter is not a muslim and is not a terriost Someone who is as igorant about KO as you are, KO has never Evidence is growing that an Army psychiatrist, a specialist in disaster psychiatry & combat stress, allegedly killed 12 people & wounded 30 others this afternoon at Fort Hood in Texas. Thoughts of strength & compassion to everyone affected – including the family of the soldier in question… This Army psychiatrist was about to be deployed to the Middle East. Major Nidal Malik Hasan received a poor performance review at Walter Reed before ending up at Fort Hood in July. Major Hasan apparently made no bones about the fact that he didn’t want to go to Iraq, and his family didn’t want him to go there, either. They opposed both the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. Wow, the analysis from Clint VanZant was stunning. There is a possibility, at least according to internet posts attributed to Major Hasan, that he felt that killing innocents would save lives someplace else – instead of just taking his own life because of the impending deployment to Iraq.
Wow were in this piece did KO say tht this guy was the victim and he has never said and do not put up hate sites that think that put up the debunked lie about a liberal media and puts up the made name of MSNBC, those sites are like Dajouro are igorant about who KO is and what KO said. Wow that person a has never like you watched worst person, and show that you are igorant about the segment, this is a tongue and check segment, people here are not really the worst people, also KO does not need to put the Tailban as worst person we already know that they are bad
This is prologue from KO’s book about worst person
” They aren’t really the worst persons in the world, of course. Somewhere somebody’s ending freedom, or sticking a shiv into a witness or defrauding an orphan, or bombing a home. And there’s almost nobody in this book who- in any kind of empirical anaylisis of the worst person in the world at a given moment- could truley hold a candle to any of them.
But my guys have all, in thier own ways tried.
Orphans may have nothing to fear, and freedom more likely to hurt itself laughing at them than be hurt by thier Rube Goldnergian machinations. But these Worsts (if you’ll perment the term) are mortal enemies of honesty and diginity, of selfishness and class
In short- they do.
So again this person like you are showing that KO has no idea how to lie and that he like you have no idea what Countdown is and who KO is. This person like you is lying about who KO is and showing like you how igorant when it comes to KO and do not say different BG because that would be a lie, and show that you love to support dishonesty and people like Dajouro who posts stuff about KO that like yours can be easily debunked and shows that Dajouro is the one lying and that KO has no idea how to lie and Dajouro has no idea how to tell the truth like you do and like you is igroant about facts.
Sorry but this what people that live in real world call a bashing piece that shows that you love to support dishonesty name calling and bullying. Dajaouro is everything that he claims KO is in that tweet and KO is oppoiste of all that.
Keep posting debunk tweets that show why KO is this generations Murrow and has no idea how to lie and show that you never watched Countdown.
Anyone that does not get that worst is a tongue and check segment show how igorant about Countdown and that they never watched the show.
Keep showing how igoranrt you are about honesty and facts and who KO is. Once again you show that you have no idea who KO is and what he talked about on Countdown. Sorry but this is bashing post that has no truth behind it and shows that KO has no idea how to lie.
If you say different than you show that you do not know what honesty and facts are and never will. Keep showing that you are everything that you claim KO is and that KO is exact oppiste of what you say he is. Only people like you who love bullying and lies would beleive a made up igraont post about KO that anyone can debunk. Sorry but that is dshonest post and always will be. Thanks for making me love and respect KO more and show why he has no idea how to lie and that you have no idea how to tell the truth.
Also that is a made up name and a made up story here is who Gibson is because you love to post things that have been debunked and people that have zero idea what being human is here again is who Gibson is KO is not BB, thier is no such thing as bath tub boy that is something that was made up by John Gibson because KO was not allowed to call him worst person. Also anyone that uses that name shows that they have zero clue what being human is. John Gibson thought it was funny to make fun of Stewart’s pain on 911, he thought it was funny to make fun of Lugar’s suicude by his I could never quit you quto, UPDATE: John Gibson has “apologized” for his distasteful comments on Heath Ledger’s death. Though he first defended his statements on his radio show yesterday — there is “no point in passing up a good joke,” he said, and repeated his “Brokeback Mountain” joke saying, “I’m not giving that up” — he eventually caved to pressure to apologize and did so on his television show.
Still, his apology seemed forced, and relatively half-hearted:
Those who knew him say he was a good actor and a loving dad. And what happened to him was terrible, but was evidently an accident. Once again, to anyone offended by my comments, I’m sorry. But I’m also sorry that Heath Ledger is no longer alive and with us.
ThinkProgress has the audio of Gibson’s defense of his comments, and MediaMatters has the video of his “apology.”
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ORIGINAL ITEM: Fox News’ John Gibson found a way to outdo MSNBC’s Courtney Hazlett for the most inappropriate comment on Heath Ledger’s death. ThinkProgress reports that, on his radio show yesterday (which opened with funeral music), Gibson called Ledger a “weirdo” with a “serious drug problem.” Making fun of the famous “I wish I knew how to quit you” line from “Brokeback Mountain,” Gibson said of his death, “Well, he found out how to quit you.”
This is not Gibson’s first time making inappropriate comments in the wake of tragedy. In July 2005, just one day before the 7/7 terrorist bombings in London, Gibson said that “the International Olympic Committee missed a golden opportunity….If they had picked France instead of London to hold the Olympics, it would have been the one time we could look forward to where we didn’t worry about terrorism. They’d blow up Paris, and who cares?” The next day, after the London bombings, Gibson.
Also only people that live in alterante universes think that this is Obama’s Monica lewsinsky. Excuse me, were was the cover up, were was Obama lying, wow were was Obama having a affair with a intern. You really show that you have no idea what you talk about.
Also I love how you put out a made up Special Comment that KO never gave. Showing that you do not know what pardoy is. This story has nothing to do with KO, so keep showing how igonrant you are on KO and that you have zero clue what make believe aka pardoy sketch and reality are.
KO is not BB that is a made up story and anyone that uses it shows that they have zero idea what being human is.
Wow once again you show that you not KO are the immature one, and do not say different because that would be a lie. Only people that are igorant about who KO is and what immature behavior like you would believe those made up talking points, that again are debunked like everything that you say, and again I am someone who would care crap if Ko was that, that is how I know that KO is opposite of immature and that those talking points describe you to a tee.
Keep showing that you do not know what being human means, only people in alternate unvierses would believe the made up lie by Gibson that get’s debunked.
Keep lying and showing how igorant you are about who KO is, sorry KO is no crybaby that is who you and Gibson are.
Wow BG the only person that thinks that a made debunked story by a person that loves to make fun of people’s pain and thinks that making fun of sucide is funny. Please keep showing how igorant you are about KO and that you have no idea what being human means. You really make me respect KO more and show why he this generations Murrow. Sorry that story and name have been debunked over and over again, keep showing how igorant you are when it comes to truth. Now get off the blog and let people talk baseball.
Keep showing that you have no idea what tolerance is or who KO is and that you love to embarass yourself with your igorance, sorry but this post shows why KO is this generations Murrow and that you would bash Murrow if he were alive today, you have no idea what jouranlism is. Keep showing me that BG has no idea what facts are and is ingorant about what journalism and show just how igorant they are about who KO is.
By pewp_head on April 14, 2010 7:13 PM
I want to know how John Gibson calling Keith Olbermann Bathtub Boy is an ad hominem attack. Do you know what ad hominem means or are you just using that because you see smarter people than you posting that at the DailyKos?
MKDAWUSS said:
“Keith mentioned (on the Daily Kos at one time) his disagreements regarding the Lewinsky scandal. He said the media was making something out of a non-story that they just wouldn’t let go.”
Monika Lewinsky was an intern at the White House. Bill Clinton used his position of authority to have sex with her. If this happened anywhere in the private sector, say a CEO having sex with one of his company’s interns, that person would have been fired and sued for sexual harassment. But since a liberal president did it the liberal media covered for him, including Bathtub Boy (ok that may not be true since BB spent most of the time soaking in the tub rather then defending Clinton).
MKDAWUSS said:
“Speaking of baseless ad hominems toward Keith Olbermann, what’s with Mark Levin’s creepy fascination with Keith Olbermann’s sex life?”
This goes back to the racist discussion the other day. The whole point of anyone going after Olbermann for his sex life is to point out how much time Olbermann spends going after other people’s sex life. Look how much time Olbermann spent on Carrie Prejean’s breats, or how much time he spent on Scott Brown’s modeling career, or about Scott Brown’s wife’s music video appearance, or Mark Sanford’s sexual infidelity, or Bill O’Reilly’s supposed reading of playboy and on and on. Levin is only being absurd to point out the absurd.
“Well do you have a degree in economics?” :-1
“Yes ma’am, I do. Highest honors.”
“…ok”
Yeah, I’d call that being PWNED
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What does having a degree in econmics have to do with being paned, that is the most BS thing that I have heard in my life. krugman has a degree thier and I bet that you laugh at what he has to say. Having a degree even at any level HG does not mean that you are right about what is going on with the economy, the fact taht you use that without refuting anything that I posted shows that I was not being pawned and that you just did like the answers.
You really show that you are everything that you claim KO is. You do not even know how to refue stuff, people with econbomic degrees mo matter how pretisge have been wrong about the economic stuff, aka Milton and his trickle down econmics that republicans love to use.
Also here is what Krugman has to say about free market enterprise udging both from comments on this blog and from some of my mail, a significant number of Americans believe that the answer to our health care problems — indeed, the only answer — is to rely on the free market. Quite a few seem to believe that this view reflects the lessons of economic theory.
Not so. One of the most influential economic papers of the postwar era was Kenneth Arrow’s Uncertainty and the welfare economics of health care, which demonstrated — decisively, I and many others believe — that health care can’t be marketed like bread or TVs. Let me offer my own version of Arrow’s argument.
There are two strongly distinctive aspects of health care. One is that you don’t know when or whether you’ll need care — but if you do, the care can be extremely expensive. The big bucks are in triple coronary bypass surgery, not routine visits to the doctor’s office; and very, very few people can afford to pay major medical costs out of pocket.
This tells you right away that health care can’t be sold like bread. It must be largely paid for by some kind of insurance. And this in turn means that someone other than the patient ends up making decisions about what to buy. Consumer choice is nonsense when it comes to health care. And you can’t just trust insurance companies either — they’re not in business for their health, or yours.
This problem is made worse by the fact that actually paying for your health care is a loss from an insurers’ point of view — they actually refer to it as “medical costs.” This means both that insurers try to deny as many claims as possible, and that they try to avoid covering people who are actually likely to need care. Both of these strategies use a lot of resources, which is why private insurance has much higher administrative costs than single-payer systems. And since there’s a widespread sense that our fellow citizens should get the care we need — not everyone agrees, but most do — this means that private insurance basically spends a lot of money on socially destructive activities.
The second thing about health care is that it’s complicated, and you can’t rely on experience or comparison shopping. (“I hear they’ve got a real deal on stents over at St. Mary’s!”) That’s why doctors are supposed to follow an ethical code, why we expect more from them than from bakers or grocery store owners.
You could rely on a health maintenance organization to make the hard choices and do the cost management, and to some extent we do. But HMOs have been highly limited in their ability to achieve cost-effectiveness because people don’t trust them — they’re profit-making institutions, and your treatment is their cost.
Between those two factors, health care just doesn’t work as a standard market story.
All of this doesn’t necessarily mean that socialized medicine, or even single-payer, is the only way to go. There are a number of successful health-care systems, at least as measured by pretty good care much cheaper than here, and they are quite different from each other. There are, however, no examples of successful health care based on the principles of the free market, for one simple reason: in health care, the free market just doesn’t work. And people who say that the market is the answer are flying in the face of both theory and overwhelming evidence. Also here A well known adage warns us to never discuss politics or religion at the dinner table. But if – hypothetically – capitalism is our new religion, should the adage be changed to reflect that? As the US economy still struggles to turn around from the disconcerting downward spiral of the past year, this may be a dangerous (or at least socially reckless) question to consider, but that hasn’t stopped economist Paul Krugman from rising to the challenge. With the recent publication of his latest tome, The Return of Depression Economics and the Crisis of 2008, Krugman has updated his 1999 release to encompass the what, why, and how of today’s current financial woes and how they correlate with the events of the Great Depression.
In his book, Krugman states that it is impossible to discuss economic systems without the framework of the political systems that allow them to flourish – or in this case, to wither on the vine. Economics, as a subject, can rarely be described as easy reading, but Krugman’s dry wit and broad academic knowledge assist him in creating a book on misguided finance for the lay person – at a time when explanation is not only important but necessary.
Paul Ryan’s new budget is now out on its shakedown cruise, as they did with Broadway plays in the old movie musicals about Broadway shows, playing New Haven and Providence before hitting the Great White Way, as it were, when he officially unveils it Wednesday. Early reviews are deservedly brutal, because Ryan assumes the repeal of Obamacare and reverses his position from last year on the $716 billion Medicare savings, over which he and Mitt Romney used to savage Barack Obama but which Ryan now assumes. Even so, something tells me that when the plan is released in full, the “serious” people will applaud the effort and will implore the president to mimic Ryan’s alleged sincerity about deficit reduction. And that makes this week probably the most important week in his presidency for Obama to stand up and refuse to do that.
(L-R) Rep. Paul Ryan and President Barack Obama in March 2013. (AP)
You’ve probably followed what has happened so far. These two Ryan assumptions—about the repeal of Obamacare and his inclusion of the Medicare cuts that only last year he and Romney were calling brutal—expose his entire exercise for what it is: a wholly political act designed to do two things. The first is to maintain Ryan’s viability on the hard right as a 2016 presidential candidate. As I mentioned in a blog post yesterday, failure on his part to assume the repeal of Obamacare could have exposed him to vicious attacks from other wannabes and from the Limbaugh caucus. So there’s no way he could risk that.
Ryan’s second purpose with this budget is more substantive, and it’s the same purpose that drove his first two budgets. He wants to kickstart a process that leads to monstrous cuts in domestic discretionary programs and in entitlements. That’s what he’s really about. He certainly isn’t about balancing the budget. Ryan Budget I achieved balance in 2047. When that was laughed out of the park, he came back with Ryan Budget II, which achieved balance about a decade earlier. Mind you these “achievements of balance” were entirely chimerical anyway, because he wouldn’t say in either budget exactly what he was putting on the table in the realm of revenue, so it was actually impossible to say when they’d be balanced. But in any case, the point is that budgets that achieved balance in 25 or 30-odd years weren’t about attacking the deficit. What he really sought with those first two budgets was not to egg Washington toward deficit hawkery, but to egg it toward cuts to programs he doesn’t like—Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, other projects that assist poor people, keep the air clean, and perform all those bothersome functions that keep America’s potential Galts in chains.
That’s Ryan’s game. But give him points for catching on, however slowly. Now it’s finally dawned on him to put forward a budget that balances in 10 years. And so what we’re likely to see Wednesday and Thursday, despite the laughingstock that his budget already is to those who’ve been watching him closely, is a thunderous round of harrumphs from the likes of Pete Peterson, Maya MacGuineas, The Washington Post’s editorial page, Alan Simpson, Erskine Bowles, Alice Rivlin, and all the other folks who go around insisting that the budget deficit is our biggest problem.
It’s not. Jobs are still are our biggest problem. As Paul Krugman documented in his Monday column, the deficit is actually decreasing quite rapidly. It’s still high. But it’s tumbling down. And one thing that will make it tumble downward even further, of course, is putting more people to work, spurring more economic activity, leading to more investment and spending. The February jobs numbers were great, but a 7.7 percent unemployment rate is still too high. That’s what we need to be attacking. But the serious people think otherwise, and by Wednesday afternoon, Ryan will have set their hearts aflutter, and pressure will mount on Obama to develop a 10-year plan of his own.
That is the one thing he absolutely must not do under any circumstances. He has to acknowledge that the deficit is out there and is a problem; I don’t go as far as Krugman and some others do. The deficit is a political reality, and long-term it’s a substantive reality. Obama needs to take some steps toward bringing it down even more. But he can say that while also saying, and saying forcefully: I will not hop on the deficit hysteria bandwagon. I still believe the most important order of business for me is to create more jobs, first for the obvious reason that we want more people working and second because a stronger economy will lower the deficit more quickly and reliably than anything else. So yes, I want to get the deficit under long-term control, but I’m the president, I was reelected handily, and no combination of people is going to bully me into accepting their agenda or timetable.
Obama can’t spend the last three years of his presidency playing ball on Paul Ryan’s home field.
And then he ought to add: And let me remind everyone again. I have put deficit-reduction proposals on the table that bite on my side of the political aisle: pegging Social Security benefits to the so-called chained CPI, and asking higher-income seniors to pay more for Medicare. Those are real offers, and I expect to get something in return for them—some revenue from the Republican side. But of course they won’t budge an inch on that. So my advice to the people who are pushing me to cut the deficit on the Republicans’ terms is to also go to the GOP and implore them to play some ball, because they’re not.
Obama can’t spend the last three years of his presidency playing ball on Paul Ryan’s home field. That’s a recipe for political weakness and policy disaster. This is the week to draw his line in the sand and tell the deficit-hawk establishment who’s in charge.
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Alumahead
2 minutes ago
Austerity didn’t work in Europe, so it should work twice as well over here.
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leftistmenace_1
1 minute ago
@Alumahead American exceptionalism!
Funny how they always deride Europe’s good policies.
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napster
1 minute ago
@Alumahead Republicans dont need no stinking facts. Just their gut instinct and their understanding of how to run your family’s budget. Because running a country is just like running your family’s budget.
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jostasauce
2 minutes ago
…to egg it toward cuts to programs he doesn’t like—Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, other projects that assist poor people, keep the air clean, and perform all those bothersome functions that keep America’s potential Galts in chains.
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YES! Very well said, Mr. Tomasky. This is the core of hyper conservatives like Ryan. They aren’t nearly as concerned about debt as they pretend to be. The primary focus is reshaping American – right wing social engineering as Gingrich put it – into a form that strips the middle class and poor of all power while elevating the financial elite into unchecked royalty. Conservatives will deny this till they’re blue in the face, but its the truth.
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Alumahead
1 minute ago
@jostasauce
It’s their only truth.
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Left of Center
2 minutes ago
It is easy to understand why Ryan is so beloved by the right wingers who post here. His new budget is incontrovertible evidence that Ryan is…..well…. lets face it – a c*^t. An even bigger one than Eric Cantor.
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In-n-Out
1 minute ago
@Left of Center
wow
cantor pegs my c***-o-meter at 10 !
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napster
3 minutes ago
This budget is proof that Ryan’s presidential career is over. This crap budget shows his only future is congressional leadership.
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RogueBeast
1 minute ago
@napster
Maybe you should wait to see Ryan’s version instead of relying on Tomasky.
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leftistmenace_1
1 minute ago
@RogueBeast @napster It’s already a no-go. Obamacare isn’t going anywhere.
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In-n-Out
3 minutes ago
paukie was so smart he accepted th vp slot w romney
now, thats smart
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Joe Soyputo
3 minutes ago
How to outsmart Ryan? it shouldn’t be hard since he is dishing up the same pablum that cost them the election.
I thought we settled it in November: we are not going to screw working Ameircans at the behest of a congressman who has been feeding at the public trough most of his life, in order to benefit his rich masters.
Sorry to all you Judas Goats but you lost, deal with it.
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In-n-Out
2 minutes ago
@Joe Soyputo
paulie has gotten 95% of his lifetime income from govt checks
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BartholomewJ.WorthingtonIII
3 minutes ago
Kills terrorists.
Implements Individual Mandate.
One wife.
Loves his children.
Rich get even richer.
Wall Street at record highs.
Lowers INCOME taxes on 98% of workers.
Deports illegal aliens.
Cuts the deficit.
Barack Obama.
Best. Conservative. President. Ever.
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RogueBeast
3 minutes ago
@BartholomewJ.WorthingtonIII
I say we elect him for Life. How could we get anyone better?
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In-n-Out
2 minutes ago
@RogueBeast
jeb bush ?
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Jarbo1
8 minutes ago
Hit them with your man purse, Mr. President. If that doesn’t work, hold your breath and stomp your feet.
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Alumahead
7 minutes ago
@Jarbo1
So Obama should act like a House Republican?
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InLightened
7 minutes ago
The new threat is to take his toys and go back to the White House.
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Alumahead
6 minutes ago
@InLightened
While Republicans are all about compromise….
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Samandmax
6 minutes ago
@Jarbo1 Silly Jarbo, Congress has the purse strings. If you’d read the Constitution, you’d know that.
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In-n-Out
4 minutes ago
@Samandmax
he dont like that reedin stuff
herts his hed
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InLightened
11 minutes ago
Obama’s line in the sand.
If you guys dont go along with my plans I wont take you to dinner again!
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RogueBeast
10 minutes ago
@InLightened
………yeah. It’ll be catered pizza…………with NO 2-Litre soft drinks!!
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Samandmax
9 minutes ago
@RogueBeast @InLightened How’s that post-election crow been tasting?
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RogueBeast
4 minutes ago
@Samandmax @RogueBeast @InLightened
I’ve felt pretty sick since the election. I must be a Democrat now.
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LA
15 minutes ago
Hahahaha!! Jobs his main priority? He’s had 4 looonnnngg years to do something about jobs and hasn’t done squat yet! What makes you think he can and will do a thing about jobs, all this is is deflection! The truth is, Ryan is really making the president look bad!!! Love it!!
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In-n-Out
14 minutes ago
@LA
whereas ryan comes out looking like a moron
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Jarbo1
9 minutes ago
@In-n-Out @LA I thinks it’s precious that you choose your place of employment for your name.
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In-n-Out
6 minutes ago
@Jarbo1 @In-n-Outi know i am but what are you
jr high humor th best you can do ?
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Micklemoose1
13 minutes ago
@LA
He has created infinitely more jobs than the previous three republican presidents combined (they created zero net jobs).
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Alumahead
13 minutes ago
@LA
I’s so good to hear from the alternate universe.
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Samandmax
10 minutes ago
@LA So we’re still losing 700K jobs a month? You people haven’t done squat about your convenient amnesia, have you? Oh, and do tell how Obama can do squat without legislation.
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BartholomewJ.WorthingtonIII
7 minutes ago
@LA January 2009- 840 K jobs lost
February 2013 – 240 K jobs gained.
Yep. Looks like “squat” being done alright.
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BartholomewJ.WorthingtonIII
18 minutes ago
Maybe we could step back for a moment and discuss the elephant in the room.
None of the outstanding $17 Trillion debt to date has been caused by the “entitlement” programs that Ryan wants to cut in his “deficit reducing” budget.
In fact, a good portion of the outstanding debt is money owed TO these programs, which have been raided over the past 3 decades to fund other governmental functions.
So, how does cutting these programs lower the deficit?
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In-n-Out
17 minutes ago
ok heres how it works
a bunch of rich guys decide to have some wars, and get a fat tax break
now to pay for them, they need to cut your SS and medicare bennies
thats called republican fairness
got it now ?
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BartholomewJ.WorthingtonIII
13 minutes ago
@In-n-Out I appreciate the feedback of those who share similar views as myself, but I am really interested in hearing the viewpoint from someone who has a different viewpoint than mine on this oh-so-small oversight in this discussion.
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4nik8Repugs
10 minutes ago
@BartholomewJ.WorthingtonIII @In-n-Out I agree so much with you. However, there are no new ideas. Just the old ones of cut taxes and reduce discretionary spending. Cutting taxes didn’t work and there is no reason to believe their other ideas will work
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Micklemoose1
15 minutes ago
@BartholomewJ.WorthingtonIII
I am disinclined to believe the more outlandish attacks on the GOP simply by the application of Occam’s razor. However, it is getting harder and harder to disbelieve that the GOP really does hate the needy. They seem intent on stealing from them to feed the rich at the very least.
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In-n-Out
13 minutes ago
@Micklemoose1
thats why taco bvell invented th new chaluopa
mange, bambinos , mange
a nice larding makes for good pot roast
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RayRuserious
21 minutes ago
Why the passion to cut all these programs? ….So he and his cronies don’t have to pay their fair share of taxes… will the greed ever end?
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Grammers_1
20 minutes ago
@RayRuserious
When the Tea People are finally booted out.
Morning honey!
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morning doll…
RayRuserious
19 minutes ago
@Grammers_1
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In-n-Out
18 minutes ago
no porn chat pls
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Grammers_1
18 minutes ago
@In-n-Out
LOL – we promise
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RayRuserious
17 minutes ago
@Grammers_1 @In-n-Out lol…easy to avoid…
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Grammers_1
16 minutes ago
@RayRuserious @Grammers_1 @In-n-Out
If only they knew…LOL
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RayRuserious
16 minutes ago
@Grammers_1 @RayRuserious @In-n-Out LMFAO!!!!!!
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In-n-Out
15 minutes ago
@RayRuserious
pls no masturbating while chatting
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Grammers_1
15 minutes ago
@In-n-Out @RayRuserious
That’s a promise…
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RayRuserious
15 minutes ago
@In-n-Out @RayRuserious what you got s e x on the brain?..lolrelax
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Grammers_1
14 minutes ago
@RayRuserious
Should we reveal ourselves?
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RayRuserious
14 minutes ago
@Grammers_1 @In-n-Out @RayRuserious hard to type…lol…
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Grammers_1
14 minutes ago
@RayRuserious @Grammers_1 @In-n-Out
Let me handle it…OK?
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RayRuserious
13 minutes ago
@Grammers_1 @RayRuserious your call
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In-n-Out
13 minutes ago
@Grammers_1 @RayRuserious
NO
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Grammers_1
12 minutes ago
@RayRuserious @Grammers_1 @In-n-Out
Ray is an extremely beautiful female, I’m a male…pretty easy on the eyes. S e x u a l l y ,the only thing we have in common is that we;re both into dudes.
So…there you go.
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In-n-Out
11 minutes ago
@Grammers_1 @RayRuserious
is ray a french model ?
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Grammers_1
11 minutes ago
@In-n-Out @Grammers_1 @RayRuserious
Could certainly pass for one.
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RayRuserious
10 minutes ago
@Grammers_1 @In-n-Out @RayRuserious AWWWWWW you are very sweet Bobby
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In-n-Out
10 minutes ago
and you believe this on th basis of pix ?
listen i have $ 3 mill in a nigerian bank acct, if you send me your bank code , ill deposit….
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Grammers_1
9 minutes ago
@RayRuserious @Grammers_1 @In-n-Out
Just being honest doll – you remind me of that model Gia…before the drug stuff…
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In-n-Out
9 minutes ago
@RayRuserious @Grammers_1
chix love gay guys
non threatening and they go shopping w them
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Grammers_1
9 minutes ago
@In-n-Out
We are friends outside of this site…trust me, she’s yummy!
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In-n-Out
8 minutes ago
@Grammers_1
wasted on you though
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Grammers_1
8 minutes ago
@In-n-Out @RayRuserious @Grammers_1
Stereotype much?
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In-n-Out
8 minutes ago
@Grammers_1 @In-n-Out @RayRuserious
you said youre into dudes
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RayRuserious
8 minutes ago
@In-n-Out I have no reason to misrepresent myself to Bobby, what sway him with my female qualities.?..lol that ship sailed a while back
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Grammers_1
7 minutes ago
@In-n-Out @Grammers_1
Nope – friendship is the best relationship…especially built on trust and honesty.
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RayRuserious
6 minutes ago
@In-n-Out so… we can’t be friends and he can’t think I am attractive… you really need to get out more
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Grammers_1
5 minutes ago
@RayRuserious @In-n-Out
Out of the 1950′s
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In-n-Out
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@Grammers_1
im gonna puke
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Grammers_1
4 minutes ago
@In-n-Out @Grammers_1
I’ll hold your hair back,honey
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RayRuserious
2 minutes ago
@Grammers_1 Gia is beautiful… I am slightly fairer with blue eyes…. lol
Hey InnOut next time Grammers and I say hi… let it go…k…
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Grammers_1
2 minutes ago
@RayRuserious
That was a hoot! LOL
I’ll be back doll…gotta do the birds.
Peace, my Goddess
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RayRuserious
1 minute ago
@Grammers_1 @RayRuserious LOL do the birds… sound so fun… I will be back later to…dentist…
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This is a guy that people that you support love to go after, and he has a degree in economics and a noble prize in econmoics that is how BS you post is. Keep showing how igoranrt you are about subjects.
Wow
I love how instead of refuting what I say that KO is not that, you put up a post by someone that agrees with you and thinks that showing what a ad homein is. First Levin does not point out the absurd and he lying about what KO does. First with Prejean KO only talked about what was going on 1. Considering her position as a spokesperson for The National Organization for Marriage, isn’t Prejean obligated to be more informed about the topics – such as adoption and civil unions – that are so central to this hotly-debated issue?
2. Throughout her ordeal, Prejean has said she’s been persecuted and mocked for her beliefs, while constantly stating these attacks won’t shut her up because she has the right express her opinion. Hmmm, doesn’t that sound exactly like the group of people she doesn’t believe should legally wed?
In an ironic twist, more than ever before, can’t Prejean actually relate to the gay community now?
Olbermann on Prejean
Watch and listen to Olbermann’s take on Prejean above.
Then, follow this article’s jump to read an utterly ridiculous, mindless quote recently uttered by this beauty queen.
“Marriage is good. There is something special about unions of husband and wife. Unless we bring men and women together, children will not have mothers and fathers,” Prejean said.
We know many people are sick of this issue, but we need to analyze this quote. After all, this is the person The National Organization for Marriage has named as speaking for it, right?
Marriage is good, Carrie? So is spaghetti. What kind of vague statement is that?!?
If marriage really is so “good,” why are you against extending it to other couples in love?
And why do one-half of married couples in America disagree with you?
We’d love to hear how Prejean plans to “bring men and women together.”
Is she advocating for more orgies in the country? It sounds that way.
- See more at: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/05/keith-olbermann-tackles-carrie-prejean-hypocrisy/#sthash.xoFKspHC.dpuf
I love how prewej is just as igorant as you are about what KO talks about on Countdown, KO did not go after Prejen because of her breasts, he went after her because of something that HG and that blogger who like you never bothered to watch Countdown because of her hypocrisy, she kept saying that she was a pure Chrstian The suit also claims Moakler and Lewis improperly revealed that Miss California USA had paid for Prejean’s breast implants.
Moakler’s attorney, Mel Avanzado, said in a statement that Prejean’s lawsuit was without merit.
“More importantly, as everyone who watched or read her public statements is well aware, Ms. Prejean’s unfortunate and bigoted statements are responsible for any public humiliation or damages to her reputation that she has claimed to have suffered,” Avanzado wrote. “Ms. Moakler strenuously denies that she did anything wrong and looks forward to proving that in a court of law.”
Prejean is also suing publicist Roger Neal, who handles press for Miss California USA and Lewis.
Neal said he could not immediately comment on the lawsuit.
The lawsuit accuses Lewis, Moakler and Neal of using Internet sites such as Facebook and Twitter to post disparaging remarks about Prejean.
The lawsuit does not name Donald Trump, who owns Miss California USA’s parent organization and who in May refused to fire Prejean, a decision he reversed a month later.
The suit states Trump authorized Prejean’s appearance on the “Fox and Friends” show in May and a Shape magazine interview, both of which were sighted by Lewis as unauthorized public appearances by the beauty queen.
The complaint does not state a specific dollar figure that Prejean is seeking. It claims she has been subject to public ridicule and humiliation and lost out on modeling work because she lost her crown. She has also suffered anxiety, depression and loss of sleep since her firing, the lawsuit states.
She was the one that meatined that in her suit, so KO repaeting is not talking about sex. On the Scott Brown thing KO has apologized for that one Keith Olbermann apologized for his comments about Massachusetts Senator-Elect Scott Brown Friday night just one day after being called out by Jon Stewart over the remarks.
Monday night, Olbermann described Brown as “an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea-bagging supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees.”
The comment was immediately met with criticism from the right, most notably from Olbermann’s own MSNBC colleague Joe Scarborough, who described the comment as “reckless.”
Olbermann responded to that criticism by doubling down the next night, adding “sexist” to his litany of complaints against Brown.
But on Thursday’s “Daily Show,” Stewart described Olbermann’s comments as “the harshest description of anyone I’ve ever heard uttered on MSNBC” and performed an impression of Olbermann’s trademark special comments.
Friday, Olbermann played Stewart’s critique in full, offered himself as a guest for “The Daily Show,” and responded with an apology.
“You know what, you’re right,” Olbermann said to Stewart. “I have been a little over the top lately. Point taken. Sorry.” When has Gibson apologized for making fun of John Stewart’s pain on 911 and saying that we need another one, also KO never read out of Oreilly’s playbook, so you are saying that smater people than this makdus on daily kos are talking about KO, wow that blogger like you have no idea what being smart is.
Also excuse me what planet do you live on people in the work place even a CEo would not be fired for having sex with an intern, that is how BS this person post is, also were this person saying that NG should have been fired for having affairs of his own I am sure by now that many of you have heard that Newt Gingrich, (Republican presidential candidate) second wife had stated that Gingrich had told her that he had wanted an open marriage, or sex with other people. Oh by the way, he was already having an affair with this wife for years with another woman. But wait, Newt had an affair with his first wife, with the future second wife, years before! L. H. Carter, who was Gingrich’s campaign treasurer, stated that Gingrich said of Gingrich’s first wife, “She’s not young enough or pretty enough to be the wife of the President. And besides, she has cancer.”
Here are some other things that that Newt has said. Here is why he said he had an affair:
“There’s no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate. And what I can tell you is that when I did things that were wrong, I wasn’t trapped in situation ethics, I was doing things that were wrong, and yet, I was doing them.”
Yes, Newt had an affair for you and me. He did it for our nation. He could have served in Vietnam (like every Republican candidate old enough he was never there) but no, he served our nation in a much more heroic fashion.
Newt of course is someone trying to “protect” marriage from gays and lesbians. See, if gays can marry, that means people like Newt will have even more affairs. Instead of being on his 3rd marriage, he might be on his 6th! and here were you this person and you saying how bad that was. I study history and I love how you and this person are so clueless wheh it comes to it, we had president’s that had affaris all the time and congressmen and senators that does not mean that we have whole impeachment trails over it, that is pure BS, a president cheating on his wife is not treason and that is what peachment is about is saying that president went against the constitution, so no this was a BS story, the president should have just been censored and got on with this, KO was right to not want to do the story. Also him protesting does not show that story is true, the only people that say this are sites that have been known to lie and post hateful things, so sorry that story has no proof.
Also here is who Mark Levin is and why I would not believe anything that he had to say, he does not mock the abustry from what I have seen about him, he does not Back in November, a man referring to himself as “Jeff” called right-wing radio host Mark Levin’s show claiming to have information about President Obama’s health care law. Jeff claimed to be a “brain surgeon” who had just “returned from Washington, D.C.,” where he and other neurological doctors had reviewed a document allegedly issued by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) regarding “Obama’s new health care plan for advanced neurosurgical care.”
Jeff went on to claim that the document “did not call [patients older than 70] patients, they called them units” and stated that “if you’re over 70 and you’d come into an emergency room and you’re on government-supported health care that you get comfort care” instead of medically necessary neurological surgery. Jeff further claimed the document mandated “ethics committee[s],” to which Levin replied: “So, Sarah Palin was right. We’re going to have these death panels, aren’t we?” Jeff responded, “Oh, absolutely,” and made a comparison to Nazi Germany.
The interaction was picked up by the usual right-wing media outlets, hungry for new fodder to keep their long-debunked “death panel” myth alive. On November 29, Fox Nation posted audio of thecall on Levin’s show under the headline, “Neurosurgeon Dishes on Obamacare ‘Death Panels’, Administration Calls Patients ‘Units.’ ” From Fox Nation:
Levin says conservatives “stand on the shoulders of the great philosophers” who progressives “reject”
Video ››› June 9, 2009 10:01 PM EDT ››› MEDIA MATTERS STAFF
So I would not listen to anything he had to say about anything. You once again show how igorant you are and that you hate listening to truth and being debunked so you post stuff from people that agree with you and just like can easily be debunked and show that they are the ones that doing the ad homein attacks and that they are showing to support people that KO and someone on the street is smart than both Gisbon and Levin. SOrry but that just shows how made up that BB story is and that you care nothing about truth, once again you show that you are igorant on who KO is and what honesty is.
Also here is how hypocritical Prejean was Pageant organizers investigated Prejean for violating the terms of her contract after a photograph of Prejean partially nude with her back turned to the camera appeared on a celebrity gossip blog. Prejean defended the shots as legitimate modeling,[36][37] and Miss USA owner Donald Trump agreed, stating, “We are in the 21st century. We have determined the pictures taken are fine” and that “in some cases the pictures were lovely.”[38] Trump went on to compare Prejean’s views on same sex-marriage as being in line with those of President Barack Obama,[39] and National Organization for Marriage president Maggie Gallagher stated on May 5 that the release would not affect Prejean’s role with her group.[36]
Despite his initial support, Trump agreed to terminate Prejean’s contract on June 10, 2009, citing “continued breach of contract issues.”[3] Prejean claimed that K2 Productions, producers of the Miss California USA pageant, wanted her to pose for Playboy and appear on the reality television show I’m a Celebrity… Get Me out of Here!, though K2 Productions executive Keith Lewis claimed he was simply notifying Prejean of all offers for appearances.[3] In August 2009, Prejean sued Miss California USA officials on a variety of civil grounds, including libel, slander, religious discrimination and the unauthorized release of private medical records.[40] K2 Productions and pageant officials filed counterclaims seeking the profits from Prejean’s forthcoming book, which it claims was written in violation of the Miss California USA contract, and the return of $5,200 loaned to Prejean for breast implants.[41] On November 3, 2009, Prejean and K2 announced a settlement with undisclosed terms, with both sides dropping their lawsuits.[42] CNN subsequently reported that Prejean’s settlement with Miss California USA officials was driven by the discovery of a videotape in which Prejean was partaking in graphic sexual acts. She appeared to be partaking in these actions
This is what KO was talking about as was everyone else, also here Pageant organizers investigated Prejean for violating the terms of her contract after a photograph of Prejean partially nude with her back turned to the camera appeared on a celebrity gossip blog. Prejean defended the shots as legitimate modeling,[36][37] and Miss USA owner Donald Trump agreed, stating, “We are in the 21st century. We have determined the pictures taken are fine” and that “in some cases the pictures were lovely.”[38] Trump went on to compare Prejean’s views on same sex-marriage as being in line with those of President Barack Obama,[39] and National Organization for Marriage president Maggie Gallagher stated on May 5 that the release would not affect Prejean’s role with her group.[36]
Despite his initial support, Trump agreed to terminate Prejean’s contract on June 10, 2009, citing “continued breach of contract issues.”[3] Prejean claimed that K2 Productions, producers of the Miss California USA pageant, wanted her to pose for Playboy and appear on the reality television show I’m a Celebrity… Get Me out of Here!, though K2 Productions executive Keith Lewis claimed he was simply notifying Prejean of all offers for appearances.[3] In August 2009, Prejean sued Miss California USA officials on a variety of civil grounds, including libel, slander, religious discrimination and the unauthorized release of private medical records.[40] K2 Productions and pageant officials filed counterclaims seeking the profits from Prejean’s forthcoming book, which it claims was written in violation of the Miss California USA contract, and the return of $5,200 loaned to Prejean for breast implants.[41] On November 3, 2009, Prejean and K2 announced a settlement with undisclosed terms, with both sides dropping their lawsuits.[42] CNN subsequently reported that Prejean’s settlement with Miss California USA officials was driven by the discovery of a videotape in which Prejean was partaking in graphic sexual acts. She appeared to be partaking in these actions also here “On April 19 on that stage I exercised my freedom of speech, and I was punished for doing so. This should not happen in America,”
Which did not happen here is what the article said But it’s not! The government did not punish her for her answer, a private organization did and that is not a violation of her freedom of speech.
Over at Big Hollywood, Melanie Morgan compares the media controversy over Miss Prejean’s answer to 1950s era McCarthyism:
Leo Penn, the father of famous actor Sean Penn, was hauled before the House Committee on Un-American Activities (the McCarthy hearings) during the 1950s and harassed, spied upon and ultimately blacklisted for his political views.
But no one is dragging Miss Prejean before Congress to testify about her beliefs, and the government is not involved. A private beauty pageant and several private media companies are. The Miss USA pageant does not owe Carrie Prejean a crown and it is free to award or not award her a crown according to whatever criteria it chooses, including disliking her political beliefs. That criterion may be wrong and you may disagree with it (as I do in this case), but that doesn’t mean Prejean’s rights are being violated.
In her editorial, Morgan goes on to ask: “So where are the free-speech warriors? How about Sean Penn and the rest of the Hollywood elitists who think the First Amendment was written solely for their benefit?” How were her free speech rights being violated? Because the rest of the media has exercised its free speech rights in criticizing what she said? The way the article reads, Morgan seems to be suggesting that Carrie Prejean’s freedom of speech somehow nullifies the rest of ours. That to criticize her for speaking is a violation of her freedom of speech. But what about our freedom of speech?
Everyone has the right to say what they want about Carrie Prejean’s political beliefs no matter how wrong, stupid, or ugly. And everyone else has the right to say that those criticisms are wrong, stupid, and ugly. So far, I have exercised my own freedom of speech to defend Prejean, to criticize her critics, to criticize Prejean, and to defend her critics. Figure that out! It’s amazing how the fierce pursuit of truth leads you to see all the nuance in controversies such as this.
Hopefully the world will come to understand that the proper exercise of our freedom of speech, is in the earnest pursuit of truth, uninhibited by forcible interference from others. Hopefully we will all begin to see that misunderstanding and misrepresenting this fundamental human right does great injury to it. Here’s hoping.
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This person defended her This week Carrie Prejean has been making headlines once again because of an investigation into some semi-nude photos that may have disqualified her from retaining her crown as Miss California. As it turned out, pageant owner Donald Trump allowed her to retain her crown, saying “We’ve made a determination that the pictures taken were acceptable. Some were risque, but we are in the 21st century.”
Furthermore, he defended her answer to Perez Hilton during the Miss USA Pageant and started another controversy by saying “It’s the same answer the president of the United States gave. It’s the same answer many people gave. She gave an honorable answer. She gave an answer from her heart, and I think for that she has to be commended.”
Last month when the controversy broke, I wrote in defense of Carrie Prejean, arguing that her answer exemplified perfect tolerance and noting that she “did not say that gay marriage should remain illegal in the other states. She said in fact, that she thinks it’s great that Americans can choose one or the other.” Though I did criticize her for fumbling over the answer, not directly addressing the question, and not offering the best possible answer (which I formulated at the end of the post). Well today I have some sharper criticisms for her, particularly for the speech she gave at the press conference with Donald Trump.
This is what KO was calling out with her, it called hypocrisy, so once again you show how igorant you are about who KO is and what was going on there. Keep making me love and respect him more and more.
• Dajuro 11 months ago
Olbermann said that the Times Square bomber was probably a member of the Tea Party.
He said the Ft Hood shooter was probably a conservative Obama hater.
Even worse, when the Taliban was squirting acid into the faces of little girls, he was calling conservatives the “worst people in the world”. Never even mentioned what the Taliban were doing .
Olbermann isn’t just an uneducated, dishonest, effeminate metrosexual – – he’s also a monster .
BG 11 months ago
And a cunt.
• Whateverhappentocomm 11 months ago
Great points
++
• Dajuro 11 months ago
Olbermann said that the Times Square bomber was probably a member of the Tea Party.
He said the Ft Hood shooter was probably a conservative Obama hater.
Even worse, when the Taliban was squirting acid into the faces of little girls, he was calling conservatives the “worst people in the world”. Never even mentioned what the Taliban were doing .
Olbermann isn’t just an uneducated, dishonest, effeminate metrosexual – – he’s also a monster .
BG 11 months ago
And a cunt.
• Whateverhappentocomm 11 months ago
Great points
+++
• Dajuro 11 months ago
Olbermann said that the Times Square bomber was probably a member of the Tea Party.
He said the Ft Hood shooter was probably a conservative Obama hater.
Even worse, when the Taliban was squirting acid into the faces of little girls, he was calling conservatives the “worst people in the world”. Never even mentioned what the Taliban were doing .
Olbermann isn’t just an uneducated, dishonest, effeminate metrosexual – – he’s also a monster .
BG 11 months ago
And a cunt.
• Whateverhappentocomm 11 months ago
Great points
++++
moderators can you please take the troll off and let people talk baseball, but also please show that you are everything that you claim KO is and that you have zero idea who KO is and what Countdown is, MKduss
was smarter than you and the blogger who agreed with you combined, that blogger only showed that they have never watched Countdown and that they have no idea what fact is and what a adhomien is. Anyone is more smarter than Levin and Gibson, those two have no idea what facts are just like you and blogger do not. Your posts just make me love KO more and more and show why he this generations Murrow.
• Dajuro 11 months ago
Olbermann said that the Times Square bomber was probably a member of the Tea Party.
He said the Ft Hood shooter was probably a conservative Obama hater.
Even worse, when the Taliban was squirting acid into the faces of little girls, he was calling conservatives the “worst people in the world”. Never even mentioned what the Taliban were doing .
Olbermann isn’t just an uneducated, dishonest, effeminate metrosexual – – he’s also a monster .
BG 11 months ago
And a cunt.
• Whateverhappentocomm 11 months ago
Great points
+
Al-Qaida memo to Bin Laden warns of ‘cunning methods’ of US news networks
Al-Qaida spokesman Adam Gadahn a fan of 60 Minutes but said Fox News ‘lacks neutrality’ and CBS is ‘close to being unbiased’
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Adam Gadahn wrote that MSNBC ‘may be good and neutral a bit’, but he changed his mind when it fired Keith Olbermann. Photograph: AP Photo/Mark J Terrill
Osama bin Laden pondered the merits of US television news channels as he considered how to extract the best propaganda benefit from the tenth anniversary of 9/11 last year, and concluded that CBS was “close to being unbiased”.
But an American-born media adviser for al-Qaeda warned Bin Laden to beware of the broadcasters’ “cunning methods” as he described Fox News as a channel in the “abyss” that should “die in anger”, CNN as too close to the US government and MSNBC as questionable after it fired one of its most prominent presenters, Keith Olbermann.
In a memorandum made public by the US military’s Combating Terrorism Center on Thursday, Bin Laden asked for advice on exploiting the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.
“We need to benefit from this event and get our messages to the Muslims and celebrate the victory that they achieved. We need to restore their confidence in their nation and motivate them. We should also present our just cause to the world, especially to the European people,” he said.
Bin Laden suggested contacting Al-Jazeera.
“You can point out to them that this way they will be showing the other opinion,” he said.
But he also wondered if it would be good to work with an American channel, suggesting CBS as “close to being unbiased”. Bin Laden added that the organisation should approach a British journalist, Robert Fisk of the Independent, and other reporters to press home the message that the major powers would be better concentrating on climate change than pursuing al-Qaida. He wrote:
“This is a chance to explain our motives for continuing the war. The wise people would tell you to give people their rights in order to be able to focus on other vital issues such as global warming. They have the option to stop the war, but we do not have any option, except to defend our nation. This is a conflict between the biggest cultures in the world at a time when the climate is changing rapidly.”
A US-born al-Qaida spokesman, Adam Gadahn, wrote back to Bin Laden laying the merits or otherwise of using US news stations to mark the “Manhattan battle” as it is referred to in the memo.
Fox News is dismissed because it “falls into the abyss as you know, and lacks neutrality too”.
“I used to think that MSNBC channel may be good and neutral a bit, but is has lately fired two of the most famous journalists – Keith Olbermann and Octavia Nasser the Lebanese,” wrote Gadahn.
In fact, Nasser was sacked from CNN after she sent a tweet mourning the death of a Hezbollah leader. Olbermann was dismissed for making financial donations to Democratic party politicians.
CNN is questioned, although its Arabic “version brings good and detailed reports”.
“As for the neutrality of CNN in English, it seems to be in cooperation with the government more than the others (except Fox News of course),” he said.
Gadhan describes ABC as “all right”:
“Actually it could be one of the best channels, as far as we are concerned. It is interested in al-Qaida issues, particularly the journalist Brian Ross, who is specialised in terrorism. The channel is still proud for its interview with the shaykh (Bin Laden),” he said. “CBS channel was mentioned by the shaykh. I see that it is like the other channels, but it has a famous programme (60 Minutes) that has some popularity and a good reputation for its long broadcasting time. Only god knows the reality, as I am not really in a position to do so.”
The merits and shortcomings of other major US broadcasters are considered before Gadahn decided he couldn’t make his mind up and worried that al-Qaida’s message may come under critical scrutiny. He wrote:
“In conclusion, we can say that there is no single channel that we could rely on for our messages. I may ignore them, and even the channel that broadcast them, probably it would distort them somehow. This is accomplished by bringing analysts and experts that would interpret its meaning in the way they want it to be. Or they may ignore the message and conduct a smearing of the individuals, to the end of the list of what you know about their cunning methods.”
“In general, and no matter what material we send, I suggest that we should distribute it to more than one channel, so that there will be healthy competition between the channels in broadcasting the material, so that no other channel takes the lead. It should be sent for example to ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN and maybe PBS and VOA. As for Fox News, let her die in her anger.”
Gadahn also mentions sending “special media material” on the 9/11 anniversary to a number of newspaper journalists around the world, including Fisk. The intent, he said, is to “show the fairness of our case to the whole world and the European peoples in particular”.
As it turned out, the advice was not required. Bin Laden was killed four months before the anniversary.
You show that you have no idea what the real world is and what a fantasy world is. First these are not Bin Laden’s thoughts so you show that once again OO does not know what a fact is from a lie. Here is a thing about this post that you shows once again why KO is this generations Murrow and unlike you never lies, Sprinkled between rants about mobilizing jihadi fighters and destroying the United States, there’s an a lot of commentary about the American media in the recently released Osama bin Laden letters. Media types have been quick to blog and tweet about the names of media outlets, pundits, and shows that make bin Laden the Terrorist sound like bin Laden the Media Critic. The only problem is that Bin Laden probably didn’t write these things.
Brett LoGiurato collected a few of lines at Business Insider like, “I used to think that MSNBC channel may be good and neutral a bit but has lately fired two of the most famous journalists – Keith Olberman and Octavia Nasser the Lebanese,” reads one. “It should be sent for example to ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN and maybe PBS and VOA,” reads another one discussing where al Qaeda should send their message marking the tenth anniversary of September 11. “As for Fox News, let her die in her anger.”
Unfortunately for the media geeks, these letters aren’t quoting bin Laden’s actual thoughts about Fox News and Keith Olbermann. Rather, they’re channeling the disdain of American-born jihadist Adam Gadahn who advised Bin Laden on media matters. Back in March, The Washington Post’s David Ignatius attributed the letter that includes the quotes about MSNBC, Fox News and the other networks not to Bin Laden but to Gadahn. The document itself doesn’t provide any attribution. And while it might be amusing to imagine bin Laden leaning back and yelling at Bill O’Reilly and cheering on Olbermann’s famous rants, it probably didn’t happen that way. Also I guess in your world ABC and CBS are just as bad as KO because oh my god Gadin meationed them also, including Brian Ross, that is how pathic your post is, and once again shows that you igorant when it comes to KO and do not say different because that would be a lie. Here because you love to show your igorance on subjects is another part of this BS letter you love to bash KO with In conclusion,” he laments, “we can say that there is no single channel that we could rely on for our messages.” Wow KO must be so bad How much of a alternative reality do you live in. I letter written by Adam Goshlin saying that BIn ladin likes KO, shows excatly how KO disortes reality, that is proably the most stupidiest thing I have ever heard and any person that likes to think and use thier brain which you do not, know that has nothing to do with weither KO this generations Murrow which he is, and weither he disorts truth which is been proven to be BS John over and over again. I do not care what Bin Laden likes and dislikes, I am not going to believe that FOx tells truth because of a letter. That is how BS this post is and just how made up your argument is. Also I have a hard time believeing a letter that lies about why KO is not at MSNBC, it been debunked over and over again that he was fired. JOhn you do not so a last show if you are fired, he only been fired from two times and both were not even his fault and I think that KO has a ego and that is not prefect and care nothing about his personality. Firing for telling the truth on Fox Sports. Oh by the way, Fox is the station that altertatives reality and shown to do it over and over again, but that one that Bin Laden was suppose to not like, that is how BS and made up your agrument is, I think that ABC tells the truth and that CNN is okay, and Bin Laden in that letter was suppose to like that too, keep making crap up, also he brain was not damged, wow love how you name call people, how is KO telling truth to power is showing that he alternates reality and that he has brain damge, that is does not make sense. John keep lying about KO and making crap up, Fox with thier made up facts are the ones that show to alternate reality over and over again, KO who calls them out along with other hate mongers is the one that unlike you lives in the real world and has never had brain damage, and keep believing crap like a letter that was suppose to have been written by a terriost shows that KO is bad, wow I guess if Bin laden was saying that Limbuagh or Malkin were bad you would hate them too because he said so, that is how BS your agrument is. People like you really show why KO is and always will be this generations Murrow and why he pratices something that you have no idea what is and that is called joruanlism and he unlike you is honesty and tolerant. You show that you cannot comprehend that a letter that written by not even Bin laden is suppose to make everyone believe that ABC, CNN and even KO are bad and Fox is good, again anyone that has something that JOHn has never heard of and that is called reason knows that is BS and makes no sense. JOhn people like you really show why I love and respect KO and make me love and respect him more. Keep putting up BS posts that make no sense and shows that KO is exact opposite of what you want him to be. John learn that KO is a journalist that tells the truth to power, he has called out hate and lies, that is not John what a alternate reality looks like, that is what the a real jouranlist looks like. Keep showing that you would not alternate reality is. YOu love to live in one all the time with your made up BS about KO and thinking that a letter that was not even written by Bin laden shows that KO is bad, sorry that is not and will never be true, just like Fox will always live in alternate realities and be the laughing stock of jouranlism and that is what the letter says Bin laden hates, that is how BS and stupid your post is John, KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me, sorry you got unjustily fired from Current and will be pissed if you do not get the justice that you deserve for being unjustily fired from there, also keep being yourself and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life,and you I will always follow and be loyal like you are to your fans and showed your fans with what happened at Current, know anyone that says different is lying and believeing Current’s debunked talking points. Love you faults and all. Once again you think that a letter that came from a guy that was not Bin laden shows that KO is bad. You really do live in a alternate reality have no idea who KO is. This post like ever other post you put up shows why KO is this generations Murrow and why you are igorant on who he is. Again all you do is make me love and respect him more and embarrass yourself by showing your ingorance on who KO is. You really do not know what facts are. I love that once again you put up a pathic post that once again shows that KO can never lie and that you igorant when it comes to who KO is and what journalism is. Keep making me love and respect KO more and more. KO again sorry that you got unjustily fired at Current and will not be happy if you do not get the justice that you deserve. Keep being yourself, in that never change your ego, and personality or anything else, what makes me a fan is that you are human. Keep being that and you will always be perment on my wall, ipod and ipad and life. Love you faults and all.
OO keep showing that you have zero clue who KO is and that you love to show how igorant you are when it comes to him, this is one of the most pathic and stupidiest things that I have read tonight.
I love how igorant you are that you think that because someone that claims to be with a terroist like Bin laden that all of a sudden that shows that this networks are bad, keep embarrassing yourself with your lies and igorance, you agian show why KO is this generations MUrrow.
Modoratoers please get rid of the troll and thier igorance about who KO is and what Occupy is, and let people talk baseball.
This troll shows why KO is this generations Murrow and why I will always be a fan, KO keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me, will not be happy if you do not get the justice you deserve for being unjustily fired, keep being yourself and you will always have a fan in me. Now let baseball talk commend
Again get troll off the blog and let us talk baseball
Just wanted to thank “history” for ruining what at one point was a pretty awesome comment section. So what if idiotic, right-wing trolls come buzzing around a baseball blog? Their tiny posts and pathetic swipes at Keith are easily ignored by everyone else, and the focus stays on baseball. Yours, on the other hand, have wrecked this place. This blog is not about you, though to see you reply to every single post, either with, “Great insight. Thanks.” or your ten thousand word screeds, one would think that you co-write this. Please, for the love of God, go find another hobby. Your excruciatingly long-winded, sycophantic rants are every bit as painful to read as ANY of the stupid jabs the trolls throw out. The defense you use, “I’m just setting the record straight, refuting the lies and defending Keith” holds absolutely no water. If Keith cared at all, he’d be here, doing it himself. So again, please, keep your mouth shut, your eyes open, and ignore the microcephalic trolls. You might actually learn something about baseball. And you’d be letting the dozens of people who used to comment here (on Keith’s actual topic) have their blog back.
Wow
Steve
Thanks for showing that you think it better to attack me than actually take the site back. Steve get this in your head I am not the one runing this site that is pure BS, alsoI have learned about baseball, so you are wrong on that point and I not going to keep my mouth shut when I see someone being bullied, also sorry but only people like you who think that ignoring trolls and bullies and hoping that they go away would think that line would not hold water. Get your head out of the sand and realize that I am not and my posts are not what is runied this site, ignoring trolls Steve is not going to get this site back and you are living in alternate reality when you think that is going to be true, so instead of attacking me and trying to make me the problem, go after the trolls and tell the moderator to have them go, if you do not than your site will always be runied because me not going after them Steve does not work and never will.
Also I care nothing what KO thinks about that, if he hated it I would still be a fan and still do what I do, Steve you even show that you do not even know why I do what I do. Steve I do it because I hate bullies, if you would actually listen you would have seen me defending Occupy, MSNBC and others that is how made up this post, also I know something that you seem to not get that ignoring the trolls are not going to bring this site back and it not going get back on baseball, maybe instead of attacking me Steve you should actaully think about why this site is being runied and tell the moderators to get the trolls off. Also I am not going to shut up and that is not going happen, when I see bullying I feel I have to respond because I hate that, so Steve sorry but this has nothing to do with KO, this has to do with bullying and always will.
… @STEVE:
FROM YOUR LIPS (KEYBOARD) TO THE EARS OF GOD, BROTHER! FINALLY.
So I see on this blog we like to protect the trolls and let them to continue to destory the blog. Turk you and Steve and others do not get, ignoring trolls and going after me is not going to get this blog back to baseball, I will always be here talking baseball with you, but again I will always have a hardtime ignoring trolls when they bully. I am not going away because I know that I am not the problem and you and Steve think by attacking me the problem will go away and the blog will be restored that is not going to happen turk. So sorry I am not shutting up because I am not the problem and never will be.
Turk you and Steve need to learn the trolls and only the trolls are destorying this blog, if you want it bac Turk stop ignoring the problem and going after me. Go after the trolls and tell them to stay off. Until you do Turk this blog will not be restored.
You and Steve need to wake up and stop bashing people that are not the problem.
also I am not shutting up or leaving, when you say that you just Turk want me to say more and try to learn and talk ball and to get your blog back were it is. To your mouth you are saying het trolls come on this blog post what you want and make it hard for us to talk baseball because the people that are telling us to tell you to leave we love to attack, post Turk like your’s and Steve make me stay and get this blog to baseball and let me learn because it shows that I will never be the one to destory it.
For all other bloggers, you guys need to wake up and realize that ignoring trolls are not going get them off the blog. If you want them instead of going after me who only goes after because I hate the bullying that they do, it could be about anything not just KO, tell the moderator to get the trolls off and I care if my pieces go with them, also for Steve I have learned a lot about baseball, from everyone including KO, but I am not going to shut up and espically have a hardtime when it comes to bullying.
Also again I care crap what KO thinks about what I do, if he threw me off because of it I would not be mad at him and I would still be a fan, I do not go after them because I am a fan of KO, I go after them because I hate bullying, so the record startight thing has nothing to do with why I go after them and I sorry if it sounds like that. I cannot stand Gore and I have defended him, if you would tell moderators to get the trolls off and make them stay off, I will be happy to listen and respond when I feel need be, but saying I ruin blogs by going after trolls is not what going to get this blog back to baseball.
Also I have responded to baseball with baseball, so you show Steve that you only read select posts aka the ones that I go after trolls with and think that is all I do. Not at all, again get the trolls off, ignoring them is not going to bring the blog back Steve never has happened, I do it because I hate bullying has nothing really to do with KO.
What a joy to read this baseball blog. So many of the players, managers and announcers I admired brought to life and memories again in a personal, human context. From Chris Speier to Terry Francona to Vin Scully-wow! Mr. Olbermann is not so much today’s Murrow as he is Dick Schaap or Roger Angell.
He still this generations Murrow and always will be, but he diffentely those people also.
SIGH!!! Oh history; remember “keep it short”…
What an amazing trip. I went to the WBC and a few sprint training games. I love AZ this time of year.
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This also is not about KO or baseball, please moderators have this trolls removed with thier debunked post that has been refuted over and over again. Go to we are igorant about what Occupy is and what the teaparty is blogs and who KO is, you show that KO is this generations Murrow and that you have no idea who he or what Occpy was about.